45 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

That 4.49 was at his Stanford Pro Day. He passed on running the 40 at the combine because he was going to have a bad time.

 

JJAW can't run. He's a 4.6 guy

He can straight line run. Long strides like most bigger WRs. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

He can straight line run. Long strides like most bigger WRs. 

4.6 at best. He's absolutely lost as a route runner and gets 0 separation. He's getting cut

6 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yeah you’re right. Teams are lining up to hire him as their DC. 

 

He was the fall man.  

6 hours ago, macgregor said:

Chip Kelly's final season(ok?) was BETTER than Wentz's last season. I figured you'd understand it the way I wrote it. I had no idea that you might not be trying too hard.

They didn't each have a 26-21 record in their final season.  There's only 16 games. Biased math doesn't compute. 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The worst matchup of the weekend has the prime time slot tonight.  The best match up of the weekend is hidden in the 1 pm time slot.  I get why they did it, but it still the wrong decision.  

Idk what it is but the Seahawks/Rams game does not even interest me in the slightest. It just has stinker written all over it. 

Ken Flajole thought LJ Fort couldn't play, but Nate Gerry could. That's all we need to know.

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Ken Flajole thought LJ Fort couldn't play, but Nate Gerry could. That's all we need to know.

Not to mention the Eagles hasn’t had a good LB since when? Trotter? 

42 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The worst matchup of the weekend has the prime time slot tonight.  The best match up of the weekend is hidden in the 1 pm time slot.  I get why they did it, but it still the wrong decision.  

My favorite matchup of the weekend is Baltimore VS Tennessee. Should be a good game all things considered 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I was wrong.  I thought Tenn and Baltimore was today at 1.  Not tomorrow.  Even still, I’d rather watch either one of those over the two NFC games today.  I think I’ll record the Bills game and do yard work all day and stay off the grid to have something of value to watch tonight.   

That’s the game I meant.   See other post.  

TBH this weeks slate of playoff games seems kinda meh.... Pittsburgh VS Cleveland has potential to be a great game but for some reason I see a blowout coming. 

43 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Idk what it is but the Seahawks/Rams game does not even interest me in the slightest. It just has stinker written all over it. 

0 interest in this game for me. Where’s greend’s  meteor when ya need it? 

The Steelers are probably the worst playoff team after WTF.  And I’m not even convinced the Steelers would win that one.

9 hours ago, mattmcginley7 said:

That 4.49 was at his Stanford Pro Day. He passed on running the 40 at the combine because he was going to have a bad time.

 

JJAW can't run. He's a 4.6 guy

JJaw can’t play.

39 minutes ago, RLC said:

Ken Flajole thought LJ Fort couldn't play, but Nate Gerry could. That's all we need to know.

Schwartz as well.

I don't know why anyone is really surprised by this season, as I've pointed out, Howie didn't take over a young team, he got them from 7-9 to 13-3, which made it hard to then rebuild, when you've won a SB, you want to keep the window open as long as possible and keep winning. Howie admitted they should have rebuilt this season, but COVID fooled him into thinking they could sneak back into the playoffs with a veteran team and get lucky. It's not like they had anyone they could have traded for a mega draft pick haul like the Giants did with Beckham. They did end up with 10 draft picks. So waiting a year really doesn't make a major change in the timeline.

They had really bad luck with OL injuries, a healthy OL (one major, one minor injury) and they probably win 8-9 games this year. A mediocre team in a weak division. They had already let Peters walk, they had drafted Dillard to replace him, were grooming Mailata, drafted Driscoll and Prince, and were developing Pryor and Herbig. All Howie wanted from DeSean was to give them 6-8 games and they knew Jeffrey would be back for the stretch run and the rookie WRs might be NFL ready by the playoffs. Sure, there was some green colored glasses involved, but that isn't one of those "if everything goes right" scenarios, it turned out to be one of those "if everything goes wrong" seasons.

Howie will shift some money into 2022 when the cap finally comes back up, and by 2023 all the veterans will be off the books and they can sign FAs again. Meanwhile he can pick up some comp picks, move some veterans for later round picks, and the roster will get much younger. This was inevitable, it's just that it was delayed for a year. It's good that they can't sign FAs b/c it'll result in extra comp picks and a worse record (better drafting position), when they can sign FAs, they'll be signing them to a young team and won't waste their best years.

