if i am moving back to 12 i want their first next year. otherwise no deal.

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

if i am moving back to 12 i want their first next year. otherwise no deal.

Yep.

I wouldn't even discuss moving back past 8 without a 2022 first round pick on the table.  Maybe we need to give up some mid-round filler to even it out (depending on how far down we slide), but there is no way I'm moving back more than 2 spots and risking (per usual) letting the top talent get dictated to me without adding a 2022 1 to the fold.

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting trade in the athletic mock draft published today. Traded with the niners and got waddle at 12. Here’s what they got. Frankly pretty underwhelming value. I feel like the draft value chart would indicate not enough to move back to 12 for a future 2nd and a comp 3rd 

6. ***TRADE***

San Francisco 49ers receive:
No. 6 overall

Philadelphia Eagles receive:
No. 12 overall
No. 103 overall
2022 second-round pick

I love Waddle at 12 after a trade down, absolutely love it.  I hate the value of the trade-down.

Caplan said Eagles are just going to pay Barnett his 5th year option and maybe extend him eventually. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Caplan said Eagles are just going to pay Barnett his 5th year option and maybe extend him eventually. 

Also said the eagles will be in on brissett. Amazing last year we didn’t want to spend on a backup so we draft a cheap backup in the second. In a rebuild with even less cap space we are going to sign a backup in FA. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting trade in the athletic mock draft published today. Traded with the niners and got waddle at 12. Here’s what they got. Frankly pretty underwhelming value. I feel like the draft value chart would indicate not enough to move back to 12 for a future 2nd and a comp 3rd 

6. ***TRADE***

San Francisco 49ers receive:
No. 6 overall

Philadelphia Eagles receive:
No. 12 overall
No. 103 overall
2022 second-round pick

I think that's overall a fair trade. I guess I would be fine with this one. Especially if Pitts is off the board which I believe he will be now. I think I would rather a defensive player but I think Waddle will be a good one. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also said the eagles will be in on brissett. Amazing last year we didn’t want to spend on a backup so we draft a cheap backup in the second. In a rebuild with even less cap space we are going to sign a backup in FA. 

typical Howie/Lurie F up 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also said the eagles will be in on brissett. Amazing last year we didn’t want to spend on a backup so we draft a cheap backup in the second. In a rebuild with even less cap space we are going to sign a backup in FA. 

I think they will check in on Brissett but I don't see how they will be able to get him. He's still relatively young, will probably make a decent amount and will want to go somewhere to at least compete. 

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I didn't read Rueb the Boobs article.  I don't care what that guy had to say.  No chance Lesean McCoy is an NFL Hall of Famer.  To be a HOF RB.  You either have insane numbers for a long period of time or multiple great seasons while leading your team to a SB.  He has good numbers for 5 seasons.  And he was never part of a SB winning offense....I don't care that he was on the sideline for the last two.  That means nothing.  He was not instrumental in winning a SB.  His most memorable moment in the NFL was a game in the snow.  He never finished high in an MVP race, not once.  Was he ever instrumental in winning a playoff game?  I'm asking because I don't seem to remember.  Maybe I am missing one.  

 

People need to take off the fan boy glasses and realize that the HOF stands for greatness.  Not goodness.  

Mccoy never won a playoff game as an Eagle or a Bill. The two Superbowls he has he didnt even play in either of those post seasons.

There are other guys with more or comparable yards and tds that won more playoff games and even Superbowls that aren't HOFs.

There is no reason in my mind mccoy should be a HOFer anyone making the case is doing so through eagles colored glasses

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I think that's overall a fair trade. I guess I would be fine with this one. Especially if Pitts is off the board which I believe he will be now. I think I would rather a defensive player but I think Waddle will be a good one. 

I don’t think the value is overall that fair tbh. You are moving back 6 spots. So looking at the value chart pick 6 is worth 1600 and pick 12 is 1200. If you got their second this year the value is 460 for their second rounder and 103 would be 88. However that second rounder isn’t until next year so it’s seen as the equivalent to a third rounder. Basically would be getting if it was the top 3rd round pick 265 and 88. Really isn’t great value especially with trey Lance on the board and that’s why the niners are moving up

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Plan C. Draft a guy in the fourth. It’s not as complicated as you are making it out to be. You don’t need to sign a vet for $7M, a backup for $3M and use a 2nd round pick. That’s nonsense and overkill. 

