18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Sheesh.  I'm not sure what this means for Miles Sanders next contract.  He's a nice back but that seems high for him.

It means he'll be getting it from another team.

I like , Hawkins , Patterson and Hill as later rd RBs .

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s on pace for near identical stats to Aaron Jones. Miles edges him slightly in receiving yards, Jones has the advantage of rushing TD’s. I’m not paying him an average of $14M per year. And it will be 1-2 years from now so it could be more just due to inflation. Paying RB’s big money never works.

It does seem like a lot for a RB but a 4 year deal when he's still only 24/25 years old could make sense vs spending a half dozen or more assets/draft picks to try to replace him...and risk going 3-5 years without a RB of his caliber?

  It's simple.  You're either going to pay what a RB of his caliber is worth with money or you're going to pay for it with assets, trying to replace him...and risk going several years without a true #1 back.  How many assets did we spend on RB's after we traded McCoy?   How about paying DeMarco Murray what we paid him?  How did that work out?  Ryan Matthews? Wendell Smallwood?

And what happens when they get hurt?  You're already down to tier 2 RB's (like we were prior to Sanders)...how good are their replacements going to be? 

It's ironic because all you heard around here for the better part of 5 years was how we needed to get a true #1 back.  Now that we have him, "Well, we're not paying that for him." 

And let's not put the cart in front of the horse.  Sanders could be "ok" with a "RB rotation" role, based on his injury history and the fact that it could likely pro-long his career.   So he could conceivably work out a deal based on guaranteed money (signing bonus) then the rest based on performance, carries, games played, etc.   Not to mention he's a Pennsylvania guy, from Pittsburgh, went to Penn State, etc. so in all likelihood, I would think he would want to stay here. 

 

8 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Just officially announced , it was time , Saints have big problems moving forward 

Well Hill is definitely not the answer lol

Curious if they think they can do something with Winston and just ride that out until they're out of cap hell like us

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Well Hill is definitely not the answer lol

Curious if they think they can do something with Winston and just ride that out until they're out of cap hell like us

I think they bring Winston back 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It does seem like a lot for a RB but a 4 year deal when he's still only 24/25 years old could make sense vs spending a half dozen or more assets/draft picks to try to replace him...and risk going 3-5 years without a RB of his caliber?

  It's simple.  You're either going to pay what a RB of his caliber is worth with money or you're going to pay for it with assets, trying to replace him...and risk going several years without a true #1 back.  How many assets did we spend on RB's after we traded McCoy?   How about paying DeMarco Murray what we paid him?  How did that work out?  Ryan Matthews? Wendell Smallwood?

And what happens when they get hurt?  You're already down to tier 2 RB's (like we were prior to Sanders)...how good are their replacements going to be? 

It's ironic because all you heard around here for the better part of 5 years was how we needed to get a true #1 back.  Now that we have him, "Well, we're not paying that for him." 

And let's not put the cart in front of the horse.  Sanders could be "ok" with a "RB rotation" role, based on his injury history and the fact that it could likely pro-long his career.   So he could conceivably work out a deal based on guaranteed money (signing bonus) then the rest based on performance, carries, games played, etc.   Not to mention he's a Pennsylvania guy, from Pittsburgh, went to Penn State, etc. so in all likelihood, I would think he would want to stay here. 

 

I think for the most part I share this mindset.  It's not like we would be paying him Zeke or Bell kind of money.  For a team so thin on talent, Sanders is one of maybe 5 guys they have worth keeping around and the conversation is always how to get rid of him.  I understand that side of the argument.  Paying for running backs isn't the smartest thing but it also isn't the worst if he's still young and such.

Maybe not

 

@AdamSchefter

Saints are restructuring QB Taysom Hill’s contract to create cap room. Details are great: it’s a 4-year, $140 million contract extension - but all years are voidable and it’s a mechanism to free up cap space this year, per source. It saves Saints over $7.5M against cap this year.

