1 hour ago, devpool said:

You do know there was a point where over a 5 year span giroux had more points than all of those players right

Lol If you believe Giroux is as good as those players you are in denial. He’s nowhere close to Sidney Crosby who has carried the penguins in multiple playoffs to titles whereas Giroux has come up small since 2012 in that department  

Additionally you’re talking about giroux five year stretch (10-11 to 2014-15) includes the three years when Crosby dealt with injuries/concussions. even with Giroux playing 121 more games during that span of time then Crosby only had 29 more points than Crosby (376-347).  So it took Giroux 121 more games during that span to get 29 more points than Crosby. And yet you think he’s on the same level as that guy. Additionally Crosby has 6 100 point seasons  and 10 80+ point seasons. Giroux has 1 100 point season and 4 80+ point seasons 

meanwhile Alexander Ovechkin his worst season in scoring goals would be Giroux’s second best total. Add on Ovechkin worse five year stretch and goals is an average of 41 goals. And that includes a shortened season as to why it’s not higher. So something that Giroux has never done which is score 40 goals was his lowest average over a five-year stretch. You’ll see well he’s not a goal score well in my opinion you can’t be a superstar if you can’t score goals like a superstar can and does. I’ll also point out ovechkin has 4 100+ point seasons and 9 80+ point seasons  

Kane is really the closest Giroux is to those 3 players. Giroux like with Crosby played 36 more games during that 5 year stretch where he was better than Kane. Kane had 49 points less. There’s a chance Kane comes close to catching Giroux meanwhile he also won multiple cups as one of the main catalysts. Additionally the five year stretch after that Giroux 49 point difference, kane obliterates Giroux 465 in points to 371. It’s not even close and Kane missed same amount of time over that span as Giroux. Kane has 2 100 point seasons and 5 80+ point seasons. Meanwhile Giroux has 1 100 point season and 4 80+ point season  

I can bring in playoff stats if you’d also like. Crosby 1.2 points per game. Ovechkin .971 point per game. Kane .971 point per game. Giroux is .86 points per game. Giroux is actually skewed because of his early career success. His last 35 playoff games basically since 2013 he has got 18 points which is .514 points per game. Heck even if i gave you his 2011-2012 playoffs which was 10 games and his best point per game average he’s at .77 points per game which is well below those three  

best five year stretch in points in each of those guys Career: kane 465, Crosby 506, ovechkin 529 and Giroux 386. 

The only people on this planet that believe Giroux is as good as Crosby and ovechkin are die hard Flyers fans that can’t admit he’s in the next tier below those guys. Meanwhile the rest of the world acknowledges he’s a very good player but not on those two guys level. Sad part is most flyers fans say you don’t appreciate him and he’s that good. No we appreciate him just gone. we’re just open to the idea they’re better players in the NHL than him. 

Just to echo someone else's post from earlier, the Jason Avant/Quintin Mikell podcast is awesome. Could not recommend it enough.

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The biggest practical issue I see with millennials in the real world is, very few want to put the work in.  So many young people believe they’re entitled to start at or near the top instead of starting at the bottom and working your way up — there’s incredible value and perspective gained in doing that.  
The first job I had paid me $3.95 per hour, I often worked 12-14 hours per day and 6-7 days per week to get noticed by my bosses and work my way up.  I certainly don’t know any young people willing to do that now.  In both Canada and the US the immigrants do all the jobs that white kids think are beneath them.  I used to do those jobs.

Entitlement and laziness are in abundance now — can’t be a good thing for the future 

And this is where the minimum wage discussion gets tricky.  Is it meant to be a liveable wage or a wage for folks to start working?  I'm guessing we've all worked crappy jobs with crappy pay. One summer I had the option of working retail or at a restaurant for minimum wage...or I could pick frozen foods in a warehouse for $14.  The job sucked, I had to wear bibs and pick in a freezer on a pallet jack for 8 hours but the paycheck was great and even better was you had a quota to pick....so the harder you worked the less time you spent in the freezer and you still got your full 8-hour pay.

When I was in college I did end up working retail.  I worked the floor helping people find stuff but when they asked if anyone wanted to work in Customer Service for $4/hr more I jumped on it.  It came with more responsibility (checking out customers, counting the safe, closing the store...) but $4/hr is a big jump.  Some people didn't want that so they were stuck with making less money.  

If you're working a minimum wage job and want to make more money, 9 times out of 10 you control it.  Either you work harder, get a different or additional job or show that you deserve more.  The problem today is everyone wants more without giving more.  Your last sentence hits the nail on the head.  

