4 hours ago, justrelax said:

You would use a headhunter to hire your staff?🤯

I used a headhunter on occasion to submit candidates for higher positions.  Not exclusively but as a resource for candidates.  The headhunters were specialized to specific industries and that helped.  

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Josh Allen's high in rushing attempts is 109.  Jalen Hurts starts extrapolated to 16 had him on pace for 196 rushing attempts.  Jalen Hurts had double digit carries in his first 2 starts, Josh Allen only has double digit carries 6 times in 3 seasons.

Still working on comparison, but Allen completed a higher percentage of passes in his first four starts.

Allen				Hurts
Comp	Att			Comp	Att
18	33			17	30
15	22			24	44
16	33			21	39
10	19			7	20
59	107	55.14%		69	133	51.88%

 

Josh Allen completed 3.26% more of his passes.  However:

-Jalen Hurts had a higher QB rating (77.2 vs 61.0)

-Jalen Hurts threw for more yards (919 vs 674)

-Jalen Hurts threw for more TDs (5 vs 2)

-Jalen Hurts threw less interceptions (3 vs 5)

-Jalen Hurts gained more yards per passing attempt (6.91 vs 6.30)

-Jalen Hurts posted a higher AY/A (6.65 vs 4.57)

And then yeah the rushing stats as well where Jalen Hurts far out produced Josh Allen.  Really by every statistical category except a 3% difference in completion percentage, Jalen Hurts outperformed Josh Allen when comparing their first 4 career starts. 

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Just put that idiot on mute. At this point I think he is Jalen Hurts

 

Wow, some of you really hate fact based discussions here.  Let's call someone an idiot for taking part in a discussion which both sides provide actual substantial backup to their arguments.  Stunning high level maturity. 

Wish I could just make smart posts like you and go off nothing at all but your intelligent feelings.  Emotional intelligence. 

14 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

He got some in there. Brown has nice potential, Brevin is a nice compliment to Goedert, Carman is Brooks like at G and Jefferson can be our Hines. 

Nah. No help at all. 

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Josh Allen completed 3.26% more of his passes.  However:

-Jalen Hurts had a higher QB rating (77.2 vs 61.0)

-Jalen Hurts threw for more yards (919 vs 674)

-Jalen Hurts threw for more TDs (5 vs 2)

-Jalen Hurts threw less interceptions (3 vs 5)

-Jalen Hurts gained more yards per passing attempt (6.91 vs 6.30)

-Jalen Hurts posted a higher AY/A (6.65 vs 4.57)

And then yeah the rushing stats as well where Jalen Hurts far out produced Josh Allen.  Really by every statistical category except a 3% difference in completion percentage, Jalen Hurts outperformed Josh Allen when comparing their first 4 career starts. 

Here is some stats, the ones that matter most.

Jalen Hurts, 1-3.  Josh Allen went 2-2 his first four, and 5-6 his first season. 

He also fumbled the same amount as Hurts playing more than double the snaps.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Here is some stats, the ones that matter most.

Jalen Hurts, 1-3.  Josh Allen went 2-2 his first four, and 5-6 his first season. 

He also fumbled the same amount as Hurts playing more than double the snaps.

lol...weak

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Wow, some of you really hate fact based discussions here.

You included.  Facts.  Hurts completed 45.9% of his passes in the second half, and led the Eagles to points on 2 of 22 possessions.

This has nothing to do with emotion, or hate of Jalen Hurts.  These are facts, and serious red flags.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Here is some stats, the ones that matter most.

Jalen Hurts, 1-3.  Josh Allen went 2-2 his first four, and 5-6 his first season. 

He also fumbled the same amount as Hurts playing more than double the snaps.

 

To be fair, Hurts was benched in the 4th quarter of the Washington game as part of a tank job with the Eagles down 3 points at the time.  It's fair to speculate that if Pederson was not trying to throw that game and had kept Hurts in, and furthermore taken the field goal at the end of the 3rd quarter down at the 4 yard line instead of going for it, that Hurts could have very well been 2-2 in his first 4 starts as well. 

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The lane Johnson part howie was lucky lane didn’t punch him right in the face. Also the coaches looking for other jobs prematurely and not wanting to work with the eagles front office speaks volumes. 

Yup not s great look to hear coaches are looking for an out mid season.

Again I wonder how much of this article will be brand new news to Lurie as the article suggests Lurie only knows what ever Howie tells him.👎

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You included.  Facts.  Hurts completed 45.9% of his passes in the second half, and led the Eagles to points on 2 of 22 possessions.

This has nothing to do with emotion, or hate of Jalen Hurts.  These are facts, and serious red flags.

 

Okay? You have one thing to latch onto to justify your Hurts hate.  Unlike you I don't see that as this defining stat that concludes for Jalen Hurts career as a professional QB that he is going to be terrible and has no chance at improving as he gains expierence and enters his second season in the NFL. 

