Dak seriously over values himself

1 minute ago, greend said:

Dak seriously over values himself

He was putting up ridiculous numbers last year before he got hurt. I'm glad we aren't in this position (not that our current position is better either), but I think Dak absolutely should be asking for top 5 money. This is probably the only time in his career that he'd have the huge stats to back it up, and depending on where he ends up, may never put up similar numbers again. Shoot for the moon, I'd say. 

15 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

i can hear my brain cells committing suicide reading the slop going back and forth...stfu

You could tell us more about how you want the Colts to win and Eagles to lose. 

12 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I hope they do it. Do I think Dak is a good QB? Sure with all the talent around him. Do I think he is Mahomes level? No way. You pay Dak that kind of money and the Cowboys wont have the luxury to keep some of the weapons and oline that make Dak good. The positive for the girls is that they draft recs well. But I hope they cave and give in to close to his demands. DO IT JERRY

I’ve been of the opinion for a while that dak’s agent is playing this out the exact same way as Kirk cousins. Or if he plays under the franchise tag for two years all of that money is basically guaranteed and it’s going to be around 70 million in guaranteed money. When he gets to free agency in 2022, I am guessing he is going to get more guaranteed money then what Kirk cousins got when he hit free agency especially with the cap expected to increase and be closer to normal. There is a chance that Dak Prescott playing on two years of the franchise tag and then in free agency makes more guaranteed money than what the Cowboys were going to offer him in a four or five year contract

that’s said with Wilson having the issues he does with the Seahawks, the Cowboys could just pivot to trying to make a move to acquire Russell Wilson. there’s also rumors Washington would go all in for Dak and rumors Dak would go there if they paid him what he wanted. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He was putting up ridiculous numbers last year before he got hurt. I'm glad we aren't in this position (not that our current position is better either), but I think Dak absolutely should be asking for top 5 money. This is probably the only time in his career that he'd have the huge stats to back it up, and depending on where he ends up, may never put up similar numbers again. Shoot for the moon, I'd say. 

This.

He's not worth Mahomes' money by any means. But it's understandable that he wants to maximize his value now. If the Cowboys don't pay him, someone else will. 

Look at Dak’s numbers. He’s no Mahommes but he’s been very good. Dallas should pay him. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He was putting up ridiculous numbers last year before he got hurt. I'm glad we aren't in this position (not that our current position is better either), but I think Dak absolutely should be asking for top 5 money. This is probably the only time in his career that he'd have the huge stats to back it up, and depending on where he ends up, may never put up similar numbers again. Shoot for the moon, I'd say. 

His agent is playing this out just like Kirk cousins. The Cowboys I believe offered him something like 100 million in guaranteed contract for a four or five year contract. In two years under the franchise tag he’s going to be close to 70 million even with his injury. That means if he reaches free agency in 2022 and stays healthy when the cap should be fine again, he could easily dwarf that 100 million guaranteed money the Cowboys were offering him. If Kirk cousins got $84 million in free agency a couple years ago and then got another contract from Minnesota then Dak should go into free agency in 2022 (if he stays healthy) and exceed the $100 mil mark in guaranteed money. Let’s say he gets 100 million in guaranteed money for 3 years. That means he would have 170 mil in guaranteed money for 5 total years. More than what the cowboys were offering him in a 4-5 year deal 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

His agent is playing this out just like Kirk cousins. The Cowboys I believe offered him something like 100 million in guaranteed contract for a four or five year contract. In two years under the franchise tag he’s going to be close to 70 million even with his injury. That means if he reaches free agency in 2022 and stays healthy when the cap should be fine again, he could easily dwarf that 100 million guaranteed money the Cowboys were offering him. If Kirk cousins got $84 million in free agency a couple years ago and then got another contract from Minnesota then Dak should go into free agency in 2022 (if he stays healthy) and exceed the $100 mil mark in guaranteed money. Let’s say he gets 100 million in guaranteed money for 3 years. That means he would have 170 mil in guaranteed money for 5 total years. More than what the cowboys were offering him in a 4-5 year deal 

Yup, he's playing the tag game and maximizing his potential earnings. I do wonder if that injury last year changes his mind and makes him more willing to do something long term.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup, he's playing the tag game and maximizing his potential earnings. I do wonder if that injury last year changes his mind and makes him more willing to do something long term.

