19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m curious how in depth the GPS tracking goes in terms of measuring speed. Top speed can be deceiving. It’s about maintaining a high level of speed or getting to that top speed quickly. 

They can calculate all of the above as well as 

• speed per type of route
• speed by coverage
• speed vs. press/off
• speed by surface (turf vs. grass)

GPS tracking helps teams like us that invest in analytics over teams that don't

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I understand and appreciate the child care response but that is not the rule.  I also appreciate how close you need to be to the patient. Just like a first grade teacher with students, who cannot be vaccinated. Food delivery people have to get close, so do grocery store clerks and waiter and cooks are right by our food. I find it interesting that lawyers and paralegals make the list on 1C with contractors but claims adjusters don’t.  Who do you think leave their secure homes and rush to disaster areas to appraise the damage from all those busted water pipes in Texas?  Think there won’t be contact with the homeowners and contractors?  But explain to me how board of directors and spouses and the office staff at huge medical corporations are seeing patients.

Teachers are grocery clerks aren't remotely close to the same risk as Healthcare professionals. That's why school nurses can get it while teachers can't yet. 

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Vertical slot, you say? Music to my ears. 

Honestly reminds me a lot of TY Hilton, I think he's going to go a bit higher than the 4th round I've seen him projected at.  FWIW, I loved TY coming out of college and Siri coming from Indy might like the versatility this kid offers.  Plays a lot bigger than his size.

25 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m curious how in depth the GPS tracking goes in terms of measuring speed. Top speed can be deceiving. It’s about maintaining a high level of speed or getting to that top speed quickly. 

Yeah.  They have to be able to get that info.  Otherwise they'll think Giants QB might be a fast as Tyreke Hill .

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Vertical slot, you say? Music to my ears. 

Yeah.  I posted highlights a few weeks back.  He's interesting.  A poor man's Kadarius Toney. Not quiiite as elusive but still very elusive.  Maybe faster, though both are fast. Pretty similar players.  Seems Darden can be had much later. 

If I went small and fast at WO , give me Atwell , big fan of Schwartz too

18 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The one lesson to be learned from Wentz, if you're gonna draft a QB who likes to scramble, draft one with a RB body, not a TE body.

That is, if you're gonna expose your QB to a lot of hits, make sure he can handle the punishment.

Top active QBs in career yards (good proxy for durability):

immobile: Brees, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben (6'5 240), Stafford, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Schaub, Winston, Goff

Mobile: Rodgers (6'2 225), Smith (6'4 213), Fitzpatrick (6'2 223), Wilson (5'11 215), Newton (6'5 245), Tannehill (6'4 207), Dak (6'2 238), Wentz (6'5 237), Watson (6'2 220), Mahomes (6'3 230).

Just speculation, but taller running QBs, like taller RBs, have trouble getting low and take worse hits than more compact QBs.

With the new rules, QBs in the pocket don't take as much punishment. But if you scramble and run a hundred plus times a year, watch out.

Something to think about with Lawrence.

A 'rb' body wasn't going to stop those injuries and punishment.  Wentz really didn't look to tuck and run the ball and all of his injuries were incidental.  His play style was much like a young Big Ben (who you list as immobile now only because he's a senior citizen, but his first 10 years in the league he was quite the artist with his legs behind the LOS) or Rodgers.  

Lawrence, well I see a slightly better Mariota in him as a prospect.  

If a play  breaks down , and there isn’t a huge running lane  , I prefer the QB throws it away , his career will last longer.

Rashod Bateman

 

@R_bateman2

 

Per Source: Bateman ran a 4.37 hand time and a 4.39 laser at the Exos combine. *Rashod Bateman is not slow

47 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The one lesson to be learned from Wentz, if you're gonna draft a QB who likes to scramble, draft one with a RB body, not a TE body.

That is, if you're gonna expose your QB to a lot of hits, make sure he can handle the punishment.

