Just now, Bacarty2 said:

With all the picks the Jets have, they look at themselves as a playoff contender. 

Miami, Broncos and Dallas. 

Math/history shows you theres a lot of playoff turn over. 

I think it's been reported that Miami is basically locked into taking Smith at 3. Maybe that's a smoke screen, but I think it's a good move for them if they think his game will translate into the NFL. Miami was in a playoff fight until the last seconds of the regular season last year, so I think they'd certainly qualify as a contender. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Drafting Hurts in the 2nd absolutely signaled the end of the Wentz era here. They took Hurts thinking he would be the guy moving forward. You have to think Sirianni took the job understanding Hurts was his QB. I would be floored, and absolutely devastated if they take a QB at 6 this year. 

LOL!  Floored and absolutely devastated? 

Mrs. Hurts, is that you?

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

On the surface, I agree. I am very intrigued into what exactly Howie will do this offseason. He has shown in the past an ability to flip a roster around, and get out of a bad situation (post Chip). This situation is a bit different, but it's a very compelling off season to me. That could all be trashed if they take a QB at 6 though (unless they somehow trade Hurts as well). 

In  my mind Howie thinks that Hurts is R.W.2 (which I don't but who knows). If he does they will not go qb at pick 6. To me though it also depends on what Sirianni wants as well.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Drafting Hurts in the 2nd absolutely signaled the end of the Wentz era here. They took Hurts thinking he would be the guy moving forward. You have to think Sirianni took the job understanding Hurts was his QB. I would be floored, and absolutely devastated if they take a QB at 6 this year. 

I’ve said this for a while. Imo they did not grab Jalen hurts to be a back up quarterback. I believe They drafted Jalen hurts because they thought he was a good insurance plan to Carson Wentz which day were not entirely sold on at the end of 2019. They didn’t know what Carson Wentz they were going to get and they figured they had at least two years before they had to make a decision on him so they could evaluate his play and groom Jalen hurts in case Carson Wentz was not the player they thought. I just don’t think they believe it would take one year to get to the point of where they were with Carson Wentz. It deteriorated way faster than what they probably thought. Again my opinion they thought it would take hurts two years to be groomed to be the quarterback the envisioned he could be and that’s about the time they thought they’d have to make a decision on wentz. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

At this point, with as bad as this roster is, Taking a huge step back and getting trade capitol probably is the correct play. 

 

Yeah, I also think that's the best scenario. But for that to happen, you need another team willing to give up good value. So, it can't be your strategy or you'll end up drafting Marcus Smith again. 

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

Every Eagle fan should want the colts to win and the eagles to lose. It's the only clear cut way to get Howie out of here. 

Nah I rather win and have Howie be right instead of losing for the next 2-3 years. 
 

Any real fan of a team that want their team to lose is a fake fan. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Right and they were built around foundational blue chip talent in Cox and Graham.  They are in their 30s and at the back end of their careers. Our defense is completely void of young blue chip cornerstone players. 

I love Brandon Graham. Calling him a blue chip player might be a bit of a reach. I think he's been very good, but not blue chip. Hell he just made his first Pro Bowl ever this year. 

I think there are some decent corners who could be had later in the draft. Also, with a new coaching staff, you don't really know how the players will fit into the new schemes. Some guys already on the roster may surprise you. 

I like Farley a lot, but would rather try to trade down and get him. I don't think the value aligns at 6.

Parsons is interesting. I wouldn't be upset with him at 6, but I can see the argument that LB has basically become the RB of defense in the modern game. Outside of those two guys, what other "blue chip" players are there for defense? 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would consider Julio Jones and Mike Evans cornerstone type players for their franchises. No where in your original quote does it say they have to be in a complete rebuild or you couldn’t have Tom Brady as a quarterback to be a cornerstone player. Those are moving the goal post of your original comment.