So your plan is to cut a 24 year old pro-bowl RB in the off-season, prior to their first season (after they spent the previous 2 years trying to upgrade every other position, in order to be a playoff team and a contender again in 2023)?

 

And you’re going to replace the pro-bowl RB with a 4th round pick?

Got it.

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think they will check in on Brissett but I don't see how they will be able to get him. He's still relatively young, will probably make a decent amount and will want to go somewhere to at least compete. 

I’m guessing probably feels like he could compete here for the job even with the the fact it was reported hurts wasn’t having competition. I do agree he likely falls out of their price range. However i still think it’s ridiculous they didn’t want to even consider spending on a veteran backup last year and went cheap backup in second but in a year in a rebuild with less money to spend would consider it 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

So your plan is to cut a 24 year old pro-bowl RB in the off-season, prior to their first season (after they spent the previous 2 years trying to upgrade every other position, in order to be a playoff team and a contender again in 2023)?

 

And you’re going to replace the pro-bowl RB with a 4th round pick?

Got it.

 

 

 

 

My plan is to not pay top dollar to a RB. I thought I made that clear. Where did I ever say cut? You play him this year, play him next year, he walks as FA at 26, you get a comp pick when someone foolishly gives him big money. 

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I tend to agree.  But I do think there's a minor case for putting him on the ballot even if he never gets chosen. 

He was the most elusive RB since Marshall Faulk drafted in 1994, and there has still not been a RB as elusive a McCoy who was drafted in 2009. That's 15 years between him and Faulk, and remains to be seen when the next one comes along with that kind of ability. Already over a decade has passed. So now you're looking at 26 years and counting, and just one with that level of elusiveness has come in to the league. 

You can argue hes a once in a generation type player. Not by stats but by the things he was able to to to defenders that no one else can.  In a way, that makes him special. 

 

Yet with that once in a generational talents he led the league in rushing all of once and rushing tds once.

I think most fans tend to over rate their own.

For instance Ricky watters not in the HOF.

Has 1 more 1000 year season than mccoy, about 1000 less rush yards in fewer seasons than mccoy. And about 1000 more receiving yards in less seasons and a couple more rush tds in less seasons.

And ricky won a super bowl  a game he scored 3 tds in.

Mccoy never even won a playoff game. He has as many post season tds as fumbles 1 of each and averaged under 4 yards/carry in the playoffs at 3.8.

Mccoy had a good run where he was pretty good for about 4-5 seasons.

Compare that to a guy like curtis martin who had 10 straight 1000 yard seasons and played in a super bowl or ricky watters who has comparable stats and a superbowl and it's pretty clear mccoy isn't HOF

 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting trade in the athletic mock draft published today. Traded with the niners and got waddle at 12. Here’s what they got. Frankly pretty underwhelming value. I feel like the draft value chart would indicate not enough to move back to 12 for a future 2nd and a comp 3rd 

6. ***TRADE***

San Francisco 49ers receive:
No. 6 overall

Philadelphia Eagles receive:
No. 12 overall
No. 103 overall
2022 second-round pick

The trade would need context.  BUF essentially traded two 2nd round picks (#53 and 56) to TB to move from #12 to 7 (threw in a 7th round pick I believe), and that was for their QB (Allen) in a very deep QB class.  Allen was the 3rd of 5 QBs taken in the first round, with Rosen going #10 and Lamar Jackson #32.

To get two 2nd round picks out of John Lynch, SF would need to believe the QB on the board is their guy (whether it be Lance or Fields) and their won't be anything available at #12.  Quite a few people still believe SF will re-acquire Garappolo; if they don't there is still Mac Jones who will likely be there at #12 if they evaluate him highly.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

The trade would need context.  BUF essentially traded two 2nd round picks (#53 and 56) to TB to move from #12 to 7 (threw in a 7th round pick I believe), and that was for their QB (Allen) in a very deep QB class.  Allen was the 3rd of 5 QBs taken in the first round, with Rosen going #10 and Lamar Jackson #32.

