5 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'll take another 4-12 year to fire Howie. We're on the right track.

17 games next season; I would guess 7-10 record.

Who has the team lost that will make them worse?  Gerry, Mills, Jeffery, D-Jax?  Pederson being awful?  Schwartz going through the motions?  Wentz will be the only big loss from a talent standpoint, and it was arguable if Sirianni could get him back to form.

I’m looking forward to a team that isn’t ravaged by injuries, a coach that will balance the offense, and maybe even add 2-3 talented players in the draft instead of reaches and projects.

Sunshine, lollipops, rainbows everywhere ......

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

I'll take another 4-12 year to fire Howie. We're on the right track.

I think it would usve to be two more losing seasons. 

 

If they go 4-12 this year the excuse would be that it was a rebuilding "transition" year.  But if there isn't any improvement in 2022 that is when things become dangerous for Howie's job. 

22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

whats the guaranteed money? can they still release him later?

It's supposedly very incentive based

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Ohhhh so over his first four starts this doesn't ring true but over the course of his entire rookie year you say he began to improve in his second half performance? 

No, I'm saying that factually and statistically, he performed at the same level or in many ways better from one half to another. Both halves, mind you, were better than what Hurts did in the second half of games.

How very interesting. It's ALMOST as if you are saying that rookie Josh Allen improved as he gained more expierence.  How very very interesting.

No, what I'm saying is he was capable of adjusting when teams adjusted to him. When teams had film on him he was still capable of doing some things and scoring. Something that Hurts was woefully inept in. The numbers are out there so once again: teams adjusted, Jalen Hurts didn't.

Of course though we both obviously know though that there is no possible way whatsoever that Jalen Hurts will too improve as he gains more expierence.  No, that would be wayyyyy too foolish to think. 

No one has said this.

Instead we must take the far more logical course of thought which you have taken and not compare the first four starts of Allen's career, since Jalen's first and only four starts are what you are writing and finishing the book of his pro career on, but instead give Allen the benefit of the learned expierence that he gained by playing a near full season and take his improvements that he made later in the season and compare that to the four starts of Hurts instead of just looking at Allen's first four career starts. 

No one has said this. Myself and others are pointing out that there are some major red flags with Hurts and despite the fact that he was a rookie, these aren't things you want to see. Him taking off even more frequently once his first read is gone (because teams adjusted) is concerning. The fact that teams were also able to shut that down is concerning. The fact that he completed 46% of his passes once teams adjusted is concerning. The fact that he had a QB rating in the 50s once teams adjusted is concerning. The fact that his completion percentage in games started (once teams had more film on him) went from 57 > 55 > 54 > 35 is concerning.

 

Makes COMPLETE sense.  I get it now! No biased hate towards Hurts from you whatsoever.  

I don't hate Hurts and hope he plays well, but I am going to point out the serious concerns/flaws in his game thus far.

Responses in bold.

2 hours ago, John_C said:

Absolute must read...

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/a/howie-roseman-philadelphia-eagles-jeffrey-lurie-20210312.html

Way too generous and more than fair to both men, but lots of insight and information that he took time to investigate and compile.

My expectations for the Eagles have never been lower.  Continued hope that the owner makes changes, before he ruins the time he has left to enjoy the team having success.

Just read this, a lot to digest.

I think it paints Howie as the manipulative weasel most see him as.

The story of him and lane johnson in london is an appalling way for a GM to talk to a player even if Howie thought he was joking.

I wonder if Lurie reading this will be the first he's hearing of some of these issues as the article suggests he only hears what howie tells him...

 

Howie is somehow a top 5 GM in free agency/trades, and bottom 5 GM in the draft. If he could just let his scouts make picks...

15 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Think I crushed it 

 

 

I give this draft a Howie- grade. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Howie is somehow a top 5 GM in free agency/trades, and bottom 5 GM in the draft. If he could just let his scouts make picks...

I don't know how he can be top 5 in anything anymore. His days of pulling off "Howie" trades are further and further in the rear view mirror.  For Heavens sake he just traded the quarterback that he traded 2 1sts a 2nd and change to draft for a 3rd and conditional 2nd.  That alone takes him out of the top 5.  Then there's Golden Tate, Genard Avery, Darius Slay (sorry, not a good trade) and the hits keep on coming.  

I know it isn't related to FA/trades or the draft but the continual kicking the can down the road has got to come in to the equation too.

There could be 100 article written about how bad Howie has been and all Lurie needs to see is TOP 5 in 1 article and he's content.  

35 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Responses in bold.

I am diving into the stats of the first four starts.  One thing that jumps out immediately, Josh Allen had 27 carries in his first four starts.  Jalen Hurts had 18 in his first start, 46 total.  Josh Allen is not a one read and run QB, he is a QB who can run.

58 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

17 games next season; I would guess 7-10 record.

Who has the team lost that will make them worse?  Gerry, Mills, Jeffery, D-Jax?  Pederson being awful?  Schwartz going through the motions?  Wentz will be the only big loss from a talent standpoint, and it was arguable if Sirianni could get him back to form.

I’m looking forward to a team that isn’t ravaged by injuries, a coach that will balance the offense, and maybe even add 2-3 talented players in the draft instead of reaches and projects.

Sunshine, lollipops, rainbows everywhere ......

