3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

NFL draft model.  Draft impact players early, developmental players later.

Eagles draft model.  Draft developmental players early and later.

Yep. It’s clear Howie loves his Boom or Bust players. It’s definitely been more busy than boom unfortunately 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yup. I tend to take Richie Grant or Moeheig in round 2.

For a sleeper type Saftey check out Reed Blankenship from Middle Tennessee state. 
 

Nice size at 6’1 210lbs. Plays hard at all times. Has nice production his first three year but had a down year last season. 
 

Finshed with 20 PDs 8ints. Good tackler needs to work on double moves. 

Reed Blankenship is my guy at safety position , ball skills , 4.45 speed, tackling machine .

Cisco is another one I like, on the mend from acl 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The more I think about it, the more it irks me that Wentz was able to just dictate his way out of town. Not only did he get his wish in getting traded, he got to pick exactly where he wanted to go. 
 

Lowie really has lost control. 

I don’t see it that way.  It’s been widely reported that the Bears never made an offer for Wentz, so essentially Howie’s choices were get the best deal he could from IND or tell Wentz there is no market for him and bring him back to training camp.  The only way this happens is a mutual parting of ways.  
 

In Stafford’s case he was tired of losing and wanted no part of another rebuild so he requested a trade, and the organization granted his wishes.  In Goff’s case the head coach reached a point where he couldn’t go any further with him, so the organization did anything to get rid of him.  In Deshaun Watson’s case he wants out, the organization wants to keep him — so he remains Texans property (at least for now).  We’re just at the start of the Russell Wilson drama, but if the Seahawks want him there he will play there.

The organization almost always holds the cards in the NFL, even in 2021.  If Howie and Lurie were totally committed to Wentz, he’d still be an Eagle.

 

They nicknamed him Smooth lol

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

OK, I know the Kyle Pitts conversation is split 50/50 and we've discussed what he is...TE?  Mike Evans?  I just watched Pat Freiermuth highlights and then Kyle Pitts highlights.  After that, IMO, it's clear as day that Pitts is Mike Evans, Freiermuth is Dallas Goedert.  Pitts is 100% the guy I want at #6.  

Watch Freiermuth first.  He's an excellent tight end prospect but will go much higher than I prefer the Eagles taking TE2.  He's physical and impressive. 

 

Now watch Pitts.  He's a freak.  A weapon.  A mismatch nightmare.  Coaches are going to say, make sure you know who has Pitts on every play.

There are so many impressive plays but take notice of plays at 30 seconds, 1:22, 3 play sequence starting at 2:22 (against Tyson Campbell, a fringe 1st round CB), the hands catch on the very next play, then the catch, stiff arm and speed, 5:16 and 6:06 (the route, catch and a heckuva throw).

 

 

TBF, Frieremuth is a prototypical TE, Pitts is not.  Pitts keeps getting compared to Vernon Davis who was injured quite a bit early on and had his head up his ass, he admits that. 2009-2016 his numbers are pretty good, but if Pitts stays healthy and has a good attitude he’ll be even better, way better. 
 Pitts is 70-80 recs, 1000-1200 yds 10-12 tds, he has the highest floor, there isn’t anyone that has concerns about his production in the NFL.

One of my favorite defensive prospects, right there with Perkins my top edge guy ,Turner another

 

11 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Reed Blankenship is my guy at safety position , ball skills , 4.45 speed, tackling machine .

Cisco is another one I like, on the mend from acl 

I like Cisco.  I like Holland converting to FS, the kid from Oregon. How do you like Grant from UCF?  I think Washington from TCU is way overrated.  I just don’t see a 5’8” 179 lb S making it in the NFL.  He’s going to get trucked a lot.

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I like Cisco.  I like Holland converting to FS, the kid from Oregon. How do you like Grant from UCF?  I think Washington from TCU is way overrated.  I just don’t see a 5’8” 179 lb S making it in the NFL.  He’s going to get trucked a lot.

Unless he plays like the Honey Badger, yes I was here back then when he got drafted and a lot of us wanted him, especially since he fell to the 3rd.  He’s usually at the right place at the right time even with all his injuries. I’m not sure if Washington has those skills though. 

35 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Yeah. Time to move on though. To bigger and better 

It’s not a matter of moving on, it’s a matter of having a dysfunctional franchise which results in coaches and players not buying in. 

