15 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Time will tell.  He blows.  WR X version of Greg Ward.  You will see.  I hope I’m wrong.  

 

Who on the roster do you think is better?   The extreme of saying he blows seems so absurd to me.  Does a very young inexperienced player need to be a flawless all pro to you to not blow?  

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hamler is a bust already?  

 

Why do you give Hamler more time but Fulgham because he didn't keep up his amazing 5 game production after getting a majorly reduced role in the office with the return of Jeffery?

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Why do you give Hamler more time but Fulgham because he didn't keep up his amazing 5 game production after getting a majorly reduced role in the office with the return of Jeffery?

Hamler will be 22 in week 1.  Fulgham will be 26.  Seriously?

Just now, eagle45 said:

Hamler is a bust already?  
 

Fulgham blows because he’s a bad wr, not because of his 40 time.

Hamler is nothing more than Watkins at this point.  Like Fulgham, like Hightower, like Reagor and even like Ward, the Eagles WRs can either progress or flatline out of the NFL.  Fulgham as a sophomore progressed some last year.  As I see it, his future depends on what he does this offseason.  He progressed from college walk on to leading his conference in receptions, so potentially he may take the next step forward or he flatlines.  He has the same athletic profile as one of the best in the NFL at this time, which means diddly if he doesn’t do something with it.  I don’t see why you say he is a bad WR.  Because they benched him for the starter?  Ward has three years as a WR.  Three.  He has progressed every year.  Is he going to get better or will that be enough is to be seen.  Same with Hightower, who Avant said is the best route runner on the team.  Same with Watkins. We have a team of WRs with no more than two years experience in the NFL (To say Ward has three is a bit generous). Heck, Deontay Burnett has the most time on an NFL roster.   But you constantly harp on this being the worst group of receivers in the NFL without giving them a chance to mature into the position. Yet, Hamler, he deserves a chance and is too early to be called a bust.  

26 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Cool.  Mini greenhouses.  We built a greenhouse in Houston.  Much easier than clearing a space and carting the peppers and tomatoes in and out of the garage the few times it frosted and for starting plants.  But I figured up here they would need to be heated.  Is that a soaker hose for irrigation in the winter?

That's a soaker hose for irrigation in the summer.  I never moved it last fall.   

 

Low tunnels are not good for everything.  I've not done it over a full winter before, but that's where the fun is.  If you aren't doing something new, then you aren't gardening.   Last summer I did tomatillos for the first time.  They were ridiculously prolific and frankly took over.  So, I won't be doing them again.  We didn't eat them enough and three of the plants actually overtook my indeterminate tomatoes that were next to them. 

This summer I am trying leeks.  They will go into the cinder blocks... and I can fill the blocks up as they grow to blanch the stems.   And when harvest time comes, I can just tip over the blocks and push them out from the bottom.   I'll probably go with 2 leeks per opening.   And then I'll try some more stuff in the fall and try to overwinter some stuff.   The roots can stay in the ground all winter and the starches convert to sugars.  They say they taste better that way.   And you wait for the temps to rise over freezing when harvesting.  But, some plants are very cold hardy... some even can handle down to the mid-20s.   I'll be putting a row cover over the beds, maybe two layers for very cold nights, and have the plastic over the top to help hold in some more heat.    I might also paint some milk jugs black and fill them with water and spread them around as well to allow give back heat at night.  

 

But, because of how close I am to NJ and the ocean, I think I have a much more mild climate than you would have, even at the same latitude.  I'm USDA zone 7a.   I bet you are zone 6a, or even zone 5b.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hamler will be 22 in week 1.  Fulgham will be 26.  Seriously?