Bringing back Pederson is a mistake, like Chip, when you look closely, both HCs had top offenses when they had top OLs, Chip's first two seasons he probably had the best OL in the NFL, Pederson from 2017 through 2019 had a top OL, yet couldn't repeat the magic of 2017. Which is why I question his ability to coach up anyone but Foles. 2020 was a clusterf---, but how come Agholor goes from 12.4, 11.5, 9.3 yards per reception to 18.7 with the Raiders? Maybe the deep threat was always here and Peddy had no clue?

Which is why the focus this offseason should be to shore up the OL, add maybe one skill receiver, and youth and speed on defense. You have to go with Wentz, unless you want to spend a decade hoping to land a QB with the same upside (most QBs picked in the top ten flop) - give him a good pass blocking line, fix his mechanics, and he can still be a top ten, maybe top five guy. If the QB has time, the young WRs can learn on the job.

 

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I don't know why anyone is really surprised by this season, as I've pointed out, Howie didn't take over a young team, he got them from 7-9 to 13-3, which made it hard to then rebuild, when you've won a SB, you want to keep the window open as long as possible and keep winning. Howie admitted they should have rebuilt this season, but COVID fooled him into thinking they could sneak back into the playoffs with a veteran team and get lucky. It's not like they had anyone they could have traded for a mega draft pick haul like the Giants did with Beckham. They did end up with 10 draft picks. So waiting a year really doesn't make a major change in the timeline.

They had really bad luck with OL injuries, a healthy OL (one major, one minor injury) and they probably win 8-9 games this year. A mediocre team in a weak division. They had already let Peters walk, they had drafted Dillard to replace him, were grooming Mailata, drafted Driscoll and Prince, and were developing Pryor and Herbig. All Howie wanted from DeSean was to give them 6-8 games and they knew Jeffrey would be back for the stretch run and the rookie WRs might be NFL ready by the playoffs. Sure, there was some green colored glasses involved, but that isn't one of those "if everything goes right" scenarios, it turned out to be one of those "if everything goes wrong" seasons.

Howie will shift some money into 2022 when the cap finally comes back up, and by 2023 all the veterans will be off the books and they can sign FAs again. Meanwhile he can pick up some comp picks, move some veterans for later round picks, and the roster will get much younger. This was inevitable, it's just that it was delayed for a year. It's good that they can't sign FAs b/c it'll result in extra comp picks and a worse record (better drafting position), when they can sign FAs, they'll be signing them to a young team and won't waste their best years.

Bringing back Pederson is a mistake, like Chip, when you look closely, both HCs had top offenses when they had top OLs, Chip's first two seasons he probably had the best OL in the NFL, Pederson from 2017 through 2019 had a top OL, yet couldn't repeat the magic of 2017. Which is why I question his ability to coach up anyone but Foles. 2020 was a clusterf---, but how come Agholor goes from 12.4, 11.5, 9.3 yards per reception to 18.7 with the Raiders? Maybe the deep threat was always here and Peddy had no clue?

Which is why the focus this offseason should be to shore up the OL, add maybe one skill receiver, and youth and speed on defense. You have to go with Wentz, unless you want to spend a decade hoping to land a QB with the same upside (most QBs picked in the top ten flop) - give him a good pass blocking line, fix his mechanics, and he can still be a top ten, maybe top five guy. If the QB has time, the young WRs can learn on the job.

 

We can argue whether Howie's plan was reasonable or not. What cannot be argued is that the execution of said plan was woeful.

11 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

The one common denominator in the offense gradually sucking worse and worse... Doug Pederson. Throw in Howie for missing on draft picks and putting us in cap purgatory  

How in the hell does anyone know how good of a coach Press Taylor is??? 

I think Pederson is a good Head Coach, just not a good OC and worse at both when he's running both. Let Pederson be solely the HC and bring in a full on OC to un the offense. I think that could really do wonders. 

38 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I don't know why anyone is really surprised by this season, as I've pointed out, Howie didn't take over a young team, he got them from 7-9 to 13-3, which made it hard to then rebuild, when you've won a SB, you want to keep the window open as long as possible and keep winning.

It should have been obvious after 2019 that the play was to get younger. Had they not signed Hargrave/traded for Slay and just went with the kids, I would have been fine with a bad 2020. Those were win-now moves.

13 minutes ago, Solomon said:

I think Pederson is a good Head Coach, just not a good OC and worse at both when he's running both. Let Pederson be solely the HC and bring in a full on OC to un the offense. I think that could really do wonders. 

Pederson wouldn’t be able to relinquish power. In theory that may work but DP couldn’t do it. Imo anyway 

Just now, Desertbirds said:

We can argue whether Howie's plan was reasonable or not. What cannot be argued is that the execution of said plan was woeful.

