6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Any way they can reasonably get under the cap and not do anything with Barnett or Ertz? Would certainly give them more leverage with both players' situation. I didn't realize they were gonna free up THAT much cap space by restructuring Hargrave.

Yeah actually not that difficult.  I think they just need to restructure Lane and extend Graham for something that brings his cap hit this year down to around 9 million.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

For as great as Avant hands were I remember some big time drops from him.  I don't remember any from Ward. 

What's wrong with Wards hands and route running? 

 

Most receptions Avant ever had in a season was 53 (7th season, most yards Avant ever had was 679 (6th season) and most TDs that he ever had was 3 (4th season).   

Greg Ward in his second season has shown that he is already well on his way in his development to far surpass the career that Avant had.  Last year Ward had 53 reception for 419 yards and 6 TDs. 

 

 

How was Avant better? I don't at all understand this romanticizing about Avant. 

He was able to make players farther than 6 yards downfield without the benefit of a coverage bust. 

And I’m not romanticizing Avant at all. I think he’s one of the most overrated players in the Blog. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

He was able to make players farther than 6 yards downfield without the benefit of a coverage bust. 

And I’m not romanticizing Avant at all. I think he’s one of the most overrated players in the Blog. 

 

Ward isn't able to played further than 6 yards down the field? Last year alone Ward had 2 TDs which were both probably double the length of Avant longest career TD catch. 

 

You're penalizing Ward for running the depth of routes that the Eagles were calling.  Ward is better than Avant was. His hands are better, he's quicker and unlike Avant, Ward doesn't shrink in big moments. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I just think Ward is better than what we give him credit for.  

2020 Greg Ward 6 TD

2019 Alshon Jeffery 4 TD

2018 Alshon Jeffery 6 TD

2017 Alshon Jeffery 9 TD/Nelson Agholor 8 TD (lighting strikes SB52)

2016 Jordan Matthews 3 TD

2015 Jordan Matthews 8 TD

 

Ok... so let him be our RZ weapon because he isn’t good anywhere else. 

But in all seriousness, touchdowns aren’t really predictive. There’s randomness involved. The bigger sample size shows him being a smaller, slower receiver with good hands and poor separation skills. 

He’s simply not good enough. 

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1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ward isn't able to played further than 6 yards down the field? Last year alone Ward had 2 TDs which were both probably double the length of Avant longest career TD catch. 

 

You're penalizing Ward for running the depth of routes that the Eagles were calling.  Ward is better than Avant was. His hands are better, he's quicker and unlike Avant, Ward doesn't shrink in big moments. 

Ward’s TD bs the Bengals was the result of being uncovered. I don’t recall the other TD you’re talking about. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Ok... so let him be our RZ weapon because he isn’t good anywhere else. 

But in all seriousness, touchdowns aren’t really predictive. There’s randomness involved. The bigger sample size shows him being a smaller, slower receiver with good hands and poor separation skills. 

He’s simply not good enough. 

 

He's not good enough? Not good enough for what? 

5 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

Yeah actually not that difficult.  I think they just need to restructure Lane and extend Graham for something that brings his cap hit this year down to around 9 million.

Nice. Keeping the trade dreams alive.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Ward’s TD bs the Bengals was the result of being uncovered. I don’t recall the other TD you’re talking about. 

 

Hurts first TD pass against the Packers. 

 

 

 

 

Also did Jason Avant ever make a catch as impressive as this? I certainly don't remember one. 

 

 

Regardless, Avant averaged 12.1 YPC with the Eagles, and 7.7 per target. Ward is at 8.3 and 5.7.

Ward doesn’t make plays past linebacker depth. He doesn’t make people miss. He doesn’t separate. 

He catches the ball, and that’s about it. 

jfc RTK just stop with the Ward nonsense.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He's not good enough? Not good enough for what? 

To be our slot. And because he’s not a good PR that makes him an iffy WR4-5 too. 

38 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

I know it’s about who you know.

What I am saying is that is an antiquated old school mentality.  But I wouldn’t expect a bunch of meatheads to be innovative lol.

 

But it's not. Information is grossly ignored in Economics, but the one thing I couldn't find an answer for in graduate school is how do you value information before you obtain it? And 30 years later there still is no answer. Judging a coach's potential requires information about his job performance, and that's mostly either first hand (you work with him) or second hand (you talk to people you trust who worked with him). You can interview someone, but it's hard to separate interview skills (sounds good) from job skills (actually performs). I've come across a lot of people who can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Is he a good coach on a bad team, a bad coach being carried by a talented team?

There is no "innovative" way to get around the information problem when it comes to determining the existence and value of "intangibles" that lack reliable metrics. It's tough enough with players, it's tougher with coaches. Which is why so many HC hires go bad, and why media evaluation of those hires is mostly useless.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Regardless, Avant averaged 12.1 YPC with the Eagles, and 7.7 per target. Ward is at 8.3 and 5.7.