Hamler played at St. Mary’s Prep and then transferred to IMG, he was training to be a WR at the next level in HS.  Three years at Penn State as a recruit.  Fulgham was an overseas kid that did not play football until his junior year of HS.  Hardly a comparison.  He was a walk on at Old Dominion who progressed to a scholarship player to leading his conference in his senior (fifth year) of college.  So training time is comparable.  Fulgham has one more year in the NFL.  So what does the four years mean except that Fulgham may be more mature?
 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Hamler is nothing more than Watkins at this point.  Like Fulgham, like Hightower, like Reagor and even like Ward, the Eagles WRs can either progress or flatline out of the NFL.  Fulgham as a sophomore progressed some last year.  As I see it, his future depends on what he does this offseason.  He progressed from college walk on to leading his conference in receptions, so potentially he may take the next step forward or he flatlines.  He has the same athletic profile as one of the best in the NFL at this time, which means diddly if he doesn’t do something with it.  I don’t see why you say he is a bad WR.  Because they benched him for the starter?  Ward has three years as a WR.  Three.  He has progressed every year.  Is he going to get better or will that be enough is to be seen.  Same with Hightower, who Avant said is the best route runner on the team.  Same with Watkins. We have a team of WRs with no more than two years experience in the NFL (To say Ward has three is a bit generous). Heck, Deontay Burnett has the most time on an NFL roster.   But you constantly harp on this being the worst group of receivers in the NFL without giving them a chance to mature into the position. Yet, Hamler, he deserves a chance and is too early to be called a bust.  

I had mentioned before in this blog that Fulgham and DeAndre Hopkins side by side on paper are near identical - at the time I was making the point that athletic ability isn't everything. Most of what separates great players from good from average from camp body is what is happening above the neck. The more athletic ability you have the less you need it above the neck and vice versa - (although there is a minimum of athletic ability). I also suggested that Fulgham has all the physical skills he needs to be great (He surpasses the minimum standard - DeAndre Hopkins comparision) it's just a matter of what's happening above the neck. So yeah - I agree with you - has he reached his ceiling or is there more growth?

I think for Hopkins, it's about visual acuity, spacial awareness, understanding coverages, route running - all the intangibles that are difficult or impossible to measure. 

1 minute ago, Nivraga said:

I had mentioned before in this blog that Fulgham and DeAndre Hopkins side by side on paper are near identical - at the time I was making the point that athletic ability isn't everything. Most of what separates great players from good from average from camp body is what is happening above the neck. The more athletic ability you have the less you need it above the neck and vice versa - (although there is a minimum of athletic ability). I also suggested that Fulgham has all the physical skills he needs to be great (He surpasses the minimum standard - DeAndre Hopkins comparision) it's just a matter of what's happening above the neck. So yeah - I agree with you - has he reached his ceiling or is there more growth?

I think for Hopkins, it's about visual acuity, spacial awareness, understanding coverages, route running - all the intangibles that are difficult or impossible to measure. 

Hopkins' hands next to Fulgham don't compare at all.   

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Hamler played at St. Mary’s Prep and then transferred to IMG, he was training to be a WR at the next level in HS.  Three years at Penn State as a recruit.  Fulgham was an overseas kid that did not play football until his junior year of HS.  Hardly a comparison.  He was a walk on at Old Dominion who progressed to a scholarship player to leading his conference in his senior (fifth year) of college.  So training time is comparable.  Fulgham has one more year in the NFL.  So what does the four years mean except that Fulgham may be more mature?
 

Fulgham will be 30 before the Eagles are competitive again.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Hopkins' hands next to Fulgham don't compare at all.   

That's subjective and something ANYONE can improve on. Great hands don't get Hopkins open. 

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a soaker hose for irrigation in the summer.  I never moved it last fall.   

 

Low tunnels are not good for everything.  I've not done it over a full winter before, but that's where the fun is.  If you aren't doing something new, then you aren't gardening.   Last summer I did tomatillos for the first time.  They were ridiculously prolific and frankly took over.  So, I won't be doing them again.  We didn't eat them enough and three of the plants actually overtook my indeterminate tomatoes that were next to them. 

This summer I am trying leeks.  They will go into the cinder blocks... and I can fill the blocks up as they grow to blanch the stems.   And when harvest time comes, I can just tip over the blocks and push them out from the bottom.   I'll probably go with 2 leeks per opening.   And then I'll try some more stuff in the fall and try to overwinter some stuff.   The roots can stay in the ground all winter and the starches convert to sugars.  They say they taste better that way.   And you wait for the temps to rise over freezing when harvesting.  But, some plants are very cold hardy... some even can handle down to the mid-20s.   I'll be putting a row cover over the beds, maybe two layers for very cold nights, and have the plastic over the top to help hold in some more heat.    I might also paint some milk jugs black and fill them with water and spread them around as well to allow give back heat at night.  