You don’t think Julio Jones is a cornerstone player for the Atlanta Falcons? Because I look at Matt Ryan’s numbers without Julio Jones, they aren’t nearly as good as they are with Julio Jones. So in my opinion he is a cornerstone type player for the Falcons and major part of why they got to a Super Bowl.

you wanna argue Mike Evans is not a cornerstone type player? Fine. However he’s been a top 10wide receiver over the last five years. Since 2016 Mike Evans is 4th in receiving yards, 3rd in touchdown receptions and 11th in receptions (https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/who-has-the-most-receiving-yards-last-5-years). And I would argue one of the big reasons Tom Brady wanted to go to Tampa Bay was because they had the weapons of Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. So you’re gonna tell me he gets negated by Tom Brady but he was one of the reasons Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay

 

 

If you don't understand what a building block cornerstone player refers to then you're a lost cause. The Falcons didn't build a playoff teams round Julio. They were a built playoff team that felt that Julio could put them over the top and make them a serious contending team. 

Mike Evans while great that team saw very little team success with him for the 6 seasons prior to Brady getting there.  That goes to my point that despite how good a WR might be, it isn't a position you build your roster around, it won't lead to success of your team.  It is an accessory position.  It is something that adds value to a roster but is not a central building block of a successful roster. 

 

This isn't your fantasy football team in a fantasy football league. 

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Where was this reported? All I’ve heard them say is they didn’t want to miss out like they did with russell Wilson and they needed a cheap backup Qb. Imo those two things contradict one another tbh. So you thought enough of him that you didn’t wanna potentially miss out on a prospect that turns out to be really good but you only drafted him to be a back up quarterback. 

Mosher and Caplan were adamant about it, I want to say two weeks ago? They both said point blank the Eagles drafted him with the intention of being a really good backup who could spot start and that they never made the pick with the thought of replacing Wentz. It was also brought up around the same time on another pod, either BwF or Eagle Eye. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think it's been reported that Miami is basically locked into taking Smith at 3. Maybe that's a smoke screen, but I think it's a good move for them if they think his game will translate into the NFL. Miami was in a playoff fight until the last seconds of the regular season last year, so I think they'd certainly qualify as a contender. 

Frankly I think Miami should trade out of that pick. There’s gonna be a team that wants to get one of those quarterbacks trying to move up to three to leapfrog Atlanta who could be in play for a quarterback. I get they can’t get rid of Matt Ryan this year (dead money 40+ mil) but next year they can move off of him and they could just chalk up this year as a learning here for someone like trey Lance or Justin fields. 

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

With all the picks the Jets have, they look at themselves as a playoff contender. 

Miami, Broncos and Dallas. 

Math/history shows you theres a lot of playoff turn over. 

 

The Jets struggled to win 2 games last year.  They are not a playoff contender heading into 2020 unless they use those draft picks to trade for someone like Wilson or Watson and even then that roster is just flat out bad right now. 

Broncos don't have QB.  Cowboys, like the Broncos are already loaded at WR.  A lot good it is doing them.  Cowboys need to go defense or offensive line.  WR makes no sense for them or the Broncos. 

 

3 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

LOL!  Floored and absolutely devastated? 

Mrs. Hurts, is that you?

Nope, I don't think Hurts is very good, I think he's best suited as a career backup. A guy that can come in and win a few games with his legs. 

Maybe Sirianni can get him to stay in the pocket longer and develop his progressions. It's likely he can't. But by using a 2nd rounder on the guy just last year, the intent is that he's the guy for this year, at least. So, as a fan of the Eagles, I hope he proves me wrong and is a good QB. If he's not, then we'll be here next year looking at the QBs. But for this year, you should be addressing the other 52 holes on this roster. You've used a 2nd on Hurts, time to see what he can actually do over a full season. It's unfathomable to me that you would want to invite yet another QB controversy into this team. Haven't we had enough of that? 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I love Brandon Graham. Calling him a blue chip player might be a bit of a reach. I think he's been very good, but not blue chip. Hell he just made his first Pro Bowl ever this year. 

I think there are some decent corners who could be had later in the draft. Also, with a new coaching staff, you don't really know how the players will fit into the new schemes. Some guys already on the roster may surprise you. 

I like Farley a lot, but would rather try to trade down and get him. I don't think the value aligns at 6.

Parsons is interesting. I wouldn't be upset with him at 6, but I can see the argument that LB has basically become the RB of defense in the modern game. Outside of those two guys, what other "blue chip" players are there for defense? 

