No point going back to Agholor. Move on.  Wildly inconsistent player. 

 

We have young WRs on rookie deals.  Just let them play and develop.  

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He didn't leave.  He got traded.  Not his fault.  Either way, no way in hell he is a Hall of Famer.  

Right, that's what I meant...he didn't want to leave (get traded).  Just curious, what in your mind would make him a HOF player?  Reub did a great job showing where he stands against current HOF players and he's right up there in the top.

Also, FWIW, before I read that piece I was 100% he doesn't belong in the HOF too.  Now, I think there's an argument that he does.

30 minutes ago, greend said:

Pfizer

We're Pfizer Bros! 

Pfizer in the houuuuuuuse!

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I have to get my second pfizer shot next week.  Going to shoot for Mon-Wed so I don't lose a weekend day feeling like ish.  I have heard the effects from the Pfizer was not as bad as Moderna.  Were you grounded for a day after your second shot?

Nope just a sore arm........................my wife however was

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn't read Rueb the Boobs article.  I don't care what that guy had to say.  No chance Lesean McCoy is an NFL Hall of Famer.  To be a HOF RB.  You either have insane numbers for a long period of time or multiple great seasons while leading your team to a SB.  He has good numbers for 5 seasons.  And he was never part of a SB winning offense....I don't care that he was on the sideline for the last two.  That means nothing.  He was not instrumental in winning a SB.  His most memorable moment in the NFL was a game in the snow.  He never finished high in an MVP race, not once.  Was he ever instrumental in winning a playoff game?  I'm asking because I don't seem to remember.  Maybe I am missing one.  

 

People need to take off the fan boy glasses and realize that the HOF stands for greatness.  Not goodness.  

Read the article...it changed my mind although I agree with the Reub the Boob ha. 

He DID have insane numbers for a decade..more than 5 years.  There is a legit case.

Not being a fan boy.  I edited my initial response to you before this one.  I didn't think he would even sniff the HOF before I read the numbers.  

37 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I agree with this entirely. I think a lot of fans don't see past the current year which is never really good but in a rebuild it's absurd. This draft has to be about adding talent. Take the best talent at 6. IF ... there are several guys you like at 6 trade back a few spots (if possible - it does take 2 to make a trade happen). We already have a TE - if Pitts is the best talent on the board but he can't play X, Y, Z or the violin then trade back. But every pick has to be about adding talent - we need to think 2 years from now and beyond.

dont need a tight end? didnt we win a superbowl with ertz and celek which they were good? wasnt mcnabb good because he had great tightends and not so great receivers?

7 minutes ago, Solomon said:

We're Pfizer Bros! 

Pfizer in the houuuuuuuse!

High 5

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn't read Rueb the Boobs article.  I don't care what that guy had to say.  No chance Lesean McCoy is an NFL Hall of Famer.  To be a HOF RB.  You either have insane numbers for a long period of time or multiple great seasons while leading your team to a SB.  He has good numbers for 5 seasons.  And he was never part of a SB winning offense....I don't care that he was on the sideline for the last two.  That means nothing.  He was not instrumental in winning a SB.  His most memorable moment in the NFL was a game in the snow.  He never finished high in an MVP race, not once.  Was he ever instrumental in winning a playoff game?  I'm asking because I don't seem to remember.  Maybe I am missing one.  

 

People need to take off the fan boy glasses and realize that the HOF stands for greatness.  Not goodness.  

I tend to agree.  But I do think there's a minor case for putting him on the ballot even if he never gets chosen. 

He was the most elusive RB since Marshall Faulk drafted in 1994, and there has still not been a RB as elusive a McCoy who was drafted in 2009. That's 15 years between him and Faulk, and remains to be seen when the next one comes along with that kind of ability. Already over a decade has passed. So now you're looking at 26 years and counting, and just one with that level of elusiveness has come in to the league. 

You can argue hes a once in a generation type player. Not by stats but by the things he was able to to to defenders that no one else can.  In a way, that makes him special. 

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He eclipsed 1,000 yards for 6 seasons.  Double digit TD in a season, twice.  That's good numbers.  Not insane and not a decade.  Not good enough for the HOF.  I am not going to read the article.  Roob might form a nice argument and that's great.  But from a logical view, McCoy is not a HOF running back.  

OK, these 2 stats stick out to me like a sore thumb.

 

From 2010 through 2019, McCoy led the NFL with 10,434 rushing yards and 13,923 scrimmage yards. He had nearly 1,700 more scrimmage yards than any other NFL player during the decade and more than 2,000 more rushing yards.