So Kempski tracks the drops. Both Ward and Fulgham had around 5% drop rates, Scott had zero.  He just doesn’t drop balls in the receiving area.  People here have called them JAGs.  Not in the receiving hands area, for sure.

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I like Cisco.  I like Holland converting to FS, the kid from Oregon. How do you like Grant from UCF?  I think Washington from TCU is way overrated.  I just don’t see a 5’8” 179 lb S making it in the NFL.  He’s going to get trucked a lot.

Holland played well wherever they played him 

Grant is a nice player just not my favorite Db , I do like Grants teammate at CB, might be my 2nd fav CB , Gowan , that kid is a player and extremely underrated 

Just now, Original Sin said:

Holland played well wherever they played him 

Grant is a nice player just not my favorite Db , I do like Grants teammate at CB, might be my 2nd fav CB , Gowan , that kid is a player and extremely underrated 

I really like Gowan.  Size fits what Gannon seems to like.  

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I like Cisco.  I like Holland converting to FS, the kid from Oregon. How do you like Grant from UCF?  I think Washington from TCU is way overrated.  I just don’t see a 5’8” 179 lb S making it in the NFL.  He’s going to get trucked a lot.

Blankenship is a small school kid who had very productive 3 years and a down year last season. High motor safety good tackler had 18  passes defended. He reminds me of Jeremy Chinn who Howie passed on last season for Hurts. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Every Sunday we see rookies contributing, just never for the Eagles.

Cherry picking. Top 20 picks generally start by the second half of their rookie year, after that, it's situational.

A few guys are surprises, we saw that with Kelce. Some guys start due to injury.

But the vast majority of draft picks are depth and STs as rookies.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Cherry picking. Top 20 picks generally start by the second half of their rookie year, after that, it's situational.

A few guys are surprises, we saw that with Kelce. Some guys start due to injury.

But the vast majority of draft picks are depth and STs as rookies.

yeah and we don't even get that!

Small school Mike Evans , put 5 more pounds on him and a 13 jersey and you got Evans , big big fan of Adams.

 

Why Howie Roseman’s misses — Wentz, Jeffery, JJAW — aren’t big misses | Marcus Hayes

There was no way of knowing in mid-2019 that Wentz would become so mentally fragile that he would regress historically at the hint of challenge from Jalen Hurts.
It’s easy to pick on Howie Roseman. I’ve done it. Fired him after the 2016 season. Then he won a Super Bowl. Turns out, my instincts were right. Roseman went on a Vegas-style hot streak in 2017. He rolled 7s on receiver Alshon Jeffery, defensive end Chris Long, running backs LeGarrette Blount, Jay Ajayi, and Corey Clement, and, of course, Nick Foles.

Roseman also wasted a second-round draft pick on Sidney Jones that year. This was more typical of his acumen; in fact, it was the fifth-worst move since his return from exile in 2016. Below are the other four.

Spoiler: They do not include Carson Wentz, Alshon Jeffery, Malik Jackson, or, believe it or not, JJ Arcega-Whiteside. To them, then, first.
Wentz

When Wentz agreed to a four-year, $128 million contract extension in June of 2019, he was one year removed from an MVP run and was entering his fourth year. He had an injury history, but Roseman considered him worth that risk. He was. Wentz hasn’t missed a start due to injury since he signed the contract. Further, by signing Wentz before Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes, and DeShaun Watson signed their second contracts, Roseman got a bargain (assuming Prescott signs for big money).

There was no way of knowing in June of 2019 that, by the fall of 2020, Wentz would become so mentally fragile that he would regress historically at the hint of challenge from rookie Jalen Hurts. Similarly, drafting Hurts was not a mistake. He was a low-budget backup who would have posed no threat to any starter with a backbone. The Eagles drafted Kevin Kolb 36th overall in 2007, when Donovan McNabb was 30. McNabb went to the Pro Bowl two years later.
Jeffery

A few eyebrows raised when Roseman gave a big, inconsistent, 27-year-old wideout a four-year, $52 million extension in December of 2017, even though by then he’d outperformed his one-year, $9.5 million show-me deal. Those eyebrows lowered when Jeffery caught three touchdown passes in that year’s playoffs, including the defining catch of Super Bowl LII, all while playing with a torn rotator cuff. Jeffery was cast as Wentz’s long-term target of preference.

Jeffery earned his money again in 2018, despite dropping a key pass late in a second-round playoff loss in New Orleans. Then, suddenly, Jeffery got old. In the past two seasons injuries limited Jeffery to 49 catches, five touchdowns, and just 12 starts. He cost more than $21 million against the salary cap in those two seasons, and assuredly will be released soon. But, in the year of his extension and the next, he justified the deal.