 

Mock drafts you read online are not the Bible.  It is never how it actually plays out. If you like a player like Farley then you draft him, you don't trade down 5-10 slots unless you are open to the chance of them being taken before you. 

 

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Drafting Hurts in the 2nd absolutely signaled the end of the Wentz era here. They took Hurts thinking he would be the guy moving forward. You have to think Sirianni took the job understanding Hurts was his QB. I would be floored, and absolutely devastated if they take a QB at 6 this year. 

That's how I look at it.  If they do it just shows how much they don't value draft picks, especially 2nd rounders.  

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

LOL. You're the type of dude who watches his wife sleep with other guys and thinks shses gonna stop.

You're way 8-10 years of mediocre football and Howie finally gets fired. 

My way, Colts/wentz looks amazing. Eagles look like crap. 3 years from now we have a new GM and ready to build. 

 

Your the type of dude who loves a football team but hangs out in other teams message boards cause ya have no life. 
 

It’s easy to root for Eagles to lose when your a Steelers fan. 

13 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Drafting Hurts in the 2nd absolutely signaled the end of the Wentz era here. They took Hurts thinking he would be the guy moving forward. You have to think Sirianni took the job understanding Hurts was his QB. I would be floored, and absolutely devastated if they take a QB at 6 this year. 

I would shrug my shoulders

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

If you don't understand what a building block cornerstone player refers to then you're a lost cause. The Falcons didn't build a playoff teams round Julio. They were a built playoff team that felt that Julio could put them over the top and make them a serious contending team. 

Mike Evans while great that team saw very little team success with him for the 6 seasons prior to Brady getting there.  That goes to my point that despite how good a WR might be, it isn't a position you build your roster around, it won't lead to success of your team.  It is an accessory position.  It is something that adds value to a roster but is not a central building block of a successful roster. 

 

This isn't your fantasy football team in a fantasy football league. 

 

Yes all of us don’t understand what cornerstone building block players are and only you do after the fact you make up new narratives... Again moving the goalposts. 

yes you’re right the Atlanta Falcons didn’t build a team around strictly Julio Jones. The only made the trade up to get him knowing they needed him to build their team up to where they wanted to get too. So yes that’s not a cornerstone player. Only thought that they needed him badly enough to move up heaven and earth to get him so that they could get to where they wanted to go.  

dismissing the fact of Mike Evans wasn’t the cornerstone type player meanwhile there’s a chance Tom Brady would not be in Tampa Bay right now.  It’s funny you act like Tom Brady didn’t use the fact that Mike Evans was in Tampa Bay as a reason for Tom Brady wanting and signing with Tampa Bay

2 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

You could tell us more about how you want the Colts to win and Eagles to lose. 

whatever it takes to fire Howie

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes all of us don’t understand what cornerstone building block players are and only you do after the fact you make up new narratives... Again moving the goalposts. 

yes you’re right the Atlanta Falcons didn’t build a team around strictly Julio Jones. The only made the trade up to get him knowing they needed him to build their team up to where they wanted to get too. So yes that’s not a cornerstone player. Only thought that they needed him badly enough to move up heaven and earth to get him so that they could get to where they wanted to go.  

dismissing the fact of Mike Evans wasn’t the cornerstone type player meanwhile there’s a chance Tom Brady would not be in Tampa Bay right now.  It’s funny you act like Tom Brady didn’t use the fact that Mike Evans was in Tampa Bay as a major reason for Tom Brady going to Tampa Bay

I mean I think it's an easy argument that Evans was absolutely a cornerstone, and Brady was the Keystone, to keep with the masonry theme. 

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!

https://www.insidethebirds.com/podcast/episode/1e0cefdb/closing-the-book-on-carson

It starts around the 23:10 minute mark

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yes all of us don’t understand what cornerstone building block players are and only you do after the fact you make up new narratives... Again moving the goalposts. 

yes you’re right the Atlanta Falcons didn’t build a team around strictly Julio Jones. The only made the trade up to get him knowing they needed him to build their team up to where they wanted to get too. So yes that’s not a cornerstone player. Only thought that they needed him badly enough to move up heaven and earth to get him so that they could get to where they wanted to go.  

dismissing the fact of Mike Evans wasn’t the cornerstone type player meanwhile there’s a chance Tom Brady would not be in Tampa Bay right now.  It’s funny you act like Tom Brady didn’t use the fact that Mike Evans was in Tampa Bay as a major reason for Tom Brady going to Tampa Bay

 

Not moving goalposts, just your complete lack of reading comprehension. 

