1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

Listening to the Fran Duffy podcast where they talk about the 2020 Colts defense. Slot CB is extremely important in their defense as they do so much. Kenny Moore led the team with forced turnovers.
They spoke about how many players they have on D and how they're smart, very talented and mostly bigger more physical type players. Ballard did a heck of a job building the D. I got excited thinking we will do that here under Gannon, then realized we don't have a Ballard to pick these players 😓

How the Colt defense was built:

Switched from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in 2018.

Kept Al Woods at NT, signed Sheard DE (29) to 3yr/$25.5M, Autry DE (28) to 3yr/$17.8M, Hunt DT (31) 2yr/; Lewis DE #64-2018, Muhammad DE, Turay DE #58-2018, Stewart DT #144-2017

Drafted Leonard WLB #36, promoted Walker MLB #156-2017, Adams LB #221-2018, Franklin #235-2018

Desir CB (28), SFA, resigned in 2019 3yr/$25M, Kenny Moore NCB, UDFA-2017, Hairston CB #158-2017, Wilson #46-2017,

Geathers SS #109-2015, Hooker FS #15-2017, Mitchell S (29), SFA, Odom S UDFA-2018

2019, took a step back:

Houston DE (30), 2yr/$24M, Stewart DT promoted to starter, Hunt, Sheard demoted

Okerere LB #89-2019

Ya-Sin CB #34-2019 [backup]

2020, defense is set

Buckner DT (26), trade for 1st rd pick, Stallworth DT SFA 

Rhodes CB (30) 1yr/$5M, Carrie CB (30) SFA [backup]

Willis SS #109-2019, Blackmon FS #85-2020 [Hooker injured], Wiilson S (30) SFA [backup]

DL:  Houston - Stewart - Buckner - Autry; Lewis, Muhammad, Stallworth

LB:  Leonard - Walker - Okerere; Franklin

DB:  Rhodes - Willis - Blackmon - Ya-Sin - Moore; Carrie, Odum

 

I don't expect as many changes here in 2021, the Indy 4-3 isn't that different from what we've been running. Might go with more size with backups.

Indy put more emphasis on LB, drafting Leonard and Okerere.

Indy likes longer CBs, look for a lot of turnover in the secondary this offseason.

2 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Howard Eskin just said on his morning show, Russel Wilson only has one, maybe two good years left in his career lol 

 

Yeah maybe if he goes to the Bears. 

I’d be more worried about Zach Wilson in Dallas than Russel Wilson.  
 

The Cowboys are a horrible team.  It would be fantastic if they traded their future for a great qb with a few years left.  Sure, they’d own the division for a few years...and would lose in round 1 every time.  
 

This ensures Dallas would be a no-threat pushover by the time our rebuild is done.  

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Howie already prioritized 2022 picks in the Wentz trade.
Howie and Lurie have talked about wanting more picks.

Expect a trade-down at #6 for a team coming up with a QB.

I’m not sure he prioritized it as much as that was the only way to get a potential 1. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure he prioritized it as much as that was the only way to get a potential 1. 

Be it circumstance or by design, I’m all for stacking up on 2022 picks.

Even if we trade down in round 1...that’s what I want...a 2022 first.  If someone wants #6, it takes their 2021 and 2022 first round pick, minimum.  If they don’t want to give up anything extra in 2021, fine with me.  Just pay up next year.

8 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The guy responsible for this WR corp is still here.

Moorehead?  I don’t think he is the problem and constantly changing the position teacher may well be. I think that Sirianni had a long talk with Moorehead about his teaching methods and the strengths and weaknesses of the various players and came away satisfied.  Next to the S coach (with Gannon and Wilson), Moorehead may have the most difficult position to impress the coaches. Sirianni spent a lot of time as a WR coach as did Patullo so they will both have opinions on how to do the job. 

Yup. Now that there is more GPS data, teams won’t need to worry about 40 times for historical comps. 

6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

To be clear,  Geisinger only gave the shot to relatives (limited to 2) who were in the appropriate group. I think that story is ridiculously overblown. No one got unfair early access. 

And imo it makes sense to give those relatives the shot because geisinger as a health system has to rely on many of those relatives as childcare for its employees. 

 

Also,  the athletic trainers where I work have been directly patient facing this entire time,  whether in ED tents,  at the school with sports in full swing and many covid exposures, or even many of us were deployed again in to the Covid ICUs. In our normal job we all work in the doctors office,  with patients as well before going to our schools.  They definitely should have gotten it in their normal role.  They are health care providers,  abs are considered mid-level providers just like a PA-C is.

I understand and appreciate the child care response but that is not the rule.  I also appreciate how close you need to be to the patient. Just like a first grade teacher with students, who cannot be vaccinated. Food delivery people have to get close, so do grocery store clerks and waiter and cooks are right by our food. I find it interesting that lawyers and paralegals make the list on 1C with contractors but claims adjusters don’t.  Who do you think leave their secure homes and rush to disaster areas to appraise the damage from all those busted water pipes in Texas?  Think there won’t be contact with the homeowners and contractors?  But explain to me how board of directors and spouses and the office staff at huge medical corporations are seeing patients.