There is no one to lose.  
 

 

22 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I give this draft a Howie- grade. 

Yep.  Don't like either safety, 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am diving into the stats of the first four starts.  One thing that jumps out immediately, Josh Allen had 27 carries in his first four starts.  Jalen Hurts had 18 in his first start, 46 total.  Josh Allen is not a one read and run QB, he is a QB who can run.

I’ll be somewhat encouraged if he can get to 62% completion and 11 yards per completion, 2:1 TD/INT ratio.

All of the above are pedestrian in 2021 NFL; just not sure Hurts can get there.

36 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I give this draft a Howie- grade. 

Lol you crazy, but to each his own... 

56 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Responses in bold.

 

So again I ask you, can you please provide the statistical breakdown of how Josh Allen did in the first half compared to the second half in his first 4 career starts since you're apparently well informed on it as I am not and am curious in the backup support of your argument. 

 

 

3 hours ago, John_C said:

Absolute must read...

https://www.inquirer.com/sports/a/howie-roseman-philadelphia-eagles-jeffrey-lurie-20210312.html

Way too generous and more than fair to both men, but lots of insight and information that he took time to investigate and compile.

My expectations for the Eagles have never been lower.  Continued hope that the owner makes changes, before he ruins the time he has left to enjoy the team having success.

The lane Johnson part howie was lucky lane didn’t punch him right in the face. Also the coaches looking for other jobs prematurely and not wanting to work with the eagles front office speaks volumes. 

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So again I ask you, can you please provide the statistical breakdown of how Josh Allen did in the first half compared to the second half in his first 4 career starts since you're apparently well informed on it as I am not and am curious in the backup support of your argument. 

 

 

Working on it.

Jared Goff size baby hands

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Zero Chance this is a 7 win team

 

I don't expect much but at the same time I have no idea what Sirianni and the rest of the staff will be like.  The team also is playing in the weakest division in the League and all of the teams have significant question marks.  So who knows what will happen.  

9 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Lol you crazy, but to each his own... 

My opinions are objectively true.  

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am diving into the stats of the first four starts.  One thing that jumps out immediately, Josh Allen had 27 carries in his first four starts.  Jalen Hurts had 18 in his first start, 46 total.  Josh Allen is not a one read and run QB, he is a QB who can run.

 

Josh Allen second in the league for rushing yards for a QB since entering the league and also has the 4th most rushing yards for a QB after his first 3 seasons in league history. 

And for how much Josh Allen is a QB that can run but Jalen Hurts is a running QB who apparently can't throw because he's just a stupid low intelligence RB trying to play QB it is interesting how Jalen Hurts had more passing yards and passing TDs in his first four starts than Josh Allen did in his first four. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/15/lamar-jackson-josh-allen-lead-all-nfl-qbs-in-rushing-since-entering-the-league/

 

Just now, NCiggles said:

I don't expect much but at the same time I have no idea what Sirianni and the rest of the staff will be like.  The team also is playing in the weakest division in the League and all of the teams have significant question marks.  So who knows what will happen.  

7 wins isn't out of the question. Lions, Broncos stink. Falcons, Saints, 49ers, Raiders, Panthers have potential of stinking, and then the 17th game is against either Jets, Bengals or Jags. Then you have the NFCE which stinks.

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Josh Allen second in the league for rushing yards for a QB since entering the league and also has the 4th most rushing yards for a QB after his first 3 seasons in league history. 

And for how much Josh Allen is a QB that can run but Jalen Hurts is a running QB who apparently can't throw because he's just a stupid low intelligence RB trying to play QB it is interesting how Jalen Hurts had more passing yards and passing TDs in his first four starts than Josh Allen did in his first four. 

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/15/lamar-jackson-josh-allen-lead-all-nfl-qbs-in-rushing-since-entering-the-league/

 

Josh Allen's high in rushing attempts is 109.  Jalen Hurts starts extrapolated to 16 had him on pace for 196 rushing attempts.  Jalen Hurts had double digit carries in his first 2 starts, Josh Allen only has double digit carries 6 times in 3 seasons.

Still working on comparison, but Allen completed a higher percentage of passes in his first four starts.

Allen				Hurts
Comp	Att			Comp	Att
18	33			17	30
15	22			24	44
16	33			21	39
10	19			7	20
59	107	55.14%		69	133	51.88%

 

Just read the article

Lol how is Howie still employed?

Lurie is a big problem

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

7 wins isn't out of the question. Lions, Broncos stink. Falcons, Saints, 49ers, Raiders, Panthers have potential of stinking, and then the 17th game is against either Jets, Bengals or Jags. Then you have the NFCE which stinks.

True however those games against the Broncos, raiders are on the road. And not short road games traveling across the country. As well as Mile high is a tough place to play in general due to the altitude. Plus the eagles when the lions have stunk continued to find ways to lose to the lions. We haven’t beaten the lions since the snow bowl game and lost 4 out of 5. I am also curious to see what happens with the Panthers. At some point i think the texans cave and trade watson. I think that’s one of the more likely destinations. 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Responses in bold.

I am curious..what specific 2nd half adjustments were being made to effect Hurts' stats. Is it scheme or personnel? Why were teams not starting games with these adjustments once they had him figured out with such a small sample size? Are you confident there are no other explanations for his mediocre play?