4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

3? So Dolphins are giving up on Tua? Lol

To get ahead of Atlanta

10 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Try this one on. There have been 25 QBs drafted in the first round from 2009 through 2017. Of those 25, only one figures to be with the team that drafted him this coming season - Mahomes. Watson may be.

Looks to me that the NFL is pretty terrible at assessing QBs. That's a 4% hit rate; well, 8% if you include Watson.

Of the 14 playoff teams from last season, only Brees, Wilson and Brady was not a first round-drafted QB (WAS wouldn’t have gotten there without Alex Smith) — and Brees was #32 overall, which in 2020 would have been in the first round.

A first round grade is important.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Of the 14 playoff teams from last season, only Brees, Wilson and Brady was not a first round-drafted QB (WAS wouldn’t have gotten there without Alex Smith) — and Brees was #32 overall, which in 2020 would have been in the first round.

A first round grade is important.

But not as important as a sixth round comp pick.😉 He was better than ANY of those first round picks.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Lots of Trey Lance to Atlanta rumors. This would be a W for us. If Fields is on the board at 6, trade-down options aplenty.

If any of the top QB's are available at 6 get ready....Howie could pull in quite a ransom. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

What are the stats for just rookies?

Between the two years or just in 99? 

In just 99, the QB class was awful. Most of which were in the league only briefly. McNabb obviously ended up being the best of that class, but ironically almost all of the QBs in that class had a higher completion percentage than Jalen Hurts did this paat season.

57 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Folks have it in their minds that Hurts is the same guy he was at 19. It is what it is.

I don't know that anyone has their mind set on what he is. I know I don't.  I just am not convinced he can be an above average passing QB in the NFL. I don't have my mind made up either way and certainly hope he's closer to Russell Wilson than Tyrod Taylor.  

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

If any of the top QB's are available at 6 get ready....Howie could pull in quite a ransom. 

I’m still a skeptic on the Falcons drafting QB; Ryan isn’t 36 for another couple of months.  Parsons would be an awesome pick for them.

1.  Lawrence

2.  Wilson

3.  Sewell

4.  Parsons 

5.  Slater or Chase

 

Not sure Lance or Fields will get enough juice for teams to trade into the top 5 for them.

That OL is...terrible.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

That OL is...terrible.

Sucks for Hebert

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Was just gonna post the link. AF is gonna have fun defending Howie after this article. 

Just a warning, it’s a long read, fellas. 

So many thoughts on this article........I don't have time to list all of them.  A lot of the stuff about Howie is embarrassing, but we kind of already knew it (except the Lane Johnson altercation).  He's an accountant thinking he's boys with everyone.

We already knew that Lurie confronted Schwartz after the SB about the defensive performance.  That's disturbing in itself.  But for him to show his frustration because the offense "favored the running game" after that unbelievable win in Green Bay 2 seasons ago??  That almost seems make believe.  That was the best the offense has looked since the SB year.  

25 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Between the two years or just in 99? 

In just 99, the QB class was awful. Most of which were in the league only briefly. McNabb obviously ended up being the best of that class, but ironically almost all of the QBs in that class had a higher completion percentage than Jalen Hurts did this paat season.

I was thinking last year.

Then comparing the difference for that year and last year adjusted for new league rules.

For instance while in this age passing is easier how many qbs are above the median?

Let's say in 2020 the median passer rating is 90 among the top 35 qbs

and the median passer rating in 99 is 75

Without adjusting for those differences it's not an accurate head to head comparison.

For Instance among the top 35 in 99 the median was jeff garcia at 77.8

In 2020 the median was fitzmagic at 95

That's almost a 20 point difference but both are the median.

Mcnabb in 99 was at 60 pass rate

 

 17 points below the median 

Hurts in 2020 77.6 which is 18 points below the median.

So I think mcnabbs and hurts rookie years are comparable.

23 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Go ahead and least every QB to make the playoffs since 2009 and where they were drafted. Brady is the outlier. 

It's your idea, why don't you do it? If you don't do it, I'd say you're a weenie.

I'll start you out, though, just to be amiable: Brady, Wilson, Prescott,  Kaepernick, Garoppolo, Cousins, Romo, Warner (he doesn't really count but I like him, so...). I could go on, but why?

21 minutes ago, RLC said:

That OL is...terrible.

Maybe he will be running for his life once the ball is snapped and blows chucks all year. Then Chargers fans and the front office will give up on him and put him on the trade block next year and we can get him.

