25 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean his time to throw stats were in the middle of the pack but ahead of Mahomes or Wilson.  https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw 

Interesting page. QBs in general seem to take longer to throw the ball than they did 10 years ago. Wonder if there's a metric for the "quality" of a longer time to throw -- as in waiting for routes to develop downfield vs. not being able to identify open receivers.

Also, crazy how similar Carson Wentz's season was to Drew Lock's.

22 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Supposed to have Chipotle for lunch, future-me thanks you for the vivid description.

Never have I come closer to putting people on ignore.  

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

If any team should do it, Washington should make the run at Watson. It'll take a lot, but getting him would solidify them as a top contender in the NFC IMO.

That would suck if he went to Skins

55 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Person quoted an executive with an NFL team that has closely monitored the quarterback market who said Carolina remains focused on trading for Watson, 25, who desperately wants out of Houston. Person said "Watson looks to be Plan A, B and C" for the Panthers and the team's owner, David Tepper. Person expected Tepper and the Carolina front office to be as aggressive as any team interested in landing Watson, with "three first-round picks the likely starting point" in trade talks. Carolina has $29.8 million in cap room after a series of roster cuts and the restructuring of Christian McCaffrey's and Shaq Thompson's contracts. The Texans remain dug in on keeping Watson, but it would seem the Panthers are among the favorites to acquire the QB if Houston relents.

 

per nbc sports

It'll be interesting what happens. Will he hold out and not show up to force Texans to deal him. He has the no trade clause so he can choose where he wants to go but would he sacrifice his choice just to leave

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I ignore QB rating, it double counts and ignores a number of factors.

QBR, while far from perfect, is a much better gauge of QB play.  Watson was 12th in 2020, 7th in 2019, 13th in 2018.  Mahomes, 2nd, 2nd, 1st.

 

Lmao of course you do. Anytime something that goes against your argument you ignore. That’s not shocking. Still had an average of 10th in the league over the three years. But hey let’s ignore things like 68.5% completion percentage. 85 tds to 28 ints with an awful oline. I didn’t even add the 15 rushing tds into this. Or the fact this year he led the league in passing yards, 70% completion (highest of his career), 33 (most in any season of his career) and 7 ints (least in any season in his career). But clearly it was just Hopkins... 

and mahomes did that and yet is still unproven according to you. Fascinating. 

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I ignore QB rating, it double counts and ignores a number of factors.

QBR, while far from perfect, is a much better gauge of QB play.  Watson was 12th in 2020, 7th in 2019, 13th in 2018.  Mahomes, 2nd, 2nd, 1st.

 

You ignore QB rating because it does not fit your narrative.

2020, Watson threw for 4800 yards at 8.9 yards per attempt ( both led the league ), 33 TD's, 7 picks while completing 70% of his passes.

There is nothing wrong with Deshaun Watson's arm.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well the good thing about the legal process is that the accuser's veracity and the evidence will have to substantiate the claim.  I don't find it suspicious other than the accusation is against a well known player.  Certainly there is reason to believe that the accuser could be telling the lies. I will say that very few complaints are filed without vetting of the claims.  It's not like she walked into this attorney's office and he decided to file suit the next day.  She likely had some level of evidence that supported some claim.  It doesn't mean that she will prevail.  It's from the plaintiff's lawyer because it doesn't seem like there is a corresponding criminal case. 

People have this idea that you can just sue people and win (Trump filed a lot of suits, but most were "nuisance" suits designed to intimidate, not to garner results).

It's expensive, even on contingency a lawyer has to decide to commit a lot of resources (her time, and support staff which costs real money). And unless you have a slam dunk case or a weak opponent (which usually means shallow pockets so not a lot to win if you're successful), it's very risky.

Now it's easy to threaten to sue, or take the first steps without committing a lot of resources, and hope the other party will pay for it to go away, because even though they know they'll win, the cost of defending the suit and bad publicity makes a small settlement worth it. Conversely, sometimes the party being sued will fight tooth and nail even when it's not economically worthwhile b/c it's a "repeated game," and driving up the costs for a plaintiff lawyer discourages similar lawsuits in the future.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Interesting page. QBs in general seem to take longer to throw the ball than they did 10 years ago. Wonder if there's a metric for the "quality" of a longer time to throw -- as in waiting for routes to develop downfield vs. not being able to identify open receivers.

Also, crazy how similar Carson Wentz's season was to Drew Lock's.

I don't know how long the stat has been tracked.  It looks like there is only data over the last 5 seasons.  

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You ignore QB rating because it does not fit your narrative.

2020, Watson threw for 4800 yards at 8.9 yards per attempt ( both led the league ), 33 TD's, 7 picks while completing 70% of his passes.

There is nothing wrong with Deshaun Watson's arm.

Amazing about his response mahomes was 2nd, 2nd and 1st. Should’ve been playing in his third consecutive SB if Dee Ford didn’t pull an agholor but somehow claims he’s unproven and uses QBR not QB rating and QBR has proven mahomes is great. 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People have this idea that you can just sue people and win (Trump filed a lot of suits, but most were "nuisance" suits designed to intimidate, not to garner results).