Top active QBs in career yards (good proxy for durability):

immobile: Brees, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben (6'5 240), Stafford, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Schaub, Winston, Goff

Mobile: Rodgers (6'2 225), Smith (6'4 213), Fitzpatrick (6'2 223), Wilson (5'11 215), Newton (6'5 245), Tannehill (6'4 207), Dak (6'2 238), Wentz (6'5 237), Watson (6'2 220), Mahomes (6'3 230).

Just speculation, but taller running QBs, like taller RBs, have trouble getting low and take worse hits than more compact QBs.

With the new rules, QBs in the pocket don't take as much punishment. But if you scramble and run a hundred plus times a year, watch out.

Something to think about with Lawrence.

Remove Wentz from Mobile please, that ship has sailed!

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

If a play  breaks down , and there isn’t a huge running lane  , I prefer the QB throws it away , his career will last longer.

Agreed... and not the Brett Favre type of throwing it away 😉. I prefer the type where some random coach/trainer on the sideline makes a highlight catch.

 

22 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

A 'rb' body wasn't going to stop those injuries and punishment.  Wentz really didn't look to tuck and run the ball and all of his injuries were incidental.  His play style was much like a young Big Ben (who you list as immobile now only because he's a senior citizen, but his first 10 years in the league he was quite the artist with his legs behind the LOS) or Rodgers.  

Lawrence, well I see a slightly better Mariota in him as a prospect.  

Ben rushed 56 times as a rookie, that was his career high. He extends a lot of plays, but mostly in the pocket.

Wentz has run 64 times (13 games), 62 and 52 (12 games). He also extends plays by running outside the pocket (where refs are more lenient about hits).

Punishment takes its toll, not just injuries, but just dings and fatigue, both in games and through a season.

Check out the other three tall mobile QBs, also have had injury prone careers.

I think one issue with mobile QBs is they get a false sense of security in college, players are bigger and faster in the NFL.

 

Bateman is a 1st rounder, who could go top 15. If we trade down, I could see us taking him.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Vertical slot, you say? Music to my ears. 

We have Greg Ward we’re fine there 

I’m just excited that we’re getting a very good player at 6. I don’t think we can screw it up if we stay put. 

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I’m just excited that we’re getting a very good player at 6. I don’t think we can screw it up if we stay put. 

Oh you sweet, innocent child 

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Ben rushed 56 times as a rookie, that was his career high. He extends a lot of plays, but mostly in the pocket.

Wentz has run 64 times (13 games), 62 and 52 (12 games). He also extends plays by running outside the pocket (where refs are more lenient about hits).

Punishment takes its toll, not just injuries, but just dings and fatigue, both in games and through a season.

Check out the other three tall mobile QBs, also have had injury prone careers.

I think one issue with mobile QBs is they get a false sense of security in college, players are bigger and faster in the NFL.

 

I get what you're saying, but I think you're painting the brush quite broadly here.  Plenty of different styles and schemes here but you have Rodgers, Stafford, young Smith, Tanny and a few others who are/were creative and liked to extend plays.  Throw Ben and Wentz somewhere in the middle of near reckless abandon.  Then you have Newton and Jackson being RB's who like to throw the ball occasionally.  

On this topic though, which I think should be mentioned.  I'm hoping to see something we haven't seen since Reid with Siri being here.  WR's who actually know what a scramble drill is.  Outside of Celek, Ertz and Fulgham, I feel like every WR/TE we've had is just hell bent on finishing their route no matter what.  Then standing there confused when they run out of field.

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I’m just excited that we’re getting a very good player at 6. I don’t think we can screw it up if we stay put. 

I'm not excited at all, I'm not seeing a huge divide between just about everyone 'projected' in the first 3 rounds of this draft.  I'd rather trade back into the low teens and grab Parsons or Horn and hopefully pick up an extra 2nd and 3rd along the way.

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Oh you sweet, innocent child 

Howie's had two high picks, Lane #4, Cox traded up to #12, Barnett was the third highest #14.

I'm not worried.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

My suspicion is everything Howie did was vetted by Lurie, Howie probably laid out options with risk assessment, and Lurie approved the strategy choices.

Lurie had no problem firing Banner, his childhood friend, so I don't think he'd have any problem firing or kicking Howie upstairs if he thought the collapse was Howie's fault.