If Tom Brady wasn't in Tampa right now then the Bucs would have gone 7 seasons with Mike Evans without making the playoffs. But hey, he is has been good on your fantasy teams at least. 

 

So your argument for why a WR is a building block cornerstone position is because in 7 years you might be able to lure the GOAT at 43 years old to come to your team as a free agent.  Yeah that seems like a solid and reasonable plan when it comes to building your team around a WR. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think the average is 7 NFL teams wont return to the playoffs the following year. Now add in the 17th game and a 7th wild card. Yea, I wouldnt be shocked one bit if 2 teams... maybe 3 from the top 10 of this years draft make the playoffs.

2020 - Browns and Redskins(should of been Cardinals and dolphins too)

2019-  49ers, Bills, Packers drafted 11th and were the 2 seed I think

20180 Bears, Colts, 

 

So it looks like on average, two teams drafting in the top 10 this year will make the playoffs. Now add in the 7th, I'd bet 3

 

If the Jets take Sewell in round 1 and nab Etienne in round 2, their offense could be pretty good IMO. 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mosher and Caplan were adamant about it, I want to say two weeks ago? They both said point blank the Eagles drafted him with the intention of being a really good backup who could spot start and that they never made the pick with the thought of replacing Wentz. It was also brought up around the same time on another pod, either BwF or Eagle Eye. 

I feel like that’s a bunch of BS that they’re feeding to try to play it off like they didn’t select hurts to have issues with Carson Wentz. These are the same Eagles that told us that Carson Wentz had no problems with them drafting Jalen hurts and then literally it comes out he had problems with it since the time they drafted him.  To me that screens in Eagle source try to save themselves

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think the average is 7 NFL teams wont return to the playoffs the following year. Now add in the 17th game and a 7th wild card. Yea, I wouldnt be shocked one bit if 2 teams... maybe 3 from the top 10 of this years draft make the playoffs.

2020 - Browns and Redskins(should of been Cardinals and dolphins too)

2019-  49ers, Bills, Packers drafted 11th and were the 2 seed I think

20180 Bears, Colts, 

 

So it looks like on average, two teams drafting in the top 10 this year will make the playoffs. Now add in the 7th, I'd bet 3

 

What are you even are you trying to argue at this point? That the Broncos and Cowboys should draft a WR despite having stacked WR corps?  That you think the Jets are a playoff team in 2021 simply Becuase they have a lot of draft picks but nothing good at all about the roster as is right now? 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Nope, I don't think Hurts is very good, I think he's best suited as a career backup. A guy that can come in and win a few games with his legs. 

Maybe Sirianni can get him to stay in the pocket longer and develop his progressions. It's likely he can't. But by using a 2nd rounder on the guy just last year, the intent is that he's the guy for this year, at least. So, as a fan of the Eagles, I hope he proves me wrong and is a good QB. If he's not, then we'll be here next year looking at the QBs. But for this year, you should be addressing the other 52 holes on this roster. You've used a 2nd on Hurts, time to see what he can actually do over a full season. It's unfathomable to me that you would want to invite yet another QB controversy into this team. Haven't we had enough of that? 

I'm not going to be floored or devastated if they take a QB.  He is a mediocre player that will win some games running around, which will result in us landing mid round picks.  He can start all he wants next year and I will not care, because we are going to be pretty bad next season.  It is a more efficient use of the pick, IF a QB you like is there at 6 that they want.  We still maintain both 1st rounders next year that way to add to the arsenal versus having to package a bunch of stuff up to move up.  

Hurts isn't the future.  He's a 7 or 8 win QB,  so this #6 may be as high as we get for awhile. 

That said, I don't think they draft QB.  Howie thinks he stole Russell Wilson last year and his ego won't let him admin that he didn't.