2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

 

He can’t touch Roger Craig who was the guy that paved the way for my next guy who should be in and that’s Ricky Watters.  
 
His pass catching numbers just with the Eagles combined with his rushing numbers are extraordinary for a RB. With the 49ers, he rushed for 5tds in one playoff game, plus he scored 3 in the SB.
 Over 14,000 total yards and 91 tds for his career.  He didn’t miss a regular season game for the Eagles in 3 years, and lots of us back then believe the Eagles purposely didn’t use him enough in his 3rd and final season to lessen his chances to leave in FA.          
 IDGAF what anyone says, Watters should be in, regardless of For who, for what!!

 Eddie George, he doesn’t have the greatest overall numbers but the dude showed up to every game, he has the 2nd most consecutive starts in NFL history by a RB, you had to love his style of play. 

I know you can’t play favorites and leaving out Otis Anderson and Tiki because they were Gnats, and Walker because he was a Cockroach probably isn’t fair, but whatever, most if not all belong in before Shady, and I like Shady.   

3 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Good points. Seems that you’re better off building a team and then adding the QB. To relate back to Hurts, I think he’s plenty good enough to win with a good team around him but not good enough to win without it.

We'll find out.  I don't really have any interest in a blueprint that involves a QB winning without much help anyway.  

I want an offense for which scoring feels inevitable, mostly because NFL leadership has dictated that's how the game needs to be played now.  To score at will, one needs to be able to pass at will.    That means a secure OL, targets that are always open, and a QB who makes the right reads and accurately gets them the ball.  I don't really think Hurts can be that slick, distributing QB.  Maybe he can; it's not like any of us have really seen enough to anoint or bury him.  But the way he was taught/encouraged to play throughout college and, especially, in that impressionable year 1 under Doug...definitely not conducive to being an NFL starting quality passer.  So I think it would take an against all odds jump in skill and playing style to make it happen.

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the problem is less assessment, more development.  

QB has a horrible dichotomy of being the most important, yet perhaps most dependent position on the field.  No QB is going to develop without secure pass protection.  A middling QB with wide open targets is going to be far more successful than an elite passer throwing into the teeth of tight coverage.  Once you get past the surrounding personnel, you also need the right coach and scheme.

The QB's assessed as the best prospects also happen to exclusively be going at the top of the draft...to the teams with the worst OL's, worst receivers, brand new coaching staffs learning as they go.  It shouldn't be a mystery why so many fail.

It shouldn't be some great mystery that many of the best passers in the current NFL were drafted a bit lower and got their start on less dumpster-firey teams that had better infrastructure to succeed.

Yup would explain why older journey man qbs find success later in their careers.

Chris chandler was trash most of his career get to atlanta where he has a strong running game a vet established coach 2 vet receivers good enough o line and he has a run of a few good years and a super bowl appearances.

Rich gannon went from journeyman to league MVP in Oakland he had receivers and an O line and a lot of stability and a system that he fit.

Meanwhile guys like Darnold are drafted 1st to a team with nothing and expected to win and when they don't are shipped off as busts? Some recover while others never recover like carr in houston.

I agree makes more sense to build a team then add a qb, usually at the point though that one has established an O line and WRs the team is just good enough to not be able to get a top qb in the draft And has to rely on a FA or a late draft pick qb developing.

3 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

He can’t touch Roger Craig who was the guy that paved the way for my next guy who should be in and that’s Ricky Watters.  
 
His pass catching numbers just with the Eagles combined with his rushing numbers are extraordinary for a RB. With the 49ers, he rushed for 5tds in one playoff game, plus he scored 3 in the SB.
 Over 14,000 total yards and 91 tds for his career.  He didn’t miss a regular season game for the Eagles in 3 years, and lots of us back then believe the Eagles purposely didn’t use him enough in his 3rd and final season to lessen his chances to leave in FA.          
 IDGAF what anyone says, Watters should be in, regardless of For who, for what!!

 Eddie George, he doesn’t have the greatest overall numbers but the dude showed up to every game, he has the 2nd most consecutive starts in NFL history by a RB, you had to love his style of play. 