38 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is a huge part of it.  What we're finding out now is that more and more teachers are teaching their ideals and forcing them on to students.  I have a problem with this style of teaching.  I come from a family of teachers and I really take pride in the way they went about an even/fair unbiased curriculum.  The whole idea of teaching is to help develop individual minds, to find students strengths and help them flourish at what they are good at, not to force ideas on them to think exactly the way you want them to. 

I think it is a bit more complicated now. Many teachers are teaching so as to not offend their students. When students are "offended" there can be career consequences for the teachers. It is becoming harder for teachers to challenge students' preconceived ideas.

 

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is the important thing to know.  Just like my parents struggle with some technology, my niece and nephew have no idea how to use a compass or protractor.  Probably don't even know what they are.

Show them a map and they're clueless.  Ask them to help with Waze and they can get us to the beach.

Why would they waste time on things that are becoming obsolete?

33 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I've mentioned Kellen Mond a few times.  I think he's a very good prospect that no one (aside from Simms) seems to be talking about.  

I think his NFL comparison might be Dak.

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Today’s young adults are much better educated than their grandparents, as the share of young adults with a bachelor’s degree or higher has steadily climbed since 1968. Among Millennials, around four-in-ten (39%) of those ages 25 to 37 have a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared with just 15% of the Silent Generation, roughly a quarter of Baby Boomers and about three-in-ten Gen Xers (29%) when they were the same age.

Again, is the argument that they are more educated or they are smarter?  Big difference.  You can cruise through college hungover with a C average and get a Bachelor's Degree.  

You have to also consider the fact that because of things like Affirmative Action and even athletic scholarships, the number of people attending college is up.  I think we're going to see this number decrease in the future with trades becoming more and more needed.

 

36 minutes ago, RLC said:

I find this very interesting. Simms knows QBs.

In 2020, Simms loved Herbert last year. He had Tua 4th, which looks to be the right call.
In 2019, he ripped the Giants for drafting Daniel Jones and had Lock ahead of of Haskins/Jones. He had Jones behind Haskins and feels like he missed on Jones despite him not being a franchise QB. Everyone had Murray at #1.
In 2018, his rankings were 1) Lamar, 2) Allen, 3) Baker 4) Darnold 5) Rosen. That's pretty much on point although you could easily flip-flop #1/#2.
In 2017, he had Mahomes #1.

He also said Eagles should draft a QB at #6. He doesn’t like Hurts at all. 

17 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

IQ is such a bad measurement of intelligence.  Do they even bother to do IQ tests anymore?

It’s actually a great measure of intelligence, especially Raven’s Matrices. Yes, it is used a lot and is highly predictive of outcomes.

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Why would they waste time on things that are becoming obsolete?

Just because something is obsolete doesn't mean it isn't worth knowing!  No offense to you but that's a piss poor attitude.  I'd much rather know more than I need to in case something happened.  

How many of us in here know how to disassemble a Briggs and Stratton engine because we learned it in school?  Just because we learned that doesn't mean it's a waste.

 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I think his NFL comparison might be Dak.

I think he's got a better arm but definitely the same style of play.

Would people lose their ish if we took Davis Mills in the 3rd?

28 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

BTW I finally figured out what is wrong with me:

 

I played with Mr Potato head and read Dr Suess as a child.

 

I am all better now. 

When I was a kid, the Mr. Potatohead was just pushpins that were stuck in real vegetables.  I don’t remember them as being truly gender specific.  I do remember that a weak later you had a shrunken moldy monster.

I understand the folks at the Suess organization for why the action was taken. Anyone remember the racist depictions in cartoons from that era? They aren’t canceling Dr. Seuss, they are just recognizing what was accepted, right or wrong, culturally in the past does not fit going forward so they aren’t publishing those books going forward.  

I do worry though that we lose the folklore of Uncle Remus or The Jungle Book if we don’t at times reflect that there is cultural history in the stories of yore.  ‘Tis a dual edged sword.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Again, is the argument that they are more educated or they are smarter?  Big difference.  You can cruise through college hungover with a C average and get a Bachelor's Degree.  

You have to also consider the fact that because of things like Affirmative Action and even athletic scholarships, the number of people attending college is up.  I think we're going to see this number decrease in the future with trades becoming more and more needed.

 

Millennials are the smartest, richest, and potentially longest living generation of all time.

false

3 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Millennials are the smartest, richest, and potentially longest living generation of all time.