I think that was the only thing that could’ve put a wrench in the whole process.

i wonder if Dallas believes the Seahawks would actually trade Wilson. They could franchise Dak until they work a deal out with seattle then either include him in the trade or just rescind the tag to clear the cap space and Dak could head to FA a year earlier then expected. I tend to believe the cowboys likely wouldn’t want Dak walking away for nothing. I get not allowed to trade a player on the franchise tag with the intent of trading him. Feels like there’s ways around that cause we’ve seen players get dealt on the tag. Also granted Dak would have to sign the tag and willing to go there otherwise why sign the franchise tag gives him leverage of where he wants to go if it comes to that

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

This is why DAL underachieves every season; they have a culture where their top players are in it for their bank account instead of building a championship team.

Of course Dak can posture like he wants to be paid top 5 QB money, and sure it’s understandable that he feels he’s worth a huge contract from Jerry, but what does that do for the team?  He threw for 425 yards per game in the first 4 games last season — and DAL should have been 0-4.  The previous season he led the NFL in passing yards and they went 8-8.  Fixing their defense will only get them so far when every one of their core players treat their wallets like Jason Peters.

 

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This is why DAL underachieves every season; they have a culture where their top players are in it for their bank account instead of building a championship team.

Of course Dak can posture like he wants to be paid top 5 QB money, and sure it’s understandable that he feels he’s worth a huge contract from Jerry, but what does that do for the team?  He threw for 425 yards per game in the first 4 games last season — and DAL should have been 0-4.  The previous season he led the NFL in passing yards and they went 8-8.  Fixing their defense will only get them so far when every one of their core players treat their wallets like Jason Peters.

 

Honestly the Cowboys botched this whole thing by not going to Dak after his third year and trying to get a contract done at that point. They played it out like well will just let him play his fourth year and at worst case scenario we will just franchise tag him. At that point he’s not going to take the offer you were making at the end of his fourth year of 5 years 175 and around 100 mil in guaranteed money. Simply because he gets franchise tag twice he’s close to $70 million in guaranteed money. Which means if he gets to free agency after those two years he’s likely going to be close to $100 million in guaranteed money for a three-year contract like cousins got. So why would he sign a 4 to 5 year contract around 100 million guaranteed (175 reportedly) when he can make 170 million guaranteed money playing it out two years on the franchise tag and then getting a three-year contract in free agency more than what cousins got in terms of guaranteed money? I don’t blame Dak the cowboys botched it and he can cash in cause of it if he stays healthy and plays like he has. It is a gamble but I’m betting he believes in himself 

Only thing that could save the cowboys handling of this situation is if Wilson wants out then demands out and they make a play for him. Or watson saying he’s willing to go to Dallas and the cowboys pony up for either. Still giving up a ton of value to get either of those guys but I’m guessing Dak isn’t let go for nothing in this. It might ultimately break in their favor by just dumb luck of Wilson and watson being in the positions they are. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Honestly the Cowboys botched this whole thing by not going to Dak after his third year and trying to get a contract done at that point. They played it out like well will just let him play his fourth year and at worst case scenario we will just franchise tag him. At that point he’s not going to take the offer you were making at the end of his fourth year of 5 years 175 and around 100 mil in guaranteed money. Simply because he gets franchise tag twice he’s close to $70 million in guaranteed money. Which means if he gets to free agency after those two years he’s likely going to be close to $100 million in guaranteed money for a three-year contract like cousins got. So why would he sign a 4 to 5 year contract around 100 million guaranteed (175 reportedly) when he can make 170 million guaranteed money playing it out two years on the franchise tag and then getting a three-year contract in free agency more than what cousins got in terms of guaranteed money? I don’t blame Dak the cowboys botched it and he can cash in cause of it if he stays healthy and plays like he has. It is a gamble but I’m betting he believes in himself 

Their real mistake was caving to Zeke.  
 