Malik Jackson

Roseman signed Jackson to a three-year, $30 million free-agent deal in 2019, when Jackson was 29. He hadn’t missed a game in six years, figured to pair nicely with fellow defensive tackle Fletcher Cox, and his leadership and versatility would help replace Long, who retired. But Jackson hurt his foot in his first game, which cost him the rest of 2019 and diminished him in 2020. It happens.

JJAW

Roseman underestimated the value of DK Metcalf in the 2019 draft, when he picked Arcega-Whiteside 57th overall, seven picks before Metcalf — a physical specimen whom several teams considered a risk after a gruesome neck injury suffered in college in October of 2018 threatened his career. At least six other teams, to differing degrees, made the same misjudgment. Because six other teams also selected inferior receivers before the Seahawks took Metcalf (a seventh, the Titans, drafted A.J. Brown 51st, and he’s been almost as good as Metcalf). Now, to the other side of the ledger: The inarguable mistakes.

DeSean Jackson

Old speed receiver with an injury history wastes millions and occupies a roster spot? Completely predictable. Roseman traded a sixth-round pick for Jackson in March of 2019, then gave him a three-year, $27 million contract extension, moves generally applauded — applauded in error. Jackson was still fast, but he was 32, and he had missed 14 games the four previous seasons, or 22 percent. He missed 24 games in two seasons as an Eagle, or 75 percent. He was fully healthy for just four games. Roseman cut Jackson two weeks ago, but he cost the Birds more than $17 million — or, about $750,000 per catch.

There’s more.

Jackson’s presence kept the Eagles from considering March 2020 trades for Stefon Diggs, whom the Vikings shipped to the Bills, and then DeAndre Hopkins, whom the Texans shipped to the Cardinals. Diggs cost the Bills a 2020 first-round pick (as well as lesser assets); the Eagles used their first-round pick on raw speedster Jalen Reagor. Hopkins cost the Texans a 2020 second-round pick (as well as lesser assets); the Eagles notoriously used theirs on Hurts, whose mere presence apparently short-circuited the football section of Wentz’s brain. Hopkins and Diggs went to the Pro Bowl. So did one of Roseman’s other mistakes.

Justin Jefferson

As much as missing on Metcalf will haunt Roseman (more on that later), picking Reagor at No. 21 over Justin Jefferson at No. 22 might be Roseman’s last Waterloo. Jefferson caught 111 passes for 1,540 yards and 18 touchdowns at LSU in 2019; Reagor went 43-611-5 at TCU. But Reagor ran the 40-yard dash two-tenths of a second faster than Jefferson, and Jefferson moved to the slot as a senior, so the Eagles went all "Mike Mamula” and chose the workout over the work.

The Vikings used the pick they got from Buffalo to draft Jefferson, whose 1,400 receiving yards set a rookie record. He also caught 88 passes, which would have tied the Eagles’ single-season record for catches by a wide receiver. Reagor finished with 31 catches for 396 yards and one touchdown.

Jalen Mills

This is not meant to criticize Jalen Mills. The "Green Goblin” was, at his best, a mediocre, seventh-round cornerback who overachieved, both in football and in follicles, for his first four seasons. Then, in 2020, Roseman used him to replace Malcolm Jenkins, the second-best safety in Eagles history, behind Hall of Famer Brian Dawkins. Somehow, Roseman didn’t anticipate the huge drop-off from Jenkins to Mills in physical ability, football genius, and leadership.

This isn’t to say that the Eagles should have retained Jenkins. In 2020, as a high-mileage 32-year-old who has now played almost every snap for seven consecutive seasons, Jenkins in New Orleans wasn’t the Jenkins of 2014 through 2019 in Philadelphia. Still, the Eagles needed something much better than Mills. They needed something like Jeremy Chinn, a Jenkins-like safety/linebacker whom the Panthers picked 64th — 11 slots after Hurts.

Hmm.

Sidney Jones

It’s too early to tell whether Reagor or first-round left tackle Andre Dillard were bad picks. To be fair, the Eagles got four seasons, 19 1/2 sacks, and the fumble recovery that clinched Super Bowl LII out of 2017 first-rounder Derek Barnett, taken 14th overall, for just $12.8 million. Wentz, drafted No. 2 overall in 2016, gave them a Rookie of the Year and MVP candidate. But drafting Sidney Jones in the second round of the 2017 draft was a huge mistake.

