14 million for one year , for Cam

i think they draft a QB , Jones , Mills and Mond , 3 of my favorite and all would be a Pats move 

5 days for teams to get under the cap , will be a busy weekend and early next week .

That Inquirer article needs a 2nd read, but it's quite a hit job isn't it?

On 3/11/2021 at 11:48 PM, Swoop said:

I don't know based on his first four, but I do know that over the span of his first year from the first to second half his completion percentage was essentially the same, he passed for more yards in the second half, he had a higher YPA in the second half, he averaged more rushing yards per attempt, etc.

You can cling to four games if you want, but the fact of the matter is Allen, despite teams having an entire seasons worth of tape on him, managed to perform, at the very least, the same from one half to another. Teams adjusting didn't drastically shut him down.

You can argue until you're blue in the face, but you'll continue to be wrong. Jalen Hurts got his ass handed to him once teams adjusted. 

 

Ohhhh so over his first four starts this doesn't ring true but over the course of his entire rookie year you say he began to improve in his second half performance? 

How very interesting. It's ALMOST as if you are saying that rookie Josh Allen improved as he gained more expierence.  How very very interesting.

 

Of course though we both obviously know that there is no possible way whatsoever that Jalen Hurts will too improve as he gains more expierence.  No, that would be wayyyyy too foolish to think. 

 

Instead we must take the far more logical course of thought which you have taken and not compare the first four starts of Allen's career, since Jalen's first and only four starts are what you are writing and finishing the book of his pro career on, but instead give Allen the benefit of the learned expierence that he gained by playing a near full season and take his improvements that he made later in the season and compare that to the four starts of Hurts instead of just looking at Allen's first four career starts. 

 

 

Makes COMPLETE sense.  I get it now! No biased hate towards Hurts from you whatsoever.  

Cam get high end back up QB money. 
 

I don’t see the issue there. They could still draft someone 

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Was just gonna post the link. AF is gonna have fun defending Howie after this article. 

Just a warning, it’s a long read, fellas. 

Didn't know about the issue between him and Lane

 

 

@PaulHembo

·

6m

 

Cam Newton Pass TD in last 19 starts (dating to Week 14 of 2018):

0

0

0

0

0

1

1

0

0

0

0

1

1

0

1

0

0

0

3

8 total

48 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Pats glory days are over , they will eventually be a competitive team again , but their success was much much more because of Brady , and not Belichick 

Yup, he should have retired

17 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

 

@PaulHembo

·

6m

 

Cam Newton Pass TD in last 19 starts (dating to Week 14 of 2018):

0

0

0

0

0

1

1

0

0

0

0

1

1

0

1

0

0

0

3

8 total

I don’t think you can look at those numbers without looking at the rushing TDs. QBs don’t just pass anymore. 

3 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t think you can look at those numbers without looking at the rushing TDs. QBs don’t just pass anymore. 

Quality QBs pass for TDS not run for them  .

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I don’t think you can look at those numbers without looking at the rushing TDs. QBs don’t just pass anymore. 

Yea only the good ones do.

33 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) hes probably going to start

2) hes should be on the couch and is no where close to a high end back up

 

Maybe to start the season but it'd be shocking if the Patriots didn't draft a QB in ty first 2-3 rounds with the intention of trying to develop into the starter. 

1 hour ago, John_C said:

Absolute must read...

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/a/howie-roseman-philadelphia-eagles-jeffrey-lurie-20210312.html

Way too generous and more than fair to both men, but lots of insight and information that he took time to investigate and compile.

My expectations for the Eagles have never been lower.  Continued hope that the owner makes changes, before he ruins the time he has left to enjoy the team having success.

Honestly, I’m surprised Lurie and Howie didn’t cater to Pederson more. He seems like the perfect type of coach to deal with all the dysfunction.

I’m not sure Nick has the temperament.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Was just gonna post the link. AF is gonna have fun defending Howie after this article. 

Just a warning, it’s a long read, fellas. 

Afan's upcoming defense or the original article?

Not sure what's going on with Belichick.  This is why, sometimes, you don't want a football guy managing personnel decisions.

At times, the guy is an evil genius.  Others, it's like he doesn't know what players to pick and add to save his life.

It was plain to see, last year, that Cam Newton was incapable of running an NFL offense.  There are innumerable better options.  Draft a rookie.  Try to coach the INT's out of Winston (we make fun of him, but the dude can pass).  Trade for Jimmy G.  Give Alex Smith a prosthetic leg.  Get Nick Foles.  Literally any of them can at least handle an offense.  Cam looks like watching a defensive end try to play QB.  I won't even glorify his performance by comparing him to a TE on the offensive side of the ball.

How could the best coach in NFL history be signing up for this?  Unless it's a huge investment in draft misdirection...

$14 million for Cam coming off a down year makes zero sense to me. QB contracts are inflated, sure, but not thaaaat much. They'd be better off re-signing Brissett for that much.

Edit: Turns out, the Pats seemingly didn't want the language "...worth up to..." in the reporting of the contract, but that's exactly what it is, which makes total sense. Probably gets $14 million if he wins the Super Bowl or something.