At some point Dak wants to be the franchise QB there or he doesn’t.  If Jerry was 59 years old instead of 89 he’d just walk away.  I wouldn’t even franchise him, just turn him loose and trade 2-3 draft picks for his replacement — whether that’s Watson or Wilson, or wait another season and take a run at Aaron Rodgers.  They’re not winning anything with Dak anyway, which is why so many Eagles fans want to see Jerry overpay again.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Their real mistake was caving to Zeke.  
 

At some point Dak wants to be the franchise QB there or he doesn’t.  If Jerry was 59 years old instead of 89 he’d just walk away.  I wouldn’t even franchise him, just turn him loose and trade 2-3 draft picks for his replacement — whether that’s Watson or Wilson, or wait another season and take a run at Aaron Rodgers.  They’re not winning anything with Dak anyway, which is why so many Eagles fans want to see Jerry overpay again.

Yeah they never should’ve drafted zeke at 4 to begin with. That was a mistake. They should’ve taken Ramsey. It was the logical move getting a corner of that ilk at 4 compared to a RB. 

I do not think the Cowboys will just walk away. This isn’t corey Simon where the value coming back is minimal. It’s a legit top 10 QB in a league needing QBs. I think they would tag them and then eventually try to trade him. if they couldn’t get a contract done and say we weren’t trying to trade him we were trying to get a contract done but realized it was never going to happen. Then use those picks along with some others to make the move to get Deshaun Watson or Russell Wilson or move up to get a QB they like. Only way i see them walking away is at the end of the year. To tag him in 2022 is like $50 mil. Not going to happen. Right now makes no sense just to walk away 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

As a non baised fan, 

Dak showed his worth last year, he deserves big money. 

As an Eagle Fan I truly hope they over pay him or let him walk, but the dude deserves it. 

Drafting a RB or TE in the top 10 in todays league is dumb. 

 

Or WR. 

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

As a non baised fan, 

Dak showed his worth last year, he deserves big money. 

As an Eagle Fan I truly hope they over pay him or let him walk, but the dude deserves it. 

Drafting a RB or TE in the top 10 in todays league is dumb. 

There’s been rumors and they were talking about it on Sirius radio yesterday that if they let him just walk,  he would seriously consider going to Washington. I can’t imagine Jerry Jones is just going to just let Dak Prescott walk and watch him go to Washington unless somehow they got Wilson or watson. 

37 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This is why DAL underachieves every season; they have a culture where their top players are in it for their bank account instead of building a championship team.

Of course Dak can posture like he wants to be paid top 5 QB money, and sure it’s understandable that he feels he’s worth a huge contract from Jerry, but what does that do for the team?  He threw for 425 yards per game in the first 4 games last season — and DAL should have been 0-4.  The previous season he led the NFL in passing yards and they went 8-8.  Fixing their defense will only get them so far when every one of their core players treat their wallets like Jason Peters.

 

I'll never begrudge players trying to maximize their contracts. They have such short lifespans where they can make big bucks, they should absolutely try to earn every last penny they can. Fans like to think the players are altruistic and care about the fanbase or even winning trophies. But look at even JJ Watt. He took more money than reportedly was offered by Green Bay who I would think is a much closer contender than Arizona. 

It's up to management to be the bad cop, and draw that line in the sand saying we will only pay you this much, take it or leave it. I don't even fault Peters last year for what he did, Howie should've had the balls to tell him no, we aren't paying you more to switch from G to T. But I don't blame JP one second for asking for more money. 

