1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Ward is better than Avant now? Holy cow. This is why we argue so much about Ward.

Yeah, no

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That's an ignorant take.  Ward was a college QB and he made himself into a serviceable slot WR.  Not great.  But not the bum you hot take guys are claiming he is.  You think our team was so deep with weapons back then that Mahe couldn't get on the field?  The dude couldn't even hold down PR duties.  There are so many other worthy punching bags on this team than Ward.  Pretty tone deaf TBH.  

Hot take is an overused and ineffective term on message boards, sort of like Greg Ward being an overused and ineffective WR on the Eagles.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will keep Ward over Jjaw

I would take a lawn mower that doesn't start over JJAW

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No.  It's a hot take to compare him to Reno Mahe.....thanks for chiming in.  

Ok.  It's a dumb opinion.  How's that?  

 

 

So you wouldn't upgrade Ward if you got the chance? 

52 minutes ago, austinfan said:

To be fair, I'm not judging any Eagle WR off last season.

What about the year before when he did the exact same thing?

52 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So you don't even believe he is good enough to play in the NFL? Iffy 4-5, not even worthy of being on a roster. 

 

Absolutely ridiculous. 

WR4-5s either better be very talented developmental guys or play special teams. 

54 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

"He catches the ball, and that's about it."

 

Yeah that's all Avant did.  Difference is that Ward does that and has a developed habit of doing it at big clutch moments of games. 

 

But hey Ward is a complete bum to this fanbase while Avant is glorified. 

Actually, both are/were JAG’s. They should be easily replaceable on a good team. We just aren’t. 

I'm mocking Tylan Wallace at 84. Ward is fine as a BU. But really,unless we're dumber than 5 boxes of rocks(which is always possible with Howie) I'm busting me arse to get Pitts at 6. There is ZERO way I want him to go to the Gnats or the bent stars 

Greg Ward is fine as the slot receiver.  You can't have 5 Julio Jones on your roster, gotta have role players.

Greg Ward's biggest problem is the #1 and #2 WR's are not good enough to dictate coverage making the #3 and #4 WR's job easier with single and blown coverages.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

WR4-5s either better be very talented developmental guys or play special teams. 

 

Ward doesn't play special teams?  News to me. 

14 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh it's renown NFL scout Thor Nystrom....

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Greg Ward is fine as the slot receiver.  You can't have 5 Julio Jones on your roster, gotta have role players.

Greg Ward's biggest problem is the #1 and #2 WR's are not good enough to dictate coverage making the #3 and #4 WR's job easier with single and blown coverages.

Cripes, can we retire BS like "you can’t have 5 Julio Jones on your roster?” No one is suggesting we have five Julios and there’s a huge difference between upgrading from Ward and having a Hall of Famer at the position. 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ward doesn't play special teams?  News to me. 

Not well. He’s a terrible PR. 

36 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

going through grad school twice myself, you are asking the wrong question. You cant value that information before you have it... because it is risk, not information. Economics should have versed you better on risk v reward if you were paying attention. Its why Behavioral Economics has been such a revelation - people make irrational decisions all the time and we, as humans, are pretty awful at judging risk.

One of the great things you learn in the Life Sciences (often the hard way) is how to be comfortable making decisions on incomplete data sets. Because every data set is incomplete.

No, information and risk are different. Information is necessary to assess risk, but since information is always incomplete, risk assessment is always somewhat inaccurate.

And of course, you have to distinguish risk (which assumes you have a general grasp of the relevant distribution) from uncertainty ("unknown unknowns") where you don't know the distribution or even that there is a distribution (Black Swans).

One value of information is better risk assessment, but again, how much do you spend for that improvement? The funniest thing I came across was the assumption that you'd pay up to the marginal value of information - but how do you know that marginal value until AFTER you purchase information?

Now distributions can change over time, which explains the Bayesian approach, make an initial estimate of the distribution, then adjust as new information becomes available. Take floods in Houston, due to both the increase in impervious coverage, and increases in intense rainfall events partially due to climate change, the hundred year flood has become a three times a decade flood. Unfortunately for homeowners and insurance companies, this change wasn't obvious ex ante.