Shady’s 15,000 scrimmage yards are 18th-most in NFL history by a running back, 26^th ever by any player and 4th-highest among backs who averaged at least 4.5 yards per carry. During the 12-year period that he played - 2009 through 2020 - McCoy had over 1,000 more scrimmage yards than any other running back. Adrian Peterson was second with 13,792.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Zero playoff wins. 

 

5 pro bowls and 2 All Pros.  

 

Not a HOF running back.  

This is why it's an interesting argument.  If those 2 things are measuring sticks....

 

McCoy made six Pro Bowls and 1^st-team all-pro twice. Of 18 eligible running backs who’ve made six Pro Bowls, the only ones who aren’t in the Hall of Fame are Don Perkins - who never ran for 1,000 yards in eight seasons with the Cowboys in the 1960s - and Mike Alstott, who was a fullback.

I'd like to see Howie stockpile late round picks this year and more picks next year.

This year will be a crapshoot, while next year will be a much deeper draft as players stay in school.

So good players will fall this year b/c lack of games/film, while picks generally will have more value next year.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

I'd like to see Howie stockpile late round picks this year and more picks next year.

Sure. This would require patience on Howie's part. Spoiler: He has none. 

The quality scouting departments will find the picks this year too , this draft will be a indicator of who the top scouting clubs are .

Such a weird spot to be in on the first real day of FA.  Normally on this day, I'd have all kinds of ideas and hopes for what I'd like to see the Eagles do.  I can't remember going into a FA like this.

With the Eagles situation, I'm not sure they can do much of anything of significance.  Not signing anyone, until the period where you find bargains to round out the roster, is probably the move.  The worst part is the likelihood that whatever the owner/GM does end up doing will probably not be the right move.

I'm interested to see if they can get something for Ertz, hopefully, and what they do with Barnett.

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I have watched less college hoops this year than any year I can remember.  And there will be teams that will have to drop out due to Covid.  So with those two things in mind, I look forward to having my most successful brackets I have had for a long time.  

Who’s your final four? I really love Illinois cause their point guard is phenomenal. And i really want to hear the announcers for 6 games talk about their big man cockburn lol

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

The Eagles won a Super Bowl with a "patchwork" committee at RB...so obviously it "can"work. 

That said, what happened the very next season?  They go from winning the Super Bowl to barely making the playoffs.  They went through 5-6 RB's that season, some of which were guys that would have been "on the street" had the Eagles not had a dire need at RB.  Do they win more than 9 games if Miles Sanders was on that team?  Probably.  Do they win the playoff game against New Orleans if Miles Sanders was on the team? It's certainly possible, given the fact that they rushed for 49 yards in the game. 

How many #1 NFL Rb's do what Miles Sanders does?  Typically, most #1 RB's are the powerhouse, N-S runners and the 3rd down backs are the ones that get most of the catches, bigger plays, etc,  Miles Sanders does both as a #1 RB.  And that affords the team the luxury of finding inexpensive, N-S runners as backups Vs.needing to go out and sign/draft a N-S runner as the #1 back, then needing to find a 3rd down back who "can do it all".  (Much easier to find traditional, N-S runners than it is to find a RB like Sanders).

Bargain deals?  Any free agent RB worth starting in the NFL will command at least 6-7 million a year in free agency. (Bottom tier starter).   If he signs for less than that, then he probably shouldn't be the #1 back.   

Miles Sanders has missed a total of 4 games due to injury since he's been in the NFL...all of them this past season.   Acting like he's some sort of "injury risk" when he's played in 29 out of 33 possible games, doesn't hold water, imo.   Now if he misses more games this season due to injury, then that's something that would be looked at and addressed when figuring out his next contract. 

Plan A: 

Let Sanders walk, sign a FA RB for 7 million.  Sign another FA RB as the 2nd stringer for 3 million.  Since both these deals will likely be "short term" deals, the Eagles go out and spend a high draft pick for the "RB of the future". (At least a 2nd rounder).  They go on to spend an additional 2 million that year on his rookie contract and another  2 million or so for the 4th RB.   So you go into the season with a JAG as the starting RB, an "unknown" rookie as the 2nd stringer and the 3rd and 4th stringers.   (This is after you just spent 2 years rebuilding; meaning the team should be a playoff contender by this point). 

This plan costs the team at least 14 million in salaries plus a 2nd round pick...and they no longer have a pro-bowl level player at the position.