I know you can’t play favorites and leaving out Otis Anderson and Tiki because they were Gnats, and Walker because he was a Cockroach probably isn’t fair, but whatever, most if not all belong in before Shady, and I like Shady.   

Walker?

Herschel Walker???

If so how is he a cockroach?

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Patriots are the anti-Jerry ..... bamboozled a lousy QB (with a huge ego) into an incentive-laden contract because he thinks he can still play well

Seriously, though — this is #2 QB money.  They’re a prime candidate for Mac Jones at #15.  WFT might try to jump them in line.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Patriots are the anti-Jerry ..... bamboozled a lousy QB (with a huge ego) into an incentive-laden contract because he thinks he can still play well

Seriously, though — this is #2 QB money.  They’re a prime candidate for Mac Jones at #15.  WFT might try to jump them in line.

Yup. I knew the initial $14M couldn't be anything but incentives. They gave him slightly more than what Sudfeld got last year. QB is very much still in play for them.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Walker?

Herschel Walker???

If so how is he a cockroach?

Cowboys, and Cockroaches, he had what 3 or 4 years with the Cowboys?.., just because he played for the Eagles doesn’t change that, and that damn trade that helped the Cowboys win a few Super Bowls.   That trade was like the Mock draft trades I see in the blog all the time. Ridiculous. 

10 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup would explain why older journey man qbs find success later in their careers.

Chris chandler was trash most of his career get to atlanta where he has a string running game a vet established coach 2 vet receivers good enough o line and he has a run of a few good years and a super bowl appearances.

Rich gannon went from journeyman to league MVP in Oakland he had receivers and an O line and a lot of stability and a system that he fit.

Meanwhile guys like Darnold are drafted 1st to a team with nothing and expected to win and when they don't are shipped off as busts? Some recover while others never recover like carr in houston.

I agree makes more sense to build a team then add a qb, usually at the point though that one has established an O line and WRs the team is just good enough to not be able to get a top qb in the draft And has to rely on a FA or a late draft pick qb developing.

I also worry about qb purgatory. But can you really plan to avoid it? The NFL is so different year in, year out, due to parity and injuries. How many times have teams successfully tanked for a full season? I can only think of the Colts in 2011.

"Roseman has only two years left on his contract. What if he wants out? What if he wants to go to a team without as much owner interference, and a city where maybe his accomplishments would be appreciated more and each decision was not scrutinized?"

 

I found this part of the Howie article funny. Why on earth would howie ever leave here? No other team would have hung onto him for this long, he is in the perfect situation. No matter what he does he has an owner that won't fire him. 

7 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

Cowboys, and Cockroaches, he had what 3 or 4 years with the Cowboys?.., just because he played for the Eagles doesn’t change that, and that damn trade that helped the Cowboys win a few Super Bowls.   That trade was like the Mock draft trades I see in the blog all the time. Ridiculous. 

Gotcha,

Ioved Herschel Walker but yeah that trade just irks me, the vikings and herschel should have been given an honorary super bowl trophy by the cowboys.

2 minutes ago, DelCo-lin said:

I also worry about qb purgatory. But can you really plan to avoid it? The NFL is so different year in, year out, due to parity and injuries. How many times have teams successfully tanked for a full season? I can only think of the Colts in 2011.

I think the better plan is to identify your QB of the future at pick 10-15 (Mahomes, Watson) rather than bottoming out or paying a ransom to move up and picking top 3

3 minutes ago, DelCo-lin said:

I also worry about qb purgatory. But can you really plan to avoid it? The NFL is so different year in, year out, due to parity and injuries. How many times have teams successfully tanked for a full season? I can only think of the Colts in 2011.

And then they didn't fix their Oline for years so their generational QB retired early because of injuries

Amazing lol

4 minutes ago, DelCo-lin said:

I also worry about qb purgatory. But can you really plan to avoid it? The NFL is so different year in, year out, due to parity and injuries. How many times have teams successfully tanked for a full season? I can only think of the Colts in 2011.

Yup.

Even then the guy they tanked for had to s of Injuries and retired early.

Like you said nfl is unpredictable.