Wait nevermind that only happens in Philly:-)

8 hours ago, greend said:

This is absolutely the only reason I do them. It also helps me to learn just a little bit about where players should go. 

This x1000.  They are a blast to do and obviously unrealistic, however, it really does help with the lower round players that you might not know about.  Also helps with learning about what positions have depth.  After 200 on the big board, it's almost nothing but corners and receivers.  At that point, I'm taking the ones with athleticism, explosiveness, and upside.  Maybe 1 or 2 with character issues too  😂

 

27 minutes ago, hputenis said:

So many thoughts on this article........I don't have time to list all of them.  A lot of the stuff about Howie is embarrassing, but we kind of already knew it (except the Lane Johnson altercation).  He's an accountant thinking he's boys with everyone.

We already knew that Lurie confronted Schwartz after the SB about the defensive performance.  That's disturbing in itself.  But for him to show his frustration because the offense "favored the running game" after that unbelievable win in Green Bay 2 seasons ago??  That almost seems make believe.  That was the best the offense has looked since the SB year.  

Would answer the question why the eagles never run the ball no?

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Would answer the question why the eagles never run the ball no?

Yes, absolutely.  Maybe I phrased my response to it wrong.  It seems make believe, but I still absolutely believe it.  It's mind boggling how f'd up this franchise is, and it all starts at the top.  

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

New England screams trade-up.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Patriots also reached out to me with a contract, because I have the same chance of achieving those $9m incentives as Cam does.  

8 hours ago, greend said:

Which will explain why you are never seen here again. I get number 2 of Pfizer tomorrow. 

Sitting in the waiting area for 15 minutes now...    

1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Try this one on. There have been 25 QBs drafted in the first round from 2009 through 2017. Of those 25, only one figures to be with the team that drafted him this coming season - Mahomes. Watson may be.

Looks to me that the NFL is pretty terrible at assessing QBs. That's a 4% hit rate; well, 8% if you include Watson.

P.S. I stopped at 2017 because the first-round draftees after that are still on rookie contracts, which changes the dynamic radically.

I think the problem is less assessment, more development.  

QB has a horrible dichotomy of being the most important, yet perhaps most dependent position on the field.  No QB is going to develop without secure pass protection.  A middling QB with wide open targets is going to be far more successful than an elite passer throwing into the teeth of tight coverage.  Once you get past the surrounding personnel, you also need the right coach and scheme.

The QB's assessed as the best prospects also happen to exclusively be going at the top of the draft...to the teams with the worst OL's, worst receivers, brand new coaching staffs learning as they go.  It shouldn't be a mystery why so many fail.

It shouldn't be some great mystery that many of the best passers in the current NFL were drafted a bit lower and got their start on less dumpster-firey teams that had better infrastructure to succeed.

7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Patriots also reached out to me with a contract, because I have the same chance of achieving those $9m incentives as Cam does.  

This confirms Cam lurks on the Blog and saw someone call him a pro-bowl, MVP candidate last year.

53 minutes ago, RLC said:

That OL is...terrible.

Prime target to trade dillard, if Howie was smart at all he would have started making calls

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the problem is less assessment, more development.  

QB has a horrible dichotomy of being the most important, yet perhaps most dependent position on the field.  No QB is going to develop without secure pass protection.  A middling QB with wide open targets is going to be far more successful than an elite passer throwing into the teeth of tight coverage.  Once you get past the surrounding personnel, you also need the right coach and scheme.

The QB's assessed as the best prospects also happen to exclusively be going at the top of the draft...to the teams with the worst OL's, worst receivers, brand new coaching staffs learning as they go.  It shouldn't be a mystery why so many fail.

It shouldn't be some great mystery that many of the best passers in the current NFL were drafted a bit lower and got their start on less dumpster-firey teams that had better infrastructure to succeed.

Good points. Seems that you’re better off building a team and then adding the QB. To relate back to Hurts, I think he’s plenty good enough to win with a good team around him but not good enough to win without it.

21 minutes ago, hputenis said:

Yes, absolutely.  Maybe I phrased my response to it wrong.  It seems make believe, but I still absolutely believe it.  It's mind boggling how f'd up this franchise is, and it all starts at the top.  

Yup, always does start at the top.

I've been saying it started at the top for a couple seasons now but never really had any evidence to suggest so just kind of spit balling but this article that came out sure suggests it's top down dysfunction