Plan B:

Lock Sanders in after next season by offering him a "guaranteed" signing bonus to extend.  In exchange, Sanders takes an average of 11 million per year, over 4 years.  Most of the guaranteed money would likely be front loaded, so if they don't see value in keeping Sanders after the 2nd or 3rd year, they could easily get out of the contract. They draft a N-S runner late (6th or 7th rounds) either this year or next season.  He'll make an average of less than 1 million per year.  Then they spend the same amount (about 4 million total) on the 3rd and 4th stringers. 

This plan costs the team ONLY two million more in salaries, they retain a 2nd round pick and they have a pro-bowl RB starting for the team for the next 4 years. 

No disrespect but who (or why) would anyone pick plan A?

 

 

 

 

 

Plan C. Draft a guy in the fourth. It’s not as complicated as you are making it out to be. You don’t need to sign a vet for $7M, a backup for $3M and use a 2nd round pick. That’s nonsense and overkill. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Plan C. Draft a guy in the fourth. It’s not as complicated as you are making it out to be. You don’t need to sign a vet for $7M, a backup for $3M and use a 2nd round pick. That’s nonsense and overkill. 

No they need to draft a cheap backup running back in the second round to start our RB factory. 

32 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is why it's an interesting argument.  If those 2 things are measuring sticks....

 

McCoy made six Pro Bowls and 1^st-team all-pro twice. Of 18 eligible running backs who’ve made six Pro Bowls, the only ones who aren’t in the Hall of Fame are Don Perkins - who never ran for 1,000 yards in eight seasons with the Cowboys in the 1960s - and Mike Alstott, who was a fullback.

The fact alone he chose to advertise winning two Super Bowls as part of his case when he didn’t even touch the field in the playoffs for either team really comes off as delusional on his part.  There are countless players more deserving of induction 

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Who’s your final four? I really love Illinois cause their point guard is phenomenal. And i really want to hear the announcers for 6 games talk about their big man cockburn lol

Rooting for my alma mater...# 12 UCSB....Go Gauchos

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Haven't done them yet and I like I said, I haven't watched much this year.  Only UNC games.  So it will be the ultimate crapshoot.  

 

As always, it comes down to guard play and senior leadership.  I used to research teams based on those two factors and how they have played down the stretch.  But I am basically going to roll the dice this year.  

I think it’s likely Gonzaga’s year. Might be Mark few’s best team he’s had at Gonzaga which is saying a lot. Suggs and kispert are really good. Kispert is going to be a guy that people watch the tournament and just love to hate. The 2,3 and 4 seed in their bracket they faced this year and they beat every one of them and it wasn’t close. Beat Iowa by 11 (wasn’t as close as the score indicated up 20 in that game), Kansas by 12 and Virginia by 23 points. 

 

11 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Rooting for my alma mater...# 12 UCSB....Go Gauchos

Actually love them on that matchup against creighton. Also cheering for them as Pasternak is their coach. Former Az coach. Great guy. 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Haven't done them yet and I like I said, I haven't watched much this year.  Only UNC games.  So it will be the ultimate crapshoot.  

 

As always, it comes down to guard play and senior leadership.  I used to research teams based on those two factors and how they have played down the stretch.  But I am basically going to roll the dice this year.  

Let’s Go Heels!

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

Actually love them on that matchup against creighton. Also cheering for them as Pasternak is their coach. Former Az coach. Great guy. 

Always root for one of the 5 vs 12 under dog matchups...

Just now, aptosbird said:

Always root for one of the 5 vs 12 matchups...

I think Villanova is in trouble with Winthrop in that 5 vs. 12. That winthrop team has veterans and Villanova lost Gillespie. That’s a big time loss. they’ve not had enough time without him to really adjust. 

you want a fun team to watch eastern Washington as a 14 seed. I don’t think they’ll beat Kansas but Kansas dealing with covid and EWU is fun as heck to watch. Shantay legans is going to eventually move up to a bigger school. But they are a fun team. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just not a good enough shooting team and guard play.  

 

But....if they can keep Sharpe from going to the NBA and hope that the young guards can develop this offseason, they could be pretty good next year.  I want to see 15-20 lbs on Kessler this offseason.  

And they have talent on the way next year!  Should be a top 5 team next year. 

Interesting trade in the athletic mock draft published today. Traded with the niners and got waddle at 12. Here’s what they got. Frankly pretty underwhelming value. I feel like the draft value chart would indicate not enough to move back to 12 for a future 2nd and a comp 3rd 

6. ***TRADE***

San Francisco 49ers receive:
No. 6 overall

Philadelphia Eagles receive:
No. 12 overall
No. 103 overall
2022 second-round pick