50 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah maybe if he goes to the Bears. 

That's a good point.

Which makes me wonder how credible these reports are.  I mean why would Wilson want to go to the bears?  Bad O-line and little to no weapons.  At least in Seattle he has DK and Lockett.  Him complaining about getting hit and sacked alot is partly on him.  He holds the ball and runs around so of course he will take more hits.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Speaking of vaccinations, my wife got her second Moderna shot on Thursday. It kicked her butt. She had fever, chills, headaches yesterday. She’s been in bed since 1 pm. 

She’s the first person I know directly that experienced bad symptoms following the shot. All I had was a sore arm. 

My cousin, diabetic and with some heart issues, just got his second Moderna and his arm was real sore and he has been dead tired for about 36 hours.  

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. Now that there is more GPS data, teams won’t need to worry about 40 times for historical comps. 

Makes zero sense to use 40 times in shorts from a track start, when players play in pads, start from a standing position with CBs threatening to press them, running routes.

I want to know how fast a player gets off the LOS on a clean release v press, how much do they gear down in their cuts, how fast are they running downfield.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Makes zero sense to use 40 times in shorts from a track start, when players play in pads, start from a standing position with CBs threatening to press them, running routes.

I want to know how fast a player gets off the LOS on a clean release v press, how much do they gear down in their cuts, how fast are they running downfield.

Yet you quote them all the time for players you like that Howie adds, including QBs.

If 40 times didn’t matter, professional scouts and coaches wouldn’t be lining up with stopwatches.

Its like people saying the SAT doesn’t matter.  Is it everything?  No.  If it were meaningless, it wouldn’t exist.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If 40 times didn’t matter, professional scouts and coaches wouldn’t be lining up with stopwatches.

Its like people saying the SAT doesn’t matter.  Is it everything?  No.  If it were meaningless, it wouldn’t exist.

I agree I don’t think 40 times are going away. If anything, the nfl should almost turn it into an event. The players and fans both love them. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Before you get excited by drafting success/failure:

"The analysis we performed is purely descriptive — it explains what happened. The next questions pose themselves naturally: Does this mean Jason Licht and his scouts are superior talent evaluators? What about Chris Ballard or Mickey Loomis?

The answer to these questions is probably no.

For example, if we recreated the last chart for 2014-16, Licht’s first three drafts as GM, the Buccaneers rank 29th of 32 teams. Meanwhile, Chris Ballard was evaluating draft prospects for the Chiefs from 2013 through 2016, and they ranked 23rd during these four drafts. Kevin Colbert’s Steelers rank sixth in the chart above but only 24th from 2013 through 2016.

On the other side of the spectrum, John Elway's Broncos rank first from 2011 through 2016 — which explains the Super Bowl title in 2015 — but Denver hasn't had much draft success in recent years. The same is true for Bill Belichick and the Patriots, who ranked second from 2011 through 2016 but have missed on a few prospects in recent years, explaining their roster's recent decay.

Apart from the ups and downs in draft success for GMs, the overall point is that the teams' rankings can be explained entirely by chance. In the first chart, the Colts enjoyed an average percentile of 64. But if drafting were based on nothing else but luck and we could observe four consecutive drafts 10,000 times, the best team would fall into the 64th percentile roughly 25% of the time.

In other words, some team has to have the most success in the draft, and if drafting were entirely based on luck, we have a 25% chance to observe a team as good as the Colts over four years. This is not an implausible event."

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-historical-draft-success-for-all-32-nfl-teams

I'd note this is similar to analyses of mutual fund managers, the brilliant financial mind is mostly a myth.

 

If we believe that valuation then Howie is underperforming coupled with the cap hell the team is currently in and there is no way to assess this other than he has failed doing his job.  Using the Jack Welch approach of grading performers from 1-5, Howie has been a 2 trending downward for several years.  He should have been receiving audit results from Lurie with counseling (Dorsey? Smolensk I?) for at least a year with formal, written performance documentation.  Frankly, how he wasn’t fired is beyond me.  Similar analytics would easily display his failure. Wentz cannot be an excuse, because he failed there.  Managers are judged on the selection and performance of their staffs. The excuses you have used for Howie are the results of his actions. 

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. Now that there is more GPS data, teams won’t need to worry about 40 times for historical comps. 

I agree.  But there is more than that to evaluate, bend, agility, hand use, etc.  I always liked watching the position drills at the combine more than anything else and NFLN shows forties and talks endlessly about QBs. Ugh. Other than Coughlin, during the forty you see coaches huddled, looking at electronic media etc.  But the forty is all we fans have.  Will GPS data be available to the masses?

27 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Makes zero sense to use 40 times in shorts from a track start, when players play in pads, start from a standing position with CBs threatening to press them, running routes.

I want to know how fast a player gets off the LOS on a clean release v press, how much do they gear down in their cuts, how fast are they running downfield.

Entertainment and baseline.

39 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Makes zero sense to use 40 times in shorts from a track start, when players play in pads, start from a standing position with CBs threatening to press them, running routes.