To get two 2nd round picks out of John Lynch, SF would need to believe the QB on the board is their guy (whether it be Lance or Fields) and their won't be anything available at #12.  Quite a few people still believe SF will re-acquire Garappolo; if they don't there is still Mac Jones who will likely be there at #12 if they evaluate him highly.

Was to trade for Lance as the 4th quarterback taken. And they don’t need to re-acquire Jimmy G. He’s still there. They could trade or cut him and save a bunch of cap due to little dead money. 

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

My plan is to not pay top dollar to a RB. I thought I made that clear. Where did I ever say cut? You play him this year, play him next year, he walks as FA at 26, you get a comp pick when someone foolishly gives him big money. 

Lol no point arguing with that guy. He thought the offense last year was all Wentz's fault (lobbied to play Hurts just to see if the offense looked different....surprise, it looked just as bad). Now he's saying pay out a big contract to a RB who has had durability issues (yeah he's dressed for most games, but how many times has he had to leave in game due to an injury?). He also wants to bring Agholor back. Every thought this guy has about roster construction is just flat out wrong. It's hilarious. 

Going from 6 to 12 with 2 2nd rounders (2021, 2022) makes sense. Those are top 50 picks and are very valuable. 

FA gonna be a bummer this year. Legal tampering begins in 15 minutes, and there will be no Eagles news, except for restructures and possibly an Ertz trade.

 

The "legal tampering period” begins at 12 p.m. ET on Monday, March, 15. That’s typically when you see players "agree to terms” with a new team.

37 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Caplan said Eagles are just going to pay Barnett his 5th year option and maybe extend him eventually. 

In other words, wasting $10 million, letting him walk in hopes for a comp pick.

What an uninspiring move that would be.

I remember McCoy getting tackled at or behind the LOS because he was too busy trying to break ankles when he should have just ran straight

He'll always have that Snow Bowl though

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The trade would need context.  BUF essentially traded two 2nd round picks (#53 and 56) to TB to move from #12 to 7 (threw in a 7th round pick I believe), and that was for their QB (Allen) in a very deep QB class.  Allen was the 3rd of 5 QBs taken in the first round, with Rosen going #10 and Lamar Jackson #32.

To get two 2nd round picks out of John Lynch, SF would need to believe the QB on the board is their guy (whether it be Lance or Fields) and their won't be anything available at #12.  Quite a few people still believe SF will re-acquire Garappolo; if they don't there is still Mac Jones who will likely be there at #12 if they evaluate him highly.

Lynch already made comments about how difficult it is to deal with Howie. Howie isn't pulling any wool over his eyes. Lynch will simply walk away from our GM if he doesn't think the offer is fair. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In other words, wasting $10 million, letting him walk in hopes for a comp pick.

What an uninspiring move that would be.

seriously. 

I bet Johnathan Hankins is a target for the team.  It's not surprising they couldn't extend Barnett. If I was him, I would not sign an extension given the down year for cap space and potential of hitting free agency the following season.  

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Lynch already made comments about how difficult it is to deal with Howie. Howie isn't pulling any wool over his eyes. Lynch will simply walk away from our GM if he doesn't think the offer is fair. 

This situation is different because the trade up would be for a QB, if the Niners are all in. The Eagles have the leverage, and if I were the Eagles, I wouldn't consider any trade offers until draft day.

13 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

In other words, wasting $10 million, letting him walk in hopes for a comp pick.

What an uninspiring move that would be.

patience. it also buys time to determine if he has hit his ceiling - he's still young

On 3/12/2021 at 4:07 PM, austinfan said:

You build two playoff teams in 8 years and win a SB, you'll be in demand.

There are those who'll always disdain him for not being a "football guy," but there will also be owners tired of hiring football guys and going 2-14 (SF under Chip and Gamble).

Never got that answer,  who was the 9ers GM after Gamble ??