It's expensive, even on contingency a lawyer has to decide to commit a lot of resources (her time, and support staff which costs real money). And unless you have a slam dunk case or a weak opponent (which usually means shallow pockets so not a lot to win if you're successful), it's very risky.

Now it's easy to threaten to sue, or take the first steps without committing a lot of resources, and hope the other party will pay for it to go away, because even though they know they'll win, the cost of defending the suit and bad publicity makes a small settlement worth it. Conversely, sometimes the party being sued will fight tooth and nail even when it's not economically worthwhile b/c it's a "repeated game," and driving up the costs for a plaintiff lawyer discourages similar lawsuits in the future.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People have this idea that you can just sue people and win (Trump filed a lot of suits, but most were "nuisance" suits designed to intimidate, not to garner results).

It's expensive, even on contingency a lawyer has to decide to commit a lot of resources (her time, and support staff which costs real money). And unless you have a slam dunk case or a weak opponent (which usually means shallow pockets so not a lot to win if you're successful), it's very risky.

Now it's easy to threaten to sue, or take the first steps without committing a lot of resources, and hope the other party will pay for it to go away, because even though they know they'll win, the cost of defending the suit and bad publicity makes a small settlement worth it. Conversely, sometimes the party being sued will fight tooth and nail even when it's not economically worthwhile b/c it's a "repeated game," and driving up the costs for a plaintiff lawyer discourages similar lawsuits in the future.

The reality is that money is not made by filing frivolous lawsuits.  Sure there are novel claims and certain class action claims where the damage per plaintiff is not significant but there's got to be some level of cognizable injury and evidence before you file suit. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i love Indian food. It’s one of my favorite if not my most favorite. One of my best friends from Indian owns a restaurant out here. Go in every Wednesday to get some and hangout with him. Murgh makhani or chicken masala with garlic cheese naan is delicious every time. 

It's delicious.  I'm a big lamb vindaloo guy myself.  That sauce has an extra kick and it's so flavorful.  I'm also a big fan of any type of masala and paneer as a vegetarian/side item.  

If the Texans and Seahawks don't trade their QBs this off-season, the Eagles suddenly are in a good position for the 2022 off-season. We'll likely have 2 1st rounders (including a top 10 pick), a potential cheap QB to trade if necessary and the cap room to absorb a QB contract with Wentz off the books. Other teams like Miami will no longer have their multiple 1sts to dangle. Other teams like Carolina may already use their assets to trade for a QB of the future.

It's yet another reason to NOT draft a QB this season. Let it play out.

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Watson would be a mistake, he would limit what eagles can do in the draft and money, build the rest of the team first , then find a QB , if Hurts isn’t the answer 

what did Watson ever win ? With better team talent than eagles currently have

The Washington Football Team is signing FA RB Lamar Miller to a 1-year deal, per

@DrewJRosenhaus

.

I love Watson but this defense is a joke and so is the receiving core combined with a old o-line. I really think they need to just focus on overall building the team back up with talent. Not day three picks either, that simply is not good enough considering where this team is currently talent wise. 

I'd roll with Hurts, build the defense and stock up more picks for next year in case Hurts doesn't look to be the future. 

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

It's delicious.  I'm a big lamb vindaloo guy myself.  That sauce has an extra kick and it's so flavorful.  I'm also a big fan of any type of masala and paneer as a vegetarian/side item.  

I like vindaloo but that spice is out my range. I like spicy but that’s a whole other level. Shahi paneer is also a favorite of mine. Have you tried bhegan bharta? It’s Indian eggplant. Really good.  

1 hour ago, Thrive said:

This is becoming a weekly occurrence but Jason Avant’s/Quinton Mickell’s podcast this week is incredible.

His thoughts on Nelson Agholor are precisely what some of the sages on the EMB have been shouting from the roof tops.

Just outstanding podcasting.

It was good, but I think they were a little too defensive with Agholor. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

William Jackson is a good signing for the Redskins.  I can see them making a move up from 19 to get Surtain or staying where they are hoping Jaycee Horn or Farley falls. 

They are about to take over the division. We will be in last place for the next couple years at least. And we are dependent on Howie to draft quality talent the next two years minimum to start actually getting better. 

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lmao of course you do. Anytime something that goes against your argument you ignore. That’s not shocking. Still had an average of 10th in the league over the three years. But hey let’s ignore things like 68.5% completion percentage. 85 tds to 28 ints with an awful oline. I didn’t even add the 15 rushing tds into this. Or the fact this year he led the league in passing yards, 70% completion (highest of his career), 33 (most in any season of his career) and 7 ints (least in any season in his career). But clearly it was just Hopkins... 

and mahomes did that and yet is still unproven according to you. Fascinating. 

My reference to Mahomes was people calling him a HOF QB. A bit early in his career for that, durability matters. McNabb looked like a star given his progress from 2000-2004, then he got injured in 2005 and never was the same. That's the difference between say Rodgers and Mahomes, we KNOW Rodgers is an elite franchise QB b/c he's done it for over a decade.