Sure it can be. For one thing, they really had awful luck with injuries, no, Brooks going down wasn't inevitable, Dillard, Seumalo, Driscoll (just think of the falloff from Driscoll to Pryor at RT). Lane was the only question mark and he had off season surgery on the ankle to address his issues. People grossly underestimate the importance of the OL.

It wasn't like Howie was predicting a 12 win season, with a really weak division 4-2 or 5-1 wasn't an outrageous expectation, which meant 8-8 could win the division. And it's not like any of his decisions were outrageous, Pederson had given up on Agholor (now we know Agholor could have been the deep threat, in which case Pederson probably wouldn't have been lobbying for Reagor over Jefferson, those stories about Howie deferring to his coaches over the scouts - that's what a GM should do - or get a new coach). Schwartz had given up on Darby, Jones and Douglas, the fact they started elsewhere says more about the DC than the GM. So he gets Slay at a reasonable cost, who played well. They let Jenkins and Peters walk, because it was time to start shedding veterans. Hargrave was costly, but that's the price of starting DTs in their prime years, and the result of Jerrigan/Malik not staying healthy (when they signed Malik, he had played 16 games for 6 seasons and was 29 years old, he was available b/c Jax had moved away from a one gap scheme).

I think the decision to go for it this season was Lurie's, Howie probably gave him the two alternatives, try to sneak into the playoffs or blow it up. I understand trying to sneak in, it's hard after you've made the playoffs three straight seasons to accept 2-3 years wandering in the desert with no guarantee that you'll reach the promised land.

They brought in Douglas/Weidl b/c Howie doesn't pretend to be a "football guy," they had the right credentials, not sure any other GM was a better bet.

The HC is probably the key hire, look at what AR did when he took over a 2-14 KC team.

traded a 2nd rd pick for Alex Smith

inherited Charles at RB, drafted Knile Davis #96, moved McCluster to the slot, Avery, Bowe, TE McGrath SFA, inherited an OL with 2 1st rd picks, 2 2nd rd picks and 2 3rd rd picks, signed Schwartz to 1 year deal.

On defense, inherited Jackson (#3), Poe (#11), signed Devito, Houston (#70), Hali (#20), D Johnson (#15), Flowers (#35), Berry (#5), Kendrick Lewis and signed Sean Smith as a FA.

Now that's your perennial bad team, loaded with talent, waiting for the right HC.

But surely KC is a great drafting team? Not exactly.

2013:  OT Fisher #8, TE Kelce #63, C Kush #170

2014:  DE Ford #23, G Fulton #193, OL Duverney-Tardif #200

2015:  CB Peters #18, G Morse #49, WR Conley #76, CB Nelson #98

2016:  DE C Jones #37, WR D Robinson #126, WR Tyreek Hill #165

2017:  QB Mahomes #10, RB Hunt #86

2018:  DT Nnadi #75

 

20 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Pederson wouldn’t be able to relinquish power. In theory that may work but DP couldn’t do it. Imo anyway 

I agree with this. He can change OC’s, move consultants around, etc ... at the end of the day Doug is the one on Sunday’s who’ll have the headset on sending in plays. 

Probably delaying the inevitable 

51 minutes ago, Solomon said:

I think Pederson is a good Head Coach, just not a good OC and worse at both when he's running both. Let Pederson be solely the HC and bring in a full on OC to un the offense. I think that could really do wonders. 

It's a fantastic idea and has been talked about on here for a long time.

Question is would Doug want to do this?  Very doubtful.  Given the ultimatum, he'd probably just leave.

55 minutes ago, Solomon said:

I think Pederson is a good Head Coach, just not a good OC and worse at both when he's running both. Let Pederson be solely the HC and bring in a full on OC to un the offense. I think that could really do wonders. 

The problem is Doug is to bull headed to let that happen. We all saw it worked in 2017 which its possible that was forced on him at the time. I just dont see Doug letting someone else take over the offense even if its the best thing for the team. Hes too proud and wants to prove his scheme works, which everyone other then him knows it does not. With that, sadly this will all come to a end of having a top 10 pick, last in the Div record next year and Doug getting the axe a year too late. 

 

 

I can't believe the Jaguars, who are being gifted Trevor Lawrence, are going to ruin this.

So is Meyer going to recruit a bunch of 5 star free agents? And get them to play for cheap?

So many top college coaches are primarily recruiters, and in the NFL, they actually have to coach.