 

Now if that second half stat you so love turns out to be the same in his second season carried out over the course of the full season then you will have a very legitimate point.  But for now with such a small sample size for a rookie QB it is a bit ridiculous how strongly you are pitching your tent to that as a way to disregard all the other promise he had flashed in his rookie season to the point that you aren't even willing to entertain the idea that he can develop into a quality QB. 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Here is some stats, the ones that matter most.

Jalen Hurts, 1-3.  Josh Allen went 2-2 his first four, and 5-6 his first season. 

He also fumbled the same amount as Hurts playing more than double the snaps.

 

Also follow up on this.  You're saying Allen had the same amount of fumbles while playing more than double the snaps in those first 4 starts?  Is that correct?

 

However Hurts had more passing attempts and rushing attempts.  How is that then a negative slant towards Hurts if all that says is that Allen was handing off the ball a lot more to RBs but when he had the ball in his hands for passing and rushing attempts far less than Hurts that he also fumbled the same amount of Hurts? 

 

For the record I think Hurts and his fumbles is by far the biggest concern woth him going forward but that was just a really odd point for you to try and make. 

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Okay? You have one thing to latch onto to justify your Hurts hate.  Unlike you I don't see that as this defining stat that concludes for Jalen Hurts career as a professional QB that he is going to be terrible and has no chance at improving as he gains expierence and enters his second season in the NFL. 

 

Now if that second half stat you so love turns out to be the same in his second season carried out over the course of the full season then you will have a very legitimate point.  But for now with such a small sample size for a rookie QB it is a bit ridiculous how strongly you are pitching your tent to that as a way to disregard all the other promise he had flashed in his rookie season to the point that you aren't even willing to entertain the idea that he can develop into a quality QB. 

Look at Mcnabb, 2-6 as a starter in his rookie year, 8 tds 7 int 49% passer.

He turned out ok.

I think if Siriani can get to some stability around hurts and generate stats for him like Reid did with mcnabb than hurts will be ok.

Of course mcnabb had one thing hurts doesn't, a rocket for an arm, hurts arm strength is questionable though guys over the years like brees and brady have improved their arm strength so we'll see.

 

 

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

To be fair, Hurts was benched in the 4th quarter of the Washington game as part of a tank job with the Eagles down 3 points at the time.  It's fair to speculate that if Pederson was not trying to throw that game and had kept Hurts in, and furthermore taken the field goal at the end of the 3rd quarter down at the 4 yard line instead of going for it, that Hurts could have very well been 2-2 in his first 4 starts as well. 

I am wondering what it is about this stat line, coupled with his second half production that I have already discussed, that leads you to believe he would win that game ??

23 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I am curious..what specific 2nd half adjustments were being made to effect Hurts' stats. Is it scheme or personnel? Why were teams not starting games with these adjustments once they had him figured out with such a small sample size? Are you confident there are no other explanations for his mediocre play?

Like I said before, it was likely a combination of things to some extent. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm guessing schemes changed and Hurts couldn't adjust, as evidenced by his extreme drop-off in play. His completion percentage and how effective he was running the ball dropped from game to game, as I evidenced earlier. Chances are once teams got a few drives to get a feel for Hurts, they started to shut him down quicker in the games.

He was good for the most part against the Saints. He really only had one good quarter against the Cardinals. He was bad against the Cowboys and dreadful against Washington.

And before you (or anyone) wants to point at Pederson for the problem, take a look at Wentz. Many have argued he was the worst starting QB in the league last season and it was "obvious to anyone with eyes" that the team had a "spark" with Hurts. Strangely enough, Wentz actually performed stronger as the games went on. So the "worst QB in the league last season" with Doug "It's entirely his fault" Pederson managed to, albeit still not great, improve as teams adjusted.

Hurts did not. Maybe other factors did play a part, but Hurts was squarely responsible.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Also follow up on this.  You're saying Allen had the same amount of fumbles while playing more than double the snaps in those first 4 starts?  Is that correct?

No.

Hurts had 9 fumbles, 3 lost  in 211 rushes / passes

Allen had 8 fumbles, 3 lost in 409 rushes / passes 

 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Look at Mcnabb, 2-6 as a starter in his rookie year, 8 tds 7 int 49% passer.

He turned out ok.

I think if Siriani can get to some stability around hurts and generate stats for him like Reid did with mcnabb than hurts will be ok.

Of course mcnabb had one thing hurts doesn't, a rocket for an arm, hurts arm strength is questionable though guys over the years like brees and brady have improved their arm strength so we'll see.

 

 

Go look at the average QB season in 99 and then last year and get back to me. You're not the first to make the comparison to McNabb, but the game is radically different now.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am wondering what it is about this stat line, coupled with his second half production that I have already discussed, that leads you to believe he would win that game ??