 

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Honestly, I’m surprised Lurie and Howie didn’t cater to Pederson more. He seems like the perfect type of coach to deal with all the dysfunction.

I’m not sure Nick has the temperament.

What NFL team doesn't have a high level of dysfunction? Everyone is always complaining about everyone else to the media through anonymous sources. I mean, look at our division. WFT was basically using its cheerleaders as escorts. And that's probably the second-best run team in the division. The Giants had first round picks robbing people at parties. Look at how the Cowboys handled Dak. Are we really concerned about Lurie when that kind of stuff is going on?

Just now, Thrive said:

Honestly, I’m surprised Lurie and Howie didn’t cater to Pederson more. He seems like the perfect type of coach to deal with all the dysfunction.

I’m not sure Nick has the temperament.

He does have the personality they prefer... I'm sure he listened, pandered to them, gave unwarranted deference to their input, etc.  It worked well for a while there.  Then they pushed him around for a bit, but eventually everyone has a limit.  Pederson finally stood up for himself.  He allowed way too much up until that point.  The first time they tried to dictate the coaching staff should have been the last time.  He actually had leverage when they did it initially.  Response should have been "If you don't trust me to put together the staff I think I need, I'm not the right guy here."  It is one thing to accept input.... when he accepted outright orders and interference, it was essentially over.

No idea what any of these new guys including Siriani are like and what they will tolerate.  Hopefully their eyes are wide open and they understand the insane level of dysfunction here, and are prepare to deal with the meddling owner that believes he knows everything better than everyone else and likes to exercise his power in many ways... generally acting through his lackey.

7 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Honestly, I’m surprised Lurie and Howie didn’t cater to Pederson more. He seems like the perfect type of coach to deal with all the dysfunction.

I’m not sure Nick has the temperament.

Well, they did and they didn't.

Doug was never "big balls Doug."  Doug let them indirectly call those shots because their analytics dictated these decisions.  And they were happy to keep Doug as a total pushover, proxy coach.

Things became a problem when "big balls Doug" actually grew a modest pair and wanted to make his own decisions.  Not saying those decisions would have been good ones, but that's exactly what got Doug fired.

Siriani is here to be a young Doug.  His first press conference certainly had him looking the part.  

19 minutes ago, Thrive said:

Honestly, I’m surprised Lurie and Howie didn’t cater to Pederson more. He seems like the perfect type of coach to deal with all the dysfunction.

I’m not sure Nick has the temperament.

 

It's because Pederson wanted some more say on things which would have required Howie to give up some of his authority.  That snake Roseman wants no part of giving up any of this authority ever again which is why it went down and why unsurprisingly they hired someone like Sirianni who like Pederson at first won't be pushing for anything extra and is just ultra grateful that a team would actually hire him as a HC. 

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well, they did and they didn't.

Doug was never "big balls Doug."  Doug let them indirectly call those shots because their analytics dictated these decisions.  And they were happy to keep Doug as a total pushover, proxy coach.

Things became a problem when "big balls Doug" actually grew a modest pair and wanted to make his own decisions.  Not saying those decisions would have been good ones, but that's exactly what got Doug fired.

Siriani is here to be a young Doug.  His first press conference certainly had him looking the part.  

 

As a play caller though you cannot discredit Doug and his large balls.  He was consistently the most aggressive play caller in the league on 4th downs and 2 point conversions.  That didn't always work out but that was an aspect of his play calling that I always appreciated and I hope Sirianni can at least show some of that se aggressiveness. 

 

Nothing worse in this league today than an overly conservative play caller. 

Football isn't really a great sport for analytics, not yet at least.

The power (numbers/reps) is not as good as baseball and there are too many variables.  

In baseball, a batter sees seemingly innumerable fastballs up and in, change-ups low and away.  You KNOW what they can and cannot hit.  You KNOW what a walk does, statistically, to a chance of scoring runs vs a base hit.  You know how launch angle impacts scoring runs, slugging, etc.  You KNOW what the shift is going to do for a specific hitter's OBP.

Going for it on 4th and 2 on your 40 yard line?  Well, how is your OL playing?  How often does YOUR offense convert 3rd and 2?  How many 3rd and 2's does your offense see in an entire year?  Compare that to how many down and out changeups a hitter sees in a year.  

 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

As a play caller though you cannot discredit Doug and his large balls.  He was consistently the most aggressive play caller in the league on 4th downs and 2 point conversions.  That didn't always work out but that was an aspect of his play calling that I always appreciated and I hope Sirianni can at least show some of that se aggressiveness. 

 

Nothing worse in this league today than an overly conservative play caller. 

He had a mandate from above to do that.  

I bash Lowie for a lot of things, but that aggressive play calling philosophy came from above.

I generally prefer that very aggressive play calling as well.  And I don't think it came from Doug.

I'll take another 4-12 year to fire Howie. We're on the right track.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I really don't understand the Cam Newton move.

whats the guaranteed money? can they still release him later?