Rather, they gambled on a "win now" strategy, had some bad decisions but also a lot of bad luck (imagine 2018 with a healthy Wallace and Jerrigan, for example).

The rebuild couldn't start until after 2019, even if they had wanted to, both the fans and players would have rebelled, you win a SB then blow the team up? They also didn't expect the injury plague to continue for three seasons.

After 2019 it didn't matter, because the real problem was Schwartz's defense was stale, Doug was lost without Reich, and Wentz was never the same after the 2017 injury took away some of his mobility (shades of McNabb after 2005). The collapse of the OL accelerated things, which was a good thing in the long run, a healthy OL in 2020 and they possibly win the division and pick #19.

Indy scored 361 points in 2019 with Brisset at QB, Hilton missing 6 games, Mack (#143), Hines (#104), Pascal (UDFA), Rogers (UDFA), M Johnson (Eagles PS), Doyle (UDFA) and Ebron. Scheme over talent. Eagles scored 367, 385, and 334 the last three seasons with a lot more talent (well, maybe not 2020 with the OL implosion).

Hurts is more talented than Brisset, so let's see what Sirianni can do with some more weapons around him. Can't be worse than Doug.

I don't think the rebuild will take more than two more seasons, I expect them to be competitive by 2023, Howie has rebuilt this team twice (after 2011 and after 2015).

I think it is presumptuous to say that Hurts is more talented than Brisset.  Really liked him coming into the NFL.

That said, while I believe that the Eagles were looking at an open window coming off the Super Bowl win and that accounted for the retention of certain older players, that isn’t the same as the misses in drafting.  That is the ranking analytics to which I was responding.  He has tried all kinds of approaches and is bad at them. He shines at lower rounds and UDFAs.  Why? Because those are the picks where the scouts make calls, just like the PS poaches. So if we can trust the scouts on lower level picks, why not on higher level picks?  That disjointed approach has been a failure.  That is why I say fire Howie but keep the scouts.  

Blaming the boss never works.  He owed it to Lurie to speak up.  I am not sure he is capable of that.  When I call him Mr. Consensus, it isn’t a compliment. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I’m curious how in depth the GPS tracking goes in terms of measuring speed. Top speed can be deceiving. It’s about maintaining a high level of speed or getting to that top speed quickly. 

That is why the breaks are more important than the overall forty in that data.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

The one lesson to be learned from Wentz, if you're gonna draft a QB who likes to scramble, draft one with a RB body, not a TE body.

That is, if you're gonna expose your QB to a lot of hits, make sure he can handle the punishment.

Top active QBs in career yards (good proxy for durability):

immobile: Brees, Brady, Rivers, Big Ben (6'5 240), Stafford, Flacco, Dalton, Cousins, Carr, Schaub, Winston, Goff

Mobile: Rodgers (6'2 225), Smith (6'4 213), Fitzpatrick (6'2 223), Wilson (5'11 215), Newton (6'5 245), Tannehill (6'4 207), Dak (6'2 238), Wentz (6'5 237), Watson (6'2 220), Mahomes (6'3 230).

Just speculation, but taller running QBs, like taller RBs, have trouble getting low and take worse hits than more compact QBs.

With the new rules, QBs in the pocket don't take as much punishment. But if you scramble and run a hundred plus times a year, watch out.

Something to think about with Lawrence.

You blame a lot on Carson’s knee injury.  I wonder if a bigger part of it was he believed his press clippings, the contract extension meant he had arrived and it sounds like he became unmanageable.  I have been talking about the lack of improvement in stance resulting in floaters and his fumbling for several years now.  Fixable.  

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie's had two high picks, Lane #4, Cox traded up to #12, Barnett was the third highest #14.

I'm not worried.

Wow, Wentz got scrubbed from the record fast.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

They can calculate all of the above as well as 

• speed per type of route
• speed by coverage
• speed vs. press/off
• speed by surface (turf vs. grass)

GPS tracking helps teams like us that invest in analytics over teams that don't

So why haven’t the Eagles embraced virtual technology?