8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

A team with an old Oline.....No linebackers.....Bad or old safeties......old and underwelming defensive ends......questions of depth at RB.....one decent cornerback........no real outside receiving threat worth a damn...... no depth at TE (seemingly)..............option #10 as Head Coach......a boy bond as a coaching staff...........a 5 foot accountant GM who can't draft or manage the cap.....................a woke owner who thinks he's Al Davis.......................

 

and we have guys in here wringing their hands over a slot WR?  

 

 

Holy F....

Don’t forget one good outside corner and an overrated slot CB 

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The names change but the arguments remain the same 

There is not a more iconic duo than Eagles fans and the love of 5th string WR's

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hmm

I love Amari Rodgers.  You want to upgrade over Ward, he's the perfect guy for it.

Since Chiefs cut both starting Tackles, what could we finagle them out of for Dillard? Dillard and one of your comp 6's for #63?

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Greg Ward is fine as the slot receiver.  You can't have 5 Julio Jones on your roster, gotta have role players.

Greg Ward's biggest problem is the #1 and #2 WR's are not good enough to dictate coverage making the #3 and #4 WR's job easier with single and blown coverages.

I don't think that's Ward's biggest problem. Slot receivers are almost always going to be matching up against a safety/LB or 3rd CB.  They should have some level of athletic advantage over that player. Really effective slot receivers tend to have both some level of athletic advantage and are exception route runners.  I think Avant was effective as a route runner and had decent enough size.  Agholor had better speed and shiftiness and that made him effective.    Ward is never going to be the type of athlete that will have a real athletic advantage over most of the defenders covering him.  He will have to develop as an exceptional route runner to win consistently.  If he does develop in that type of player, then he will become an effective and productive slot receiver.   He's not been productive or looked that effective as of yet.  He's not a rookie. He's going into his 5th season professionally.  This is a make or break season for him.  He's not done enough at this point to merit a roster spot based on past production.  He hasn't done enough to show that there's not a need to upgrade the position.  If they draft a WR, he's certainly not a lock for the roster because he doesn't have the upside of either Watkins or Hightower and they're not going to move on from Reagor or Fulgham.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That all goes without saying.  We only have so many chances to "UPGRADE" a position this year.  Slot WR is way down on the list.   Sometimes, people pick the wrong players to obsess about.  I think......no.....I KNOW.....some in here bring up Ward because they are angling for Pitts.  Of course that would be an upgrade.  But the idea is not to be sitting at #6 or worse every year.  We need a haul of good young cheap talent that can grow together.  Not a freak slot WR.  Ward is the punching bag now because some are so obsessed with having the new toy to replace him with.  The logical position to take is to do what is best for building a foundation for the future and that would be a corner, d lineman or o lineman.  Obviously there are questions with this draft at those spots and not at WR or whatever Pitts is.  Everyone knows my desire to trade down.....easier said than done.......But I am convinced that if Pitts wasn't an option in this years draft, the light would not be so bright on Ward.  

Pretty much this.  However, I think Pitts and Reagor on the outside with Ward in the slot would be a nice thing.  Or you have Fulgham and Pitts on the outside, put Reagor in the slot and Ward becomes #4.

Your post earlier nailed it though.  There are probably 15 positions on the team I would consider upgrading before I get to Greg Ward.

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Yep. Get Ward on a dime back and he has an edge, match up against most starting CBs and he's in trouble.

I think Ward needs someone to forget to cover him to have an edge.  That’s what generated most of his big plays.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I said one decent corner.....I wouldn't even say he is good.  Just decent....at least last year.

 

But you're right.  We need to focus on upgrading the slot CB since that is such a focus of NFL offenses now.....

I’m more irritated with maddox that they continue to believe the kid who’s been hurt every year in the league and basically bad on the outside since his rookie year can play the outside. Frankly i don’t think maddox is that good of a slot corner. He was dead last in multiple categories in 2019 before sendejo took him out and then when they moved him to the outside he wasn’t good. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I said one decent corner.....I wouldn't even say he is good.  Just decent....at least last year.

 

But you're right.  We need to focus on upgrading the slot CB since that is such a focus of NFL offenses now.....

It's funny though.  Patrick Robinson, Avonte Maddox, LeBlanc, NRC.  Outside of Robinsons out of nowhere 2017 season the Eagles who seem to focus on the slot corner fail to get a good one.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No, information and risk are different. Information is necessary to assess risk, but since information is always incomplete, risk assessment is always somewhat inaccurate.

And of course, you have to distinguish risk (which assumes you have a general grasp of the relevant distribution) from uncertainty ("unknown unknowns") where you don't know the distribution or even that there is a distribution (Black Swans).