I want to know how fast a player gets off the LOS on a clean release v press, how much do they gear down in their cuts, how fast are they running downfield.

Daniel Jones ran a 4.81 as his best time at the combine in two runs, yet he’s actually far faster.

He hit 21.23 MPH on his 80-yard run against the Eagles; if you run the game film back you’ll see he starts running from his 10-yard line and hits midfield in a lot less than 4.81 seconds — in full equipment.  His next gen 21.23 MPH was faster than any Lamar Jackson run, and only 0.06 seconds slower than Tyreek Hill at 21.29 MPH

The 40 at the combine is antiquated and, although I don’t often agree with Jeremiah, he’s spot on.  The Next Gen stats from game film will be the true measuring stick 

15 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I agree.  But there is more than that to evaluate, bend, agility, hand use, etc.  I always liked watching the position drills at the combine more than anything else and NFLN shows forties and talks endlessly about QBs. Ugh. Other than Coughlin, during the forty you see coaches huddled, looking at electronic media etc.  But the forty is all we fans have.  Will GPS data be available to the masses?

same, does he catch with his hands, what about lateral agility, are the hips flipping fluidly, how fast is he accelerating out of those breaks, does he display violent hands, where are his eyes, etc.. these were always way more entertaining for me than the 40, I stopped watching a few years back because I got sick of the 40 yard dash show (and the analysts).

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

If we believe that valuation then Howie is underperforming coupled with the cap hell the team is currently in and there is no way to assess this other than he has failed doing his job.  Using the Jack Welch approach of grading performers from 1-5, Howie has been a 2 trending downward for several years.  He should have been receiving audit results from Lurie with counseling (Dorsey? Smolensk I?) for at least a year with formal, written performance documentation.  Frankly, how he wasn’t fired is beyond me.  Similar analytics would easily display his failure. Wentz cannot be an excuse, because he failed there.  Managers are judged on the selection and performance of their staffs. The excuses you have used for Howie are the results of his actions. 

My suspicion is everything Howie did was vetted by Lurie, Howie probably laid out options with risk assessment, and Lurie approved the strategy choices.

Lurie had no problem firing Banner, his childhood friend, so I don't think he'd have any problem firing or kicking Howie upstairs if he thought the collapse was Howie's fault.

Rather, they gambled on a "win now" strategy, had some bad decisions but also a lot of bad luck (imagine 2018 with a healthy Wallace and Jerrigan, for example).

The rebuild couldn't start until after 2019, even if they had wanted to, both the fans and players would have rebelled, you win a SB then blow the team up? They also didn't expect the injury plague to continue for three seasons.

After 2019 it didn't matter, because the real problem was Schwartz's defense was stale, Doug was lost without Reich, and Wentz was never the same after the 2017 injury took away some of his mobility (shades of McNabb after 2005). The collapse of the OL accelerated things, which was a good thing in the long run, a healthy OL in 2020 and they possibly win the division and pick #19.

Indy scored 361 points in 2019 with Brisset at QB, Hilton missing 6 games, Mack (#143), Hines (#104), Pascal (UDFA), Rogers (UDFA), M Johnson (Eagles PS), Doyle (UDFA) and Ebron. Scheme over talent. Eagles scored 367, 385, and 334 the last three seasons with a lot more talent (well, maybe not 2020 with the OL implosion).

Hurts is more talented than Brisset, so let's see what Sirianni can do with some more weapons around him. Can't be worse than Doug.

I don't think the rebuild will take more than two more seasons, I expect them to be competitive by 2023, Howie has rebuilt this team twice (after 2011 and after 2015).

I’m curious how in depth the GPS tracking goes in terms of measuring speed. Top speed can be deceiving. It’s about maintaining a high level of speed or getting to that top speed quickly. 

Vertical slot, you say? Music to my ears. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

Vertical slot, you say? Music to my ears. 

love this kid, mid late round steal? Im sure someone will grab him earlier than expected though

The one lesson to be learned from Wentz, if you're gonna draft a QB who likes to scramble, draft one with a RB body, not a TE body.

That is, if you're gonna expose your QB to a lot of hits, make sure he can handle the punishment.

Top active QBs in career yards (good proxy for durability):

immobile: Brees, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben (6'5 240), Stafford, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Schaub, Winston, Goff

Mobile: Rodgers (6'2 225), Smith (6'4 213), Fitzpatrick (6'2 223), Wilson (5'11 215), Newton (6'5 245), Tannehill (6'4 207), Dak (6'2 238), Wentz (6'5 237), Watson (6'2 220), Mahomes (6'3 230).

Just speculation, but taller running QBs, like taller RBs, have trouble getting low and take worse hits than more compact QBs.

With the new rules, QBs in the pocket don't take as much punishment. But if you scramble and run a hundred plus times a year, watch out.

Something to think about with Lawrence.

I’m liking Tommy Tremble , best blocking TE in the draft ,and he tries to hurt you when blocking  , athletic and can run, Irish did not utilize him much in passing game    much  , but the pass catching ability is there 

3rd rd pick I’m guessing