 

Just now, Original Sin said:

I think they bring Winston back 

Was he a FA this offseason? I thought he was still under contract

Just now, Original Sin said:

Maybe not

 

Saints are restructuring QB Taysom Hill’s contract to create cap room. Details are great: it’s a 4-year, $140 million contract extension - but all years are voidable and it’s a mechanism to free up cap space this year, per source. It saves Saints over $7.5M against cap this year.

What in the entire F

LMFAO

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Was he a FA this offseason? I thought he was still under contract

FA

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Was he a FA this offseason? I thought he was still under contract

What in the entire F

LMFAO

Hill’s contract numbers this year include a $9.686 million signing bonus, a $1.439 million guaranteed roster bonus and a $1.034 million guaranteed base salary, plus incentives, per source.

 

#Saints already working on a deal with Jameis Winston. Likely their starter in 2021, per

@RapSheet

.

1 minute ago, Original Sin said:

Hill’s contract numbers this year include a $9.686 million signing bonus, a $1.439 million guaranteed roster bonus and a $1.034 million guaranteed base salary, plus incentives, per source.

 

Lol the replies

 

lol

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s on pace for near identical stats to Aaron Jones. Miles edges him slightly in receiving yards, Jones has the advantage of rushing TD’s. I’m not paying him an average of $14M per year. And it will be 1-2 years from now so it could be more just due to inflation. Paying RB’s big money never works.

Sanders is also hurt all the time, he isn't worth a big contract for the 12 games a year he's available.

39 minutes ago, SBorBust said:

You were looking at ‘19 and ‘20 base salaries.

No I’m looking at cap hit vs dead money for 2021 and 2022

35 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It does seem like a lot for a RB but a 4 year deal when he's still only 24/25 years old could make sense vs spending a half dozen or more assets/draft picks to try to replace him...and risk going 3-5 years without a RB of his caliber?

  It's simple.  You're either going to pay what a RB of his caliber is worth with money or you're going to pay for it with assets, trying to replace him...and risk going several years without a true #1 back.  How many assets did we spend on RB's after we traded McCoy?   How about paying DeMarco Murray what we paid him?  How did that work out?  Ryan Matthews? Wendell Smallwood?

And what happens when they get hurt?  You're already down to tier 2 RB's (like we were prior to Sanders)...how good are their replacements going to be? 

It's ironic because all you heard around here for the better part of 5 years was how we needed to get a true #1 back.  Now that we have him, "Well, we're not paying that for him." 

And let's not put the cart in front of the horse.  Sanders could be "ok" with a "RB rotation" role, based on his injury history and the fact that it could likely pro-long his career.   So he could conceivably work out a deal based on guaranteed money (signing bonus) then the rest based on performance, carries, games played, etc.   Not to mention he's a Pennsylvania guy, from Pittsburgh, went to Penn State, etc. so in all likelihood, I would think he would want to stay here. 

 

A. It does not take a half dozen draft picks to replace a RB. That’s just silly nonsense. 
 

B. DeMarco Murray was stupid and half the fans saw that from the beginning. And it was stupid because you are paying a RB top dollar. Which is the entire point. Don’t pay a RB top dollar. 
 

C. People wanted an upgrade over Smallwood and Adams. No one was clamoring for an Ezekiel Elliott or Barkley. 
 

D. Why the hell would you pay top 3 RB money to just be a rotational role?

Jalen Hurts is working out with Nelson Agholor lol. Do it Howie, I dare you. 
 

side note: can we stop with these stupid "QB is working out with teammates” tweets. Do people think they just sit around all offseason? 

7 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

What is the broad candidate pool for NFL coaches? 

I understand passive aggression and arrogance are difficult traits to change but it is because you are mediocre or worse.

Obviously you’re too stupid to understand that if you only interview people you personally know, as opposed to the much broader candidate pool of coaches, you’re less likely to find the best candidate.

But that’s not surprising because you also couldn’t stop slurping the worst QB in the league in Carson Wentz.

Someone who worships failure like you wouldn’t understand the first thing about maximizing performance.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Sorry Zach but Howie needs to spend his time getting under the cap while hanging on to you.  