Then no need to raise minimum wage

So goodwin staying changes 1st round perspective?

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Millennials are the smartest, richest, and potentially longest living generation of all time.

And second softest (1st is Gen Z) of all time.

Just now, espinozamotor said:

So goodwin staying changes 1st round perspective?

Where did you hear this?

1 minute ago, espinozamotor said:

So goodwin staying changes 1st round perspective?

Lol

9 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Millennials are the smartest, richest, and potentially longest living generation of all time.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

I would give him until midway through next season to make a proper evaluation on him.  He had a lot of time off.  He flashes some stuff and shows he has skill.  It could be a lack of conditioning, game speed, and confidence at the moment.  If he is still underperforming by the end of next year, then it's definitely time to worry.

I am willing to give him time but I thought he was overrated before he had the concussion issue. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid to good player. My point is more flyers fans seem to overate the fact that he went number two so he’s destined going to become a star. The way flyers fans talk about him it’s like they expect him to be a bonafide star. That’s why i said he’s overrated. Just cause pettersson (went 3 picks later) seems like he’s destined to be a legit star doesn’t mean Patrick does

 

He has had a fairly decent track record in recent years. 

 

2018

1) Lamar Jackson
2) Josh Allen
3) Baker Mayfield
4) Sam Darnold
5) Josh Rosen

2019

1) Kyler Murray
2) Drew Lock
3) Dwayne Haskins
4) Ryan Finley
5) Jarrett Stidham
6) Daniel Jones
7) Clayton Thorson
😎

2020

1) Joe Burrow
2) Justin Herbert
3) Jordan Love
4) Tua Tagovailoa

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am willing to give him time but I thought he was overrated before he had the concussion issue. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid to good player. My point is more flyers fans seem to overate the fact that he went number two so he’s destined going to become a star. The way flyers fans talk about him it’s like they expect him to be a bonafide star. That’s why i said he’s overrated. Just cause pettersson (went 3 picks later) seems like he’s destined to be a legit star doesn’t mean Patrick does

The worst year to have a #2 pick in the draft.  I think his ceiling is a 20-25 goals, 60-65 points.  At this point, I would gladly take that.

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

This is an interesting proposition, but is one, I suspect, that is quite difficult to quantify objectively. It seems that the outcome will depend on the metric examined. Younger generations have the advantage of superior technology and a large cumulative knowledge base when compared to previous generations.

My experience with current university students (the old eyeball test) is that they are not as intellectually curious as were their predecessors and that they want things handed to them. They do not take criticism well. There also is a heightened sense of entitlement.

Having said all that, the differences I described are slight.

yup....I have been actively involved in K-12 education for the past 30+ years both as teacher and now administrator in California..my specialty is mathematics. I have worked just about every demographic from affluent suburban to low income urban to rural farm country. I have seen the shift from intellectual curiosity to "just give me the answer" mentality. There is minimal desire to put in the work and research with critical thinking skills from a vast majority of students. Why put in the work on functions and algebra when there is an app which allows a student to take a picture of the math problem and immediately get the answer.

As for the intelligence conversation...there is a huge difference between intelligence and smartness...our students don't practice smartness skills anymore and it is a big problem.

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am willing to give him time but I thought he was overrated before he had the concussion issue. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a solid to good player. My point is more flyers fans seem to overate the fact that he went number two so he’s destined going to become a star. The way flyers fans talk about him it’s like they expect him to be a bonafide star. That’s why i said he’s overrated. Just cause pettersson (went 3 picks later) seems like he’s destined to be a legit star doesn’t mean Patrick does

The problem with Nolan Patrick is that he’s objectively the worst of any of the top 5 picks. It could be argued that Hischier hasn’t been leaps and bounds better, but Hischier, Heiskanen, and Pettersen have all been named all-stars, and Cale Makar logs 25 minutes per game with the Avalanche.

When I watch the Flyers play (which isn’t a lot anymore) I seldom notice Patrick at all.  Joel Farabee looks much more advanced despite being a year younger.  The #2 overall pick should be a top six forward by now and Patrick isn’t close to that level.

31 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

The worst year to have a #2 pick in the draft.  I think his ceiling is a 20-25 goals, 60-65 points.  At this point, I would gladly take that.

Honestly miro heiskanen who went 3 and Elias pettersson are good players. Miro is a good defenseman. Pettersson is averaging a little below a point per game for his career. Has 153 points in 166 games. Even makar has played great so far. As a defenseman last year in his first nhl action he had 50 points in 57 games. So far this year 14 points in 15 games.