 

But, because of how close I am to NJ and the ocean, I think I have a much more mild climate than you would have, even at the same latitude.  I'm USDA zone 7a.   I bet you are zone 6a, or even zone 5b.

Yeah, I am right at the border between 6a and 5b. The problem is the teen freezes happen every winter, almost.  I was lucky my herbs were snow covered when we had the single teen freeze this last year and thus I had fresh parsley, rosemary, thyme, oregano and sage all winter.  I just did a roast chicken using all of those in my rub.  
Thanks for tomatillo mention. I don’t like cucumbers so I am on a mission to convince the wife that a tomatillo for fresh salsa verde (and a killer poblano sauce I make that she loves) is better than using that space for a cucumber.  

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

That's subjective and something ANYONE can improve on. Great hands don't get Hopkins open. 

That's not subjective.  It's cold hard facts.  Fulgham has 9.5 inch hands.  Hopkins has 10 inch hands.  That makes a difference, but on top of that... watch the two of them.  Fulgham, even in the games that he played well, struggled to make clean catches on multiple occasions.  His TD against the 49ers, he nearly let the ball come through his arms and fall.  The next week, or was it two weeks, he caught a TD in the end zone, where the ball literally hits him in the breastplate and he caught it on the rebound off his chest.  Later in the year, he was dropping very catchable passes.   Hopkins, on the other hand, catches virtually everything.

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/21/texans-deandre-hopkins-leads-nfl-all-time-targets-drop/

Not that PFF means a whole lot, but you can't call something a drop when it's caught.  I defy anyone to make an argument that Fulgham compares even remotely close to Hopkins in terms of his hands.

 

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Yeah, I am right at the border between 6a and 5b. The problem is the teen freezes happen every winter, almost.  I was lucky my herbs were snow covered when we had the single teen freeze this last year and thus I had fresh parsley, rosemary, thyme, oregano and sage all winter.  I just did a roast chicken using all of those in my rub.  
Thanks for tomatillo mention. I don’t like cucumbers so I am on a mission to convince the wife that a tomatillo for fresh salsa verde (and a killer poblano sauce I make that she loves) is better than using that space for a cucumber.  

Ironically, I'm going with more cucumbers this year.   I'll be training them up a trellis and trying to keep them trimmed to a single vine... maybe two... per plant.  Some Boston pickling and some straight 8s.  I also plan to try my hand at home fermenting some dills.  

 

Regarding the teen freezes... if they are only isolated scenarios, you can always cover stuff up for those nights to protect them briefly.  Blankets do wonders.   But, if its something that lasts for weeks or if it is a case of those being the highs, then its a losing battle.  Though, there is a guy in Maine who does some amazing things with a winter garden - Eliot Coleman.   I read some of his stuff and its truly amazing.   Through use of cold frames, etc. and focusing on the most cold hardy of crops, he manages to pull things from his garden fresh year round... in zone 4 or maybe even 3. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

That's not subjective.  It's cold hard facts.  Fulgham has 9.5 inch hands.  Hopkins has 10 inch hands.  That makes a difference, but on top of that... watch the two of them.  Fulgham, even in the games that he played well, struggled to make clean catches on multiple occasions.  His TD against the 49ers, he nearly let the ball come through his arms and fall.  The next week, or was it two weeks, he caught a TD in the end zone, where the ball literally hits him in the breastplate and he caught it on the rebound off his chest.  Later in the year, he was dropping very catchable passes.   Hopkins, on the other hand, catches virtually everything.

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/21/texans-deandre-hopkins-leads-nfl-all-time-targets-drop/

Not that PFF means a whole lot, but you can't call something a drop when it's caught.  I defy anyone to make an argument that Fulgham compares even remotely close to Hopkins in terms of his hands.

 

First - not that you suggested otherwise - but I want to make sure we understand what each of us are talking about. I don't think Fulgham and Hopkins are in any way comparable on the field. But on paper they are. And I agree that Hopkins has much better hands and has demonstrated such - I don't think anyone would argue otherwise - BUT it's still subjective and it is still something that Fulgham can improve. I don't think Fulgham will ever reach the level of play of DeAndre Hopkins or even come close. But it won't be from a lack of physical skills - That's not what makes Hopkins great. And that's why it's reasonable to think Fulgham can still get better.

