15 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

I do not see nor look for fault on anyone person. It is a team game, so I look for other patterns and trends. There is still too many who confuse facts with opinion in here. Hurts was put into an unfavorable position, being a rookie on a losing dysfunctional team. The single most important unit was decimated by injuries, as the OL was rolling out PS and third stringers. He also played against 4 teams with contending for playoffs. 

The adjustments I saw were spying and blitzing. When the Eagles fell behind and had lousy field position, he was literally blitzed from everywhere against mostly a 2nd string OL...double A-gap to move him off his spot and force short throws...corner blitzes....full DL stunts. Everything was thrown at him, so in my opinion he held up pretty well. But...I do not think there is enough evidence for any sort of judgement on his effectiveness or projection of future play. Any attempt to do so in my opinion is purely subjective and myopic...so the idea that he is a "run first" only QB  at this point is outlandish

I believe he deserves a full offseason and a fair chance...I will be the first to point out flaws when the time comes...but there are also some good things to build on from my personal observations...

Some of us are going off of 4 years of Jalen Hurts, not 4 games.

 

19 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Also surprised we never heard about the influence Cox has on defense

I think star players like Cox have that type of influence all over the League.  To me, that wasn't that concerning.  What is more concerning is just the dynamic.  I mean it's Howie seemingly running around mostly trying to preserve his job by trying to keep the people he perceives as having the most say happy by fostering their favor.  He's not as concerned about making the correct decision for the team.  

7 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

 

I believe he deserves a full offseason and a fair chance...I will be the first to point out flaws when the time comes...but there are also some good things to build on from my personal observations...

I agree with this completely. But Hurts was in a better position then Wentz - by the time of the benching the OLine had solidified and receivers were getting healthy. It is nice to have all-pro lineman but the only thing really necessary is competence and continuity. Lineman in and out of the lineup is really bad - and Jamon Brown is unacceptable. 

 

If the Eagles coaches and FO see what the believe is a franchise QB available to them without giving up the farm then they have to take him but I would rather they didn't draft a QB in the first 2 rounds this year and certainly not just for the sake of. Finding a "franchise" QB is hard - think how many bonafide franchise QBs are there in the league right now? Not potential - it's only been a couple years since Wentz was thought of that way - and he may still be - but you certainly can't label him that right now. Cam Newton is another that was and now isn't - 

So if they identify that guy I won't be mad (unless they're wrong) but other wise - lets see what Hurts has - I know if he fails it won't be because of a lack of effort.

I think Sirianni will earn his autonomy the way AR did, because he'll be the smartest, most organized man in the room.

He got to choose his own staff b/c he knew who he wanted to hire, and why. The only holdovers, Stoutland (no brainer) and Morehead (with a staff of guys with WR coaching experience so he's on notice). Clay is the other coach with Eagles connections, but he was in SF for five years. And he was originally a Chip hire. Lot's of new blood.

It's not like there's a Doug coaching tree out there.

When someone asks " why don't we do this," and you show that you've considered it, list the pros and cons, and explain why you thought that was the wrong move, that usually ends the discussion. When you answer "I dunno," well . . .

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

2x Super Bowl Champ  Didn't play a snap in the playoffs for the Chiefs or Bucs.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

"I got two championships" GTFO

The answer is no.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Love Shady - no

The punters for his respective SB teams did more than he did. Talk about riding the bus ...

McCoy had 1 rushing title and Peterson got hurt that year.

 

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Some of us are going off of 4 years of Jalen Hurts, not 4 games.

5 years.. 3 different systems and 3 different coaches. That is hardly a fair way to assess. College football is a completely different experience. 

4 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

5 years.. 3 different systems and 3 different coaches. That is hardly a fair way to assess. College football is a completely different experience. 

Folks have it in their minds that Hurts is the same guy he was at 19. It is what it is.

13 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

5 years.. 3 different systems and 3 different coaches. That is hardly a fair way to assess. College football is a completely different experience. 

Okay, how’s this for fair?

The BEST Jalen Hurts played at Oklahoma with the same coaches and same system as Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.  Mayfield was drafted #1 overall, Murray was drafted #1 overall.  Hurts was graded as a 3rd round prospect and drafted earlier than expected at #53 overall.

He was assessed by 32 NFL teams.  Seems a fair assessment to me; it doesn’t get any fairer than that.  Let’s not pretend we should simply discount his 4 year experience in college.  He’s been a run-first QB for quite awhile now — it’s a well-earned observation 

 

20 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

2 superbowls he never played a down in

22 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Now we know where Jalen Mills got the idea he should be in the Pro Bowl 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, how’s this for fair?