What were your fields of study?

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

???  Huh?   When did I say that or how was that ever the point?

 

I would like to upgrade all over the place.  Slot WR is not on the top of my priority list.  I just said comparing him to Reno Mahe was rather dumb, silly, hot take....whatever the acceptable term is in here.  Never said he was great.  Never said we should lock him into his spot on the team for the foreseeable future.  But again...how and why would a team with so many holes and so little money care to upgrade at the slot position?  OLine, Dline, Secondary, RB, Outside WR, Linebacker are all more pressing holes and bigger long term concerns than the slot WR.  

 

Ward is not Julian Edelmen, I get it.  He's not Reno Mahe though.....for god sakes.  

Lol okay well he's the equivalent in my eyes but, okay. I think Reno was okay at what he did and that's the way I feel about Ward. But either one could be easily upgraded.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Oh it's renown NFL scout Thor Nystrom....

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Greg Ward is fine as the slot receiver.  You can't have 5 Julio Jones on your roster, gotta have role players.

Greg Ward's biggest problem is the #1 and #2 WR's are not good enough to dictate coverage making the #3 and #4 WR's job easier with single and blown coverages.

Yep. Get Ward on a dime back and he has an edge, match up against most starting CBs and he's in trouble.

33 minutes ago, RLC said:

At this point, I want to cut Greg Ward to never hear this argument again.

The names change but the arguments remain the same 

Hmm

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Cripes, can we retire BS like "you can’t have 5 Julio Jones on your roster?” No one is suggesting we have five Julios and there’s a huge difference between upgrading from Ward and having a Hall of Famer at the position. 

Here is some other teams #3 WR's.  I guarantee your are not taking all of these guys over Greg Ward

Tim Patrick, Jalen Guyton, Damiere Byrd, Cameron Batson, Danny Amendola, Chad Beebe, Marquez Callaway, Dante Pettis, Steven Sims.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What about the year before when he did the exact same thing?

Eagles haven't had good coaching for a couple years on offense, Doug ran through his bag of tricks.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A team with an old Oline.....No linebackers.....Bad or old safeties......old and underwelming defensive ends......questions of depth at RB.....one decent cornerback........no real outside receiving threat worth a damn...... no depth at TE (seemingly)..............option #10 as Head Coach......a boy bond as a coaching staff...........a 5 foot accountant GM who can't draft or manage the cap.....................a woke owner who thinks he's Al Davis.......................

 

and we have guys in here wringing their hands over a slot WR?  

 

 

Holy F....

And no money to upgrade that position due to the cap mismanagement, and lack of developing the players picked by the same guy who is mismanaging the cap.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eagles haven't had good coaching for a couple years on offense, Doug ran through his bag of tricks.

Coaching is not going to save JJAWful, not going to make Reagor a true #1.  All of these problems start with Howie Roseman.  Can't even upgrade Greg Ward with a guy like Kendrick Bourne because Howie has mismanaged the cap.  

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Here is some other teams #3 WR's.  I guarantee your are not taking all of these guys over Greg Ward

Tim Patrick, Jalen Guyton, Damiere Byrd, Cameron Batson, Danny Amendola, Chad Beebe, Marquez Callaway, Dante Pettis, Steven Sims.

You’re really using current depth charts and not in-season depth charts to determine that guys like Batson and Callaway are their team’s WR3? The only reason they’re there is because the players ahead of them were cut for cap purposes or are FAs. 

But for giggles, without question I’d rather have Patrick. Hell, Byrd, Guyton, Amendola, Sims are all better than Ward. 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And no money to upgrade that position due to the cap mismanagement, and lack of developing the players picked by the same guy who is mismanaging the cap.

Slot receiver is an extremely replaceable position, just like #2 RB which this team massively screwed up last year as well.

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eagles haven't had good coaching for a couple years on offense, Doug ran through his bag of tricks.

Yeah, Pederson was really holding back Greg Ward.