Just now, Nivraga said:

First - not that you suggested otherwise - but I want to make sure we understand what each of us are talking about. I don't think Fulgham and Hopkins are in any way comparable on the field. But on paper they are. And I agree that Hopkins has much better hands and has demonstrated such - I don't think anyone would argue otherwise - BUT it's still subjective and it is still something that Fulgham can improve. I don't think Fulgham will ever reach the level of play of DeAndre Hopkins or even come close. But it won't be from a lack of physical skills - That's not what makes Hopkins great. And that's why it's reasonable to think Fulgham can still get better.

It is not subjective.  The stats bear it out.  The measurements of their hands respectively also bear it out.  

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

It is not subjective.  The stats bear it out.  The measurements of their hands respectively also bear it out.  

 

Subjective ... moving on ...

2 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Subjective ... moving on ...

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

hmmmm ... We share the same opinion. And that opinion is supported by facts - AND there are no facts that I know of to refute that opinion - But it's still an opinion and therefore subjective. As much as you just know it to be true because of all the facts supporting it - doesn't change the FACT that is is an opinion. Subjective.

33 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Fulgham will be 30 before the Eagles are competitive again.

 

You don't think the Eagles are going to be competitive again until 5 seasons from now?  Fulham doesn't turn 30 for another in 4 1/2 years.

21 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You don't think the Eagles are going to be competitive again until 5 seasons from now?  Fulham doesn't turn 30 for another in 4 1/2 years.

Even if they weren't not sure why it matters in context of the discussion.

Either way I'm excited to see what this young group of WRs can do.

Not all of them work out or meet expectations and I think they all have potential except JJAW,I think he's done.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Fulgham will be 30 before the Eagles are competitive again.

I don’t buy that. I think the Eagles may be more competitive than folks suspect next year.  I suspect they make inroads towards curing their secondary in this draft.  There is a chance that the OL will return to health and a solid performance. The restructuring of Brooks suggests that.  I won’t be surprised at all if the WRs take the next step.  A lot will depend on health but it usually does.  

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Of course but you got to get on Howies level here 

I know, ugh. I guess I'm still holding out hope Gannon has some influence here 

Very weird feeling so blah just two days away from the legal tampering period.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Very weird feeling so blah just two days away from the legal tampering period.

And still 12 mil over. They need to clear at least 16 mil more to get under the cap and have money for the draft picks. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ironically, I'm going with more cucumbers this year.   I'll be training them up a trellis and trying to keep them trimmed to a single vine... maybe two... per plant.  Some Boston pickling and some straight 8s.  I also plan to try my hand at home fermenting some dills.  

 

Regarding the teen freezes... if they are only isolated scenarios, you can always cover stuff up for those nights to protect them briefly.  Blankets do wonders.   But, if its something that lasts for weeks or if it is a case of those being the highs, then its a losing battle.  Though, there is a guy in Maine who does some amazing things with a winter garden - Eliot Coleman.   I read some of his stuff and its truly amazing.   Through use of cold frames, etc. and focusing on the most cold hardy of crops, he manages to pull things from his garden fresh year round... in zone 4 or maybe even 3. 

I inherited all my mom’s and dad’s pickle recipes if you need any, PM me.   When my dad passed, in their standup freezer there must have been thirty jars of pickles, at least.   He made a hot pickle that only he could eat.  I do pickle when I cook.  There are so many things a pickled shallot makes better, after all.  I just don’t like cucumbers and even pickling doesn’t help make them taste good for me.  

My mom had a big old fired fermenting crock where she would dump cucumbers in with fresh ground dill to make the fermented dills. The house would smell like pickles for weeks.  You know how they say a large part of tasting food is smelling it, well for a few weeks it seemed like everything would have a dill pickle flavor to it.  

Mom preferred the crock to jars because jars let light in.  With a good fired crock, it doesn’t absorb the dill or garlic (my sister only likes dill pickles and swears she has never had as good of a pickle as mom’s garlic and dill).  Mom would also make her own fresh sauerkraut in the crock.  To this day, eating canned or jarred sauerkraut to me is like eating canned asparagus.  Shudder.