3 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

I see your case but Howie isn’t going anywhere. Lurie is blinded by this guy. The Eagles would have to be really bad the next 2 seasons. I dont/can’t wait for that. I hope Howie redeems himself and the Eagles win now. I don’t care who looks good or bad just get it done. 

Actually, the record the next two seasons is pretty irrelevant, unless they have a Jets implosion.

What matters is going into 2023, is the roster full of young players who are showing substantial progress, that is, are they acquiring and developing the young talent needed for a major turnaround and not merely to sneak into the playoffs for a couple years. If so, then 2-3 strategic FA acquisitions can make them a major power once again. You don't even need a franchise QB, just a competent one.

A rebuild was inevitable, if Howie can do it in two seasons, he'll have grossly outperformed Licht in TB, and if it's sustainable, Grigson in Indy.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jalen Hurts is working out with Nelson Agholor lol. Do it Howie, I dare you. 
 

side note: can we stop with these stupid "QB is working out with teammates” tweets. Do people think they just sit around all offseason? 

There is no news - reporters gotta report

Saints had a great run.  Now here comes the pain.  

Winston can sling it, but we all know his issues with turnovers and between the ears.  With the right coaching and after learning under Brees, maybe he turns into something.  Hill just sucks.  I'd go all in on Winston for the offseason, give him a chance to show they can still compete.  By the deadline, if you realize that Winston is the Winston everyone thinks he is, go hard firesale.  Michael Thomas, Teron Armstead, Kamara.  Get them all out and grab the picks.

5 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Obviously you’re too stupid to understand that if you only interview people you personally know, as opposed to the much broader candidate pool of coaches, you’re less likely to find the best candidate.

But that’s not surprising because you also couldn’t stop slurping the worst QB in the league in Carson Wentz.

Someone who worships failure like you wouldn’t understand the first thing about maximizing performance.

The NFL is a small talent pool, but one with very unique skills, it isn't like hiring a middle management guy or a coder.

What search firm has the expertise to judge NFL coaches and assistant coaches?

The skill sets are so unique, and the opportunity for a search firm to sell its services so limited, that its unlikely to have much of a market.

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jalen Hurts is working out with Nelson Agholor lol. Do it Howie, I dare you. 
 

side note: can we stop with these stupid "QB is working out with teammates” tweets. Do people think they just sit around all offseason? 

You know damn well the media is going to do everything in their power to show that Jalen Hurts is doing things now so people and their short term memories can say look at Jalen, Carson never did that.  

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The NFL is a small talent pool, but one with very unique skills, it isn't like hiring a middle management guy or a coder.

What search firm has the expertise to judge NFL coaches and assistant coaches?

The skill sets are so unique, and the opportunity for a search firm to sell its services so limited, that its unlikely to have much of a market.

It doesn't take the sharpest tool in the shed to be an NFL assistant coach.  It takes someone with the right connections.  Nepotism narrows the pool down more than anything else.  It's a combination of former pro players, buddies/family of HC's, and those who climb the tall ladder through the college ranks.  This is the case for 32 teams.

The biggest difference between the WR coach for the Chiefs and the offensive coordinator the group 2 high school Kansas state champions is circumstance.  At the end of the day, this is football, not string theory.

My thing is.. what do we do with Dallas Goedert? He’s a pretty good TE. Do we plan on keeping him? 
 

At pick 6, Kyle Pitts keeps coming up. I am torn on him. As a receiving prospect, he’s as good as any in this draft, but he’s not a TE. If we spend that pick on him, we can’t re-sign Goedert for what his market value will be, because he’ll be a "2nd TE” again. And if we get Pitts, do we even have enough WRs to play the outside? Fulgham maybe was a flash in the pan, but his numbers only went down when Alshon came back and took his snaps. With Wentz, Fulgham was great. Can Jalen Hurts make the throws to utilize him. Will Reagor take the next step? Can we afford to add a FA? 
 

Between Chase and Smith, it’s a toss up to me. Smith is the technician and Chase is the size/athleticism guy. But he hasn’t played in a year. On the surface, it makes sense to go with Goedert and one of those guys at 6, but given our cap situation, it may make sense to go with Pitts and let Goedert walk next year.