34 rushing yards for 2 TDs. Redskins only scored 3 points in the second half which resulted off of a Nate Sudfeld interception giving the Redskins the ball at the Eagles 25 yard line. 

Redskins weren't moving that ball at all in that game in the second half.  Hurts was only given 3 drives in that second half (really just 3rd quarter).  2 of those drives the Eagles should have gotten field goals out of. 

The second drive of the 2nd half for the Eagles Hurts took the Eagle from their 29 to the Redskins 36 but on 4th down a delay of game pushed them out of field goal range and they punted.  The next drive the Eagles had the ball down to the 4 but instead of tying the game down by 3 Doug instead opted to go for it and they failed on the 4th down attempt. 

 

Again, I understand you have a very passionate hate for Jalen Hurts but certainly is not outlandish to speculate that if he were allowed to play the 4th quarter that the Eagles could have possibly won that game. 

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Go look at the average QB season in 99 and then last year and get back to me. You're not the first to make the comparison to McNabb, but the game is radically different now.

Without looking I'm going to guess the average qb had a higher passing % than 49%

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Go look at the average QB season in 99 and then last year and get back to me. You're not the first to make the comparison to McNabb, but the game is radically different now.

Doug pederson was at 52% 

If you take the top  35 passers the median was 57%

I realize the game has changed and the leagues rules favor and enhance passing stats and even taking that into account mcnabb as a rookie was a pretty bad passer.

It's really a testament to Mcnabb work and Reids ability to help him get there and design a qb friendly offense for him.

Can Siriani do the same for Hurts? 

Well see I guess...

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Without looking I'm going to guess the average qb had a higher passing % than 49%

In 1999, including rounding up, 9 QBs completed 60% or more of their passes with a high of 65.1 from Kurt Warner. 12 QBs passed for 3,000 or more yards. 5 passed for 4,000 or more yards.

Last season, including rounding up, 33 QBs completed 60% or more of their passes with a high of 71 from Rodgers. 18 QBs passed for 3,000 or more yards. 12 passed for 4,000 or more yards.

I get what people are trying to say, but the comparison doesn't hold much water, IMO. Passing is infinitely easier these days.

I hope Hurts proves me wrong.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

In 1999, including rounding up, 9 QBs completed 60% or more of their passes with a high of 65.1 from Kurt Warner. 12 QBs passed for 3,000 or more yards. 5 passed for 4,000 or more yards.

Last season, including rounding up, 33 QBs completed 60% or more of their passes with a high of 71 from Rodgers. 18 QBs passed for 3,000 or more yards. 12 passed for 4,000 or more yards.

I get what people are trying to say, but the comparison doesn't hold much water, IMO. Passing is infinitely easier these days.

I hope Hurts proves me wrong.

What are the stats for just rookies?

Also surprised we never heard about the influence Cox has on defense

without question it’s easier to pass today , can’t touch the QB , can’t touch the WO 

 

26 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Like I said before, it was likely a combination of things to some extent. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm guessing schemes changed and Hurts couldn't adjust, as evidenced by his extreme drop-off in play. His completion percentage and how effective he was running the ball dropped from game to game, as I evidenced earlier. Chances are once teams got a few drives to get a feel for Hurts, they started to shut him down quicker in the games.

He was good for the most part against the Saints. He really only had one good quarter against the Cardinals. He was bad against the Cowboys and dreadful against Washington.

And before you (or anyone) wants to point at Pederson for the problem, take a look at Wentz. Many have argued he was the worst starting QB in the league last season and it was "obvious to anyone with eyes" that the team had a "spark" with Hurts. Strangely enough, Wentz actually performed stronger as the games went on. So the "worst QB in the league last season" with Doug "It's entirely his fault" Pederson managed to, albeit still not great, improve as teams adjusted.

Hurts did not. Maybe other factors did play a part, but Hurts was squarely responsible.

I do not see nor look for fault on anyone person. It is a team game, so I look for other patterns and trends. There is still too many who confuse facts with opinion in here. Hurts was put into an unfavorable position, being a rookie on a losing dysfunctional team. The single most important unit was decimated by injuries, as the OL was rolling out PS and third stringers. He also played against 4 teams with contending for playoffs. 

The adjustments I saw were spying and blitzing. When the Eagles fell behind and had lousy field position, he was literally blitzed from everywhere against mostly a 2nd string OL...double A-gap to move him off his spot and force short throws...corner blitzes....full DL stunts. Everything was thrown at him, so in my opinion he held up pretty well. But...I do not think there is enough evidence for any sort of judgement on his effectiveness or projection of future play. Any attempt to do so in my opinion is purely subjective and myopic...so the idea that he is a "run first" only QB  at this point is outlandish

I believe he deserves a full offseason and a fair chance...I will be the first to point out flaws when the time comes...but there are also some good things to build on from my personal observations...