The BEST Jalen Hurts played at Oklahoma with the same coaches and same system as Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.  Mayfield was drafted #1 overall, Murray was drafted #1 overall.  Hurts was graded as a 3rd round prospect and drafted earlier than expected at #53 overall.

He was assessed by 32 NFL teams.  Seems a fair assessment to me; it doesn’t get any fairer than that.  Let’s not pretend we should simply discount his 4 year experience in college.  He’s been a run-first QB for quite awhile now — it’s a well-earned observation 

 

Is Hurts a "run first” by scheme or by natural choice? I think it is still too early to tell?

Details emerge of heated dispute between Howie Roseman, Lane Johnson

 

https://www.radio.com/94wip/sports/eagles/details-of-argument-between-howie-roseman-lane-johnson?fbclid=IwAR2DMTa4gBfq2yIodZvTgiRX3eWYt7dQcSzWj0cbqdRBqlia-BUCTNSMTiA

34 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

 

 

I think he is just on the outside looking in.  It's a shame because I was hoping he would make it.  If he played a bigger role on the chiefs and Bucs then I think he would have.  Chip sending him off to Buffalo really screwed him.  

33 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Considering he had zero impact on those super bowl wins I'd say no.

As a consistent starter in his career he had zero playoff wins. Never won a playoff game as an eagle never win one as a Bill.

Now compare that to say Westbrook whose rushing numbers aren't as guady but has multiple playoff wins in his career.

I think with a guy like shady whose numbers aren't other worldly he needs to have more post season success and those two super bowls in his resume don't do much as I believe he was inactive for both?

 

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Details emerge of heated dispute between Howie Roseman, Lane Johnson

 

https://www.radio.com/94wip/sports/eagles/details-of-argument-between-howie-roseman-lane-johnson?fbclid=IwAR2DMTa4gBfq2yIodZvTgiRX3eWYt7dQcSzWj0cbqdRBqlia-BUCTNSMTiA

I wonder how much of this is getting back to Lurie as the earlier article of the same suggested that Lurie only hears whatever Howie tells him.🤔

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Details emerge of heated dispute between Howie Roseman, Lane Johnson

 

https://www.radio.com/94wip/sports/eagles/details-of-argument-between-howie-roseman-lane-johnson?fbclid=IwAR2DMTa4gBfq2yIodZvTgiRX3eWYt7dQcSzWj0cbqdRBqlia-BUCTNSMTiA

 

 

Roseman is such a weasel.  Maybe if he played the game those comments would be more appropriate but not coming form an accountant to a guy battling through an  injury.  

13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Details emerge of heated dispute between Howie Roseman, Lane Johnson

 

https://www.radio.com/94wip/sports/eagles/details-of-argument-between-howie-roseman-lane-johnson?fbclid=IwAR2DMTa4gBfq2yIodZvTgiRX3eWYt7dQcSzWj0cbqdRBqlia-BUCTNSMTiA

That's pretty much the exact thing the article earlier said. 

Lots of Trey Lance to Atlanta rumors. This would be a W for us. If Fields is on the board at 6, trade-down options aplenty.

3 minutes ago, greend said:

That's pretty much the exact thing the article earlier said. 

Didn't see it.

Just now, downundermike said:

Didn't see it.

no biggie 

36 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, how’s this for fair?

The BEST Jalen Hurts played at Oklahoma with the same coaches and same system as Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray.  Mayfield was drafted #1 overall, Murray was drafted #1 overall.  Hurts was graded as a 3rd round prospect and drafted earlier than expected at #53 overall.

He was assessed by 32 NFL teams.  Seems a fair assessment to me; it doesn’t get any fairer than that.  Let’s not pretend we should simply discount his 4 year experience in college.  He’s been a run-first QB for quite awhile now — it’s a well-earned observation 

 

Try this one on. There have been 25 QBs drafted in the first round from 2009 through 2017. Of those 25, only one figures to be with the team that drafted him this coming season - Mahomes. Watson may be.

Looks to me that the NFL is pretty terrible at assessing QBs. That's a 4% hit rate; well, 8% if you include Watson.

P.S. I stopped at 2017 because the first-round draftees after that are still on rookie contracts, which changes the dynamic radically.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Lots of Trey Lance to Atlanta rumors. This would be a W for us. If Fields is on the board at 6, trade-down options aplenty.

3? So Dolphins are giving up on Tua? Lol