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

"Roseman has only two years left on his contract. What if he wants out? What if he wants to go to a team without as much owner interference, and a city where maybe his accomplishments would be appreciated more and each decision was not scrutinized?"

 

I found this part of the Howie article funny. Why on earth would howie ever leave here? No other team would have hung onto him for this long, he is in the perfect situation. No matter what he does he has an owner that won't fire him. 

He's going to get extended

13 minutes ago, devpool said:

"Roseman has only two years left on his contract. What if he wants out? What if he wants to go to a team without as much owner interference, and a city where maybe his accomplishments would be appreciated more and each decision was not scrutinized?"

 

I found this part of the Howie article funny. Why on earth would howie ever leave here? No other team would have hung onto him for this long, he is in the perfect situation. No matter what he does he has an owner that won't fire him. 

Lurie will find a way to franchise tag him

37 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think the problem is less assessment, more development.  

QB has a horrible dichotomy of being the most important, yet perhaps most dependent position on the field.  No QB is going to develop without secure pass protection.  A middling QB with wide open targets is going to be far more successful than an elite passer throwing into the teeth of tight coverage.  Once you get past the surrounding personnel, you also need the right coach and scheme.

The QB's assessed as the best prospects also happen to exclusively be going at the top of the draft...to the teams with the worst OL's, worst receivers, brand new coaching staffs learning as they go.  It shouldn't be a mystery why so many fail.

It shouldn't be some great mystery that many of the best passers in the current NFL were drafted a bit lower and got their start on less dumpster-firey teams that had better infrastructure to succeed.

 On development, the Chiefs seriously tried to move up for Paxton Lynch and couldn’t, so the following year they got Mahomes, but it makes you wonder how Lynch turns out under Andy, instead of the disaster in Denver. 

 Probably by far the biggest example in player development failure has to be David Carr, he was a better prospect than Derek, and should of had a good career in the NFL but the dude was ruined by Houston, he was sacked 76 times in his rookie year, seriously if a lawyer charged Houston back then with attempted murder who could of disagreed or called BS? 
 On the development positive side, what NFL teams didn’t account for was David helping his little brother understand coverages and defenses overall, and without his brothers help, Derek probably gets drafted in the 5th round, instead of the 2nd. There may be no more average guy than Derek Carr, he’s average everything, but because of his brother, and coaching at the NFL level, he’s become a pretty good NFL QB. 

Fire Howie.

At least we'll have Ja'Marr Chase in a little under 2 months.

I have my Pfizer dose #2 coming up soon. Had to drive outside Philly to get em.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Fire Howie.

At least we'll have Ja'Marr Chase in a little under 2 months.

I have my Pfizer dose #2 coming up soon. Had to drive outside Philly to get em.

That’s too bad, Moderna is the bomb.

22 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Gotcha,

Ioved Herschel Walker but yeah that trade just irks me, the vikings and herschel should have been given an honorary super bowl trophy by the cowboys.

That trade changed the world, lol, seriously though, Dallas got 

1990 Vikings 1st, 2nd, and 6th. 
1991 Vikings 1st and 2nd. 
1992 Vikings 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

 Minny then received 

1990 Cowboys 3rd and 10th round pick, plus  San Diego’s 5th rounder. 

1991 Cowboys 3rd rounder which they did get Jake Reed, who was usually a decent 2nd or 3rd option in Fantasy Football.  

  Sort of a brilliant trade if the Vikings scouting department was known as lazy.  Not much to worry about for the next 3 years.  
 

 

 

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Lurie will find a way to franchise tag him

I don't think a lap dog needs a tag.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think a lap dog needs a tag.  

Not only from the top rope, Savage as well

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Fire Howie.

At least we'll have Ja'Marr Chase in a little under 2 months.

I have my Pfizer dose #2 coming up soon. Had to drive outside Philly to get em.

I keep seeing him getting mocked to the Bengals.  

WOW. Not the player I wanted to do this with.

And I love Brooks as a player and human being.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

WOW. Not the player I wanted to do this with.

And I love Brooks as a player and human being.

It is what it is. I’m just surprised that we’ll get below the cap without really losing any notable player.