One value of information is better risk assessment, but again, how much do you spend for that improvement? The funniest thing I came across was the assumption that you'd pay up to the marginal value of information - but how do you know that marginal value until AFTER you purchase information?

Now distributions can change over time, which explains the Bayesian approach, make an initial estimate of the distribution, then adjust as new information becomes available. Take floods in Houston, due to both the increase in impervious coverage, and increases in intense rainfall events partially due to climate change, the hundred year flood has become a three times a decade flood. Unfortunately for homeowners and insurance companies, this change wasn't obvious ex ante.

What were your fields of study?

lack of information is what creates the risk in your scenario, no? the "known unknown" you can't quantitatively model off the outliers or the unknown unknowns - that's the whole point. you are making a circular argument to hear yourself blather on again.

you are correct to say risk is a function of probability, but you are missing what's behind that - the concept of "hazard". that is the inherent danger of an item/event/etc. A popular example is an asteroid hit. highly hazardous....but what's the risk? low. 

so extend this concept to a coach. what is the actual hazard and risk? not much. time for core players (window of opportunity)...the money you pay them....but that's at risk no matter who you hire so imho it moot b/c you have to hire someone.  will it make the team not profitable? nope. bad PR? maybe a little. ding the owner's/GM egos? now we are getting somewhere that can drive bad risk assessment and irrational behavior...

my science/business background pretty much makes me risk mitigation embodied. It's the core of my expertise.

 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not even close.  Nice try though.  

 

Why is it always two extremes in here?  You either hate Ward or love him?  You either hate Wentz or hate Hurts?  You either walk around in your underwear in your backyard on a March saturday or you stay in the house.....

 

 

oh wait

Are you kidding? Eagles fans always have an extreme obsession for Jag WR's. Paul Turner, DeAndre Carter, Marcus Johnson, Rasheed Bailey, you can even add Travis Fulgham to the mix. Every 1-2 years it's a new WR fans swoon for and over value.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

It's funny though.  Patrick Robinson, Avonte Maddox, LeBlanc, NRC.  Outside of Robinsons out of nowhere 2017 season the Eagles who seem to focus on the slot corner fail to get a good one.

Vincent Jr plz k thx bye

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not even close.  Nice try though.  

 

Why is it always two extremes in here?  You either hate Ward or love him?  You either hate Wentz or hate Hurts?  You either walk around in your underwear in your backyard on a March saturday or you stay in the house.....

 

 

oh wait

I’m pretty hateful to the entire organization at the moment. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think Ward needs someone to forget to cover him to have an edge.  That’s what generated most of his big plays.

What big plays? 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are you kidding? Eagles fans always have an extreme obsession for Jag WR's. Paul Turner, DeAndre Carter, Marcus Johnson, Rasheed Bailey, you can even add Travis Fulgham to the mix. Every 1-2 years it's a new WR fans swoon for and over value.

Paul turnerZzzzzzzZzzzzz. I remember the time when someone said he would be a starting WR in the Nfl for a decade. 

19 minutes ago, greend said:

Lol okay well he's the equivalent in my eyes but, okay. I think Reno was okay at what he did and that's the way I feel about Ward. But either one could be easily upgraded.

I agree if we're talking about maybe 28 or 29 other teams.  It should be easy to find a quick twitch slot guy that can create separation in a phone booth in maybe the 4th-6th rounds of the draft.  I don't have faith that Howie can do that at all.  

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Vincent Jr plz k thx bye

who?

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There is not a more iconic duo than Eagles fans and the love of 5th string WR's and power backs

FYP

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

who?

LSU nickle corner. starter day 1

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re really using current depth charts and not in-season depth charts to determine that guys like Batson and Callaway are their team’s WR3? The only reason they’re there is because the players ahead of them were cut for cap purposes or are FAs. 

But for giggles, without question I’d rather have Patrick. Hell, Byrd, Guyton, Amendola, Sims are all better than Ward. 

2020 stats

Greg Ward, 53 catches for 419 yards and 6 TD's

Tim Patrick, 51, 742, 6

Byrd, 47, 604, 1

Guyton, 28, 511, 3

Amendola, 46, 602, 0

Sims, 27, 265, 1

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

FYP

Can't wait to get our hands on Rhamondre Stevensonzzz

I really hope this cursed the Mets to never win another World Series 

 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Can't wait to get our hands on Rhamondre Stevensonzzz

You had me at 247 poundzzzzzzz

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Paul turnerZzzzzzzZzzzzz. I remember the time when someone said he would be a starting WR in the Nfl for a decade. 

Yea, the outrage when he was cut was hilarious.

Dont like DJ hyping up Pitts to the Eagles

the middle of the field is where Hurts struggles and you already have Goedert.  The only way Pitts is smart is if you can believe he can be a true WR. but if you want a true WR just take one, not another project.