Ward doesn’t make plays past linebacker depth. He doesn’t make people miss. He doesn’t separate. 

He catches the ball, and that’s about it. 

 

"He catches the ball, and that's about it."

 

Yeah that's all Avant did.  Difference is that Ward does that and has a developed habit of doing it at big clutch moments of games. 

 

But hey Ward is a complete bum to this fanbase while Avant is glorified. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Regardless, Avant averaged 12.1 YPC with the Eagles, and 7.7 per target. Ward is at 8.3 and 5.7.

Ward doesn’t make plays past linebacker depth. He doesn’t make people miss. He doesn’t separate. 

He catches the ball, and that’s about it. 

To be fair, I'm not judging any Eagle WR off last season.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To be our slot. And because he’s not a good PR that makes him an iffy WR4-5 too. 

 

So you don't even believe he is good enough to play in the NFL? Iffy 4-5, not even worthy of being on a roster. 

 

Absolutely ridiculous. 

With KC up against the cap and having just cut both of their tackles, I wonder what they might offer for Dillard.

 

Why are we slandering Avant?

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

But it's not. Information is grossly ignored in Economics, but the one thing I couldn't find an answer for in graduate school is how do you value information before you obtain it? And 30 years later there still is no answer. Judging a coach's potential requires information about his job performance, and that's mostly either first hand (you work with him) or second hand (you talk to people you trust who worked with him). You can interview someone, but it's hard to separate interview skills (sounds good) from job skills (actually performs). I've come across a lot of people who can talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Is he a good coach on a bad team, a bad coach being carried by a talented team?

There is no "innovative" way to get around the information problem when it comes to determining the existence and value of "intangibles" that lack reliable metrics. It's tough enough with players, it's tougher with coaches. Which is why so many HC hires go bad, and why media evaluation of those hires is mostly useless.

going through grad school twice myself, you are asking the wrong question. You cant value that information before you have it... because it is risk, not information. Economics should have versed you better on risk v reward if you were paying attention. Its why Behavioral Economics has been such a revelation - people make irrational decisions all the time and we, as humans, are pretty awful at judging risk.

One of the great things you learn in the Life Sciences (often the hard way) is how to be comfortable making decisions on incomplete data sets. Because every data set is incomplete.

At this point, I want to cut Greg Ward to never hear this argument again.

Remember that time in 2013 against the Cowboys when Nick Foles threw a pass to Avant in the endzone and it bounced off his hands/chest up in the sky for an interception? 

 

Remember that playoff game in 2010 against the Packers when Avant dropped a TD pass right in his hands on 3rd down? 

 

 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

At this point, I want to cut Greg Ward to never hear this argument again.

I will keep Ward over Jjaw

Impact on the cap after Hargrave update.

With guarantees given to restructure for this year, Howie has decreased the 2022-2023 cap 66.5 million to shave 25.7 million this year.

Some of that will come back after the June1 cuts process, but you can see how this mismanagement is not going to go away soon.

Still do not have the numbers on Seumalo, Kelce and Hargrave for 2025, but we have 22.2 million tied to Johnson and Slay for 2025.  Slay is a dummy year to spread cap hits, and it will be the same with Seumalo, Kelce and Hargrave.  Could approach 40 million in cap space allocated to 35 year old Lane Johnson and 4 dummy contracts.

I have to say it @austinfan, but the one thing Howie was supposedly good at, he is crippling this team for years with.

 

	2021 ( 67 )	2022 ( 39 )	2023 ( 24 )	2024 ( 11 ) ( 12 )	2025 ( 1 ) ( 5 )
Start - 03-04	$43,187,668.00	$73,325,877.00	$136,813,917.00	$207,502,060.00
Slay update - 03-05	$34,297,668.00	$71,140,877.00	$134,528,917.00	$202,932,060.00	$230,456,000.00
Kelce update - 03-10	$29,272,668.00	$43,455,877.00	$112,373,917.00	$204,332,060.00	$233,706,000.00
Seumalo update - 03-10	$26,873,468.00	$43,365,877.00	$109,631,917.00	$204,948,060.00	tbd after Seumalo
Hargrave update - 03-11	$17,465,468.00	$41,013,877.00	$102,575,917.00	$204,948,060.00	tbd after Hargrave
Difference	$25,722,200.00	$32,312,000.00	$34,238,000.00
	Total impact 2022-23	$66,550,000.00

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

For not a starting level WR, he led the team with 6 TDs.  The other WR combined for a total of 8, Fulgham had 4 of those in his HOF stretch and the others had 1 each.

Again, if you can upgrade him in the slot go ahead.  However, he is the least of their worries.

Because the team sucked