I think Dak should ask for every last penny he can get out of the Cowboys. If they pay him, I think that's good for us as I think he's a good QB, but not good enough. If he leaves and does in fact go to Washington, again, I think he's good but not good enough to win it all. The problem there is if he goes to Washington, Jerry might rampage enough to bring in Watson or Wilson, who I think can be good enough (obviously Wilson is). So it's a weird situation from our perspective. 

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

That I disagree with whole heartedly 

 

What is the logic of a TE being taken in the top 10 is bad but a WR taken in the top 10 isn't? 

Over the past 20 years I can only think of one instance where a WR taken by a team in the top 10 actually worked out as a building block cornerstone player for that franchise (Fitzgerald).  

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'll never begrudge players trying to maximize their contracts. They have such short lifespans where they can make big bucks, they should absolutely try to earn every last penny they can. Fans like to think the players are altruistic and care about the fanbase or even winning trophies. But look at even JJ Watt. He took more money than reportedly was offered by Green Bay who I would think is a much closer contender than Arizona. 

It's up to management to be the bad cop, and draw that line in the sand saying we will only pay you this much, take it or leave it. I don't even fault Peters last year for what he did, Howie should've had the balls to tell him no, we aren't paying you more to switch from G to T. But I don't blame JP one second for asking for more money. 

I think Dak should ask for every last penny he can get out of the Cowboys. If they pay him, I think that's good for us as I think he's a good QB, but not good enough. If he leaves and does in fact go to Washington, again, I think he's good but not good enough to win it all. The problem there is if he goes to Washington, Jerry might rampage enough to bring in Watson or Wilson, who I think can be good enough (obviously Wilson is). So it's a weird situation from our perspective. 

Honestly it might be the ultimate dumb luck that the Cowboys fall into the situation where they botch the Dak Prescott situation, lose Prescott to Washington and yet somehow managed to fall into Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What is the logic of a TE being taken in the top 10 is bad but a WR taken in the top 10 isn't? 

Over the past 20 years I can only think of one instance where a WR taken by a team in the top 10 actually worked out as a building block cornerstone player for that franchise (Fitzgerald).  

Mike Evans worked out pretty well...

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What is the logic of a TE being taken in the top 10 is bad but a WR taken in the top 10 isn't? 

Over the past 20 years I can only think of one instance where a WR taken by a team in the top 10 actually worked out as a building block cornerstone player for that franchise (Fitzgerald).  

Julio Jones, Evans and fitz are about the only ones. Really julio should have a super bowl if not for things outside of his control with shanahan and the defense blowing a 28-3 lead. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Mike Evans worked out pretty well...

 

Only because the GOAT decided to go there. The 6 seasons prior the Bucs never made the playoffs. 

 

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

What is the logic of a TE being taken in the top 10 is bad but a WR taken in the top 10 isn't? 

Over the past 20 years I can only think of one instance where a WR taken by a team in the top 10 actually worked out as a building block cornerstone player for that franchise (Fitzgerald).  

Julio 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Julio Jones, Evans and fitz are about the only ones. Really julio should have a super bowl if not for things outside of his control with shanahan and the defense blowing a 28-3 lead. 

 

Falcons weren't a rebuilding team when they selected Julio.  They made a huge trade to jump in the draft for him. They were already a playoff team. I addressed Evans in another post I just made. 

 

 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Falcons weren't a rebuilding team when ehy selected Julio.  They made a huge trade to jump in the draft for him. They were already a playoff team. I addressed Evans in another post I just made. 

 

 

Well we just threw out 3 examples right away. You could even argue Megatron, and he was only ruined because Detroit ruins HOF careers. 

Can you name any TEs drafted in the top 10 in the last 20 years that would qualify? 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Julio 

 

Falcons were a playoff team that traded up for him. 

 

My point is that this team is in a complete rebuild and WR is not a building block piece.  It is an accessory that is added later.