Roseman used the 43rd overall pick to stash Jones, a cornerback projected as a top-15 pick who’d injured himself preparing for the draft and was not expected to play in 2017. As it turned out, the injury cost Jones all but one game of the 2017 regular season. The Eagles released him out of training camp last summer. He has now started 14 games between Philadelphia and Jacksonville, usually because there were no other options.

Steelers receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster went 19 picks later. Offensive tackles Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton, taken 20 and 21 picks later, have started every game the past three seasons for the Bills and Panthers, respectively.

The Eagles, meanwhile, have no offensive line depth.

This always has been Roseman’s greatest sin.

33 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

TBF, Frieremuth is a prototypical TE, Pitts is not.  Pitts keeps getting compared to Vernon Davis who was injured quite a bit early on and had his head up his ass, he admits that. 2009-2016 his numbers are pretty good, but if Pitts stays healthy and has a good attitude he’ll be even better, way better. 
 Pitts is 70-80 recs, 1000-1200 yds 10-12 tds, he has the highest floor, there isn’t anyone that has concerns about his production in the NFL.

I get that, I just wanted to show back-to-back how different the players are.  It's amazing how hard it is to find highlights from just 15 years ago.  Here's Vernon Davis at UM.  Even that comparison isn't fair.  Davis's combine is what put him over the top.  His 40 was crazy.

Pitts 6-6 240.  Lean, huge wingspan, strider.

Davis 6-3 250.  More physical with speed.

Watch these 3 TD's.  That isn't 4.38 speed he's showing in pads.  Much like yesterdays discussion of the 40 being obsolete in 5 years.  Davis is a prime example of why.

Pitts as an athlete is in another class.  Now watch the Mike Evans highlights.  That's more his style of play but he has the ability to line up at TE.

 

 

10 minutes ago, pangbun said:

Why Howie Roseman’s misses — Wentz, Jeffery, JJAW — aren’t big misses | Marcus Hayes

The Eagles, meanwhile, have no offensive line depth.

This always has been Roseman’s greatest sin.

Hmm, before the injuries, they went into 2020 with Dillard - Seumalo - Kelce - Brooks - Lane, Mailata, Driscoll, Pryor, Herbig, with Juriga, Toth and Opeta projected to the PS.

I mean how much more depth can you carry?

55 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

 

They nicknamed him Smooth lol

Mt grandson just got a scholarship offer from Middle Tennessee State.

47 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Small school Mike Evans , put 5 more pounds on him and a 13 jersey and you got Evans , big big fan of Adams.

 

I only watched a little bit of him, namely his game vs Kansas State. He’s obviously a bully, but I didn’t see much separation skills even against some meh corners. I saw a tweet that he’s been killing it in testing drills. I was shocked to see him break into the high 4.4s. He reminds me of Seth Williams. 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Holland played well wherever they played him 

Grant is a nice player just not my favorite Db , I do like Grants teammate at CB, might be my 2nd fav CB , Gowan , that kid is a player and extremely underrated 

You like Gowan more than the other UCF corner Robinson?

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I only watched a little bit of him, namely his game vs Kansas State. He’s obviously a bully, but I didn’t see much separation skills even against some meh corners. I saw a tweet that he’s been killing it in testing drills. I was shocked to see him break into the high 4.4s. He reminds me of Seth Williams. 

Honestly Evans doesn’t separate often , he out muscles, out jumps 

QBs let him make plays

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t see it that way.  It’s been widely reported that the Bears never made an offer for Wentz, so essentially Howie’s choices were get the best deal he could from IND or tell Wentz there is no market for him and bring him back to training camp.  The only way this happens is a mutual parting of ways.  
 

In Stafford’s case he was tired of losing and wanted no part of another rebuild so he requested a trade, and the organization granted his wishes.  In Goff’s case the head coach reached a point where he couldn’t go any further with him, so the organization did anything to get rid of him.  In Deshaun Watson’s case he wants out, the organization wants to keep him — so he remains Texans property (at least for now).  We’re just at the start of the Russell Wilson drama, but if the Seahawks want him there he will play there.

The organization almost always holds the cards in the NFL, even in 2021.  If Howie and Lurie were totally committed to Wentz, he’d still be an Eagle.

Watson's case is going to be interesting. Could be the start of QBs trying to take power