Watson did not have an awful O-line the past couple years, he has one of the best LTs in the NFL and the rest of the line is decent, if not special. Yet in 2019, with Hopkins, Fuller, Stills at WR, Akins and Fells at TE, Hyde/Johnson running for almost 1500 yards at a 4.7 clip, Houston only score 378 points, including 2 defensive TDs. Eagles scored 385 points that year (3 defensive TDs), with Sanders/Howard, Agholor and Jeffrey each starting 10 games at WR, Ertz and Goedert at TE. Which QB had the better skill players? Eagles had the better OL, except at LT where Peters was in decline.

Watson is solid, but his counting stats inflate his value, he has had solid skill players yet only one season with 400+ points. He is simply not an elite QB.

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Already posted???

 

Wentz. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The reality is that money is not made by filing frivolous lawsuits.  Sure there are novel claims and certain class action claims where the damage per plaintiff is not significant but there's got to be some level of cognizable injury and evidence before you file suit. 

The standard for cognizable injury and evidence are pretty low to file a suit and not have it thrown out, but filing a suit is one thing, the hard work of gathering evidence, and preparing a case is something else. The cost comes in the preparation, not in the filing.

So filing a case is more a shot across the bows, it doesn't mean there is enough evidence to have a shot at winning, just enough that a judge will provide you the opportunity to make a case. When a judge throws out a case on summary judgment (like all the claims of election fraud) that pretty much says you were just blowing smoke without a leg to stand on.

 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

My reference to Mahomes was people calling him a HOF QB. A bit early in his career for that, durability matters. McNabb looked like a star given his progress from 2000-2004, then he got injured in 2005 and never was the same. That's the difference between say Rodgers and Mahomes, we KNOW Rodgers is an elite franchise QB b/c he's done it for over a decade.

Watson did not have an awful O-line the past couple years, he has one of the best LTs in the NFL and the rest of the line is decent, if not special. Yet in 2019, with Hopkins, Fuller, Stills at WR, Akins and Fells at TE, Hyde/Johnson running for almost 1500 yards at a 4.7 clip, Houston only score 378 points, including 2 defensive TDs. Eagles scored 385 points that year (3 defensive TDs), with Sanders/Howard, Agholor and Jeffrey each starting 10 games at WR, Ertz and Goedert at TE. Which QB had the better skill players? Eagles had the better OL, except at LT where Peters was in decline.

Watson is solid, but his counting stats inflate his value, he has had solid skill players yet only one season with 400+ points. He is simply not an elite QB.

 

People be jumping the gun on calling players great and HOF'er so early.  Remember seeing someone refer to Justin Jefferson as a future Hall of Famer.  

Mahomes has incredible talent but what if he starts getting hit with injury after injury the next 3-5 years and his career isnt the same?

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Already posted???

My guess we will get a 3rd round pick this year and a 2022 2nd that could become a 1st. 

31 minutes ago, austinfan said:

My reference to Mahomes was people calling him a HOF QB. A bit early in his career for that, durability matters. McNabb looked like a star given his progress from 2000-2004, then he got injured in 2005 and never was the same. That's the difference between say Rodgers and Mahomes, we KNOW Rodgers is an elite franchise QB b/c he's done it for over a decade.

Watson did not have an awful O-line the past couple years, he has one of the best LTs in the NFL and the rest of the line is decent, if not special. Yet in 2019, with Hopkins, Fuller, Stills at WR, Akins and Fells at TE, Hyde/Johnson running for almost 1500 yards at a 4.7 clip, Houston only score 378 points, including 2 defensive TDs. Eagles scored 385 points that year (3 defensive TDs), with Sanders/Howard, Agholor and Jeffrey each starting 10 games at WR, Ertz and Goedert at TE. Which QB had the better skill players? Eagles had the better OL, except at LT where Peters was in decline.

Watson is solid, but his counting stats inflate his value, he has had solid skill players yet only one season with 400+ points. He is simply not an elite QB.

 

Legitimately I said he was one of the best quarterbacks in the league, a top three quarterback aka a elite franchise QB and you claimed to me he was unproven. Later on somebody said if you were to retire today or got hurt today he would be in the Hall of Fame. you claimed he was unproven when i said he was a elite franchise QB and one of the best in the league. Don’t change the narrative now (just so you know I went back to read what my post was it was that Mahomes was a franchise elite level quarterback. You said he was unproven. So your new narrative is not what you responded too)  

When didn’t tunsil become Jason peters and the rest of that oline is not that good. Pff in 2020 had the texans ranked 23rd ( https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2020-offensive-line-rankings). Please inform me how that is close to being special. The Eagles who had a ton of injuries along the offensive line manage to be higher than the Texans this past year with Tunsil. Wait let’s check in in 2019, they were ranked 20th so they got worse this past year (https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-following-2019-regular-season). Let’s now go to 2018, oh they were 23rd (https://www.pff.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17). So please explain to me how finishing in the bottom 10 is considered a decent to special.

you focus on points like it’s all Deshaun Watson‘s fault that their defense couldn’t get off the field and get on the ball so they could score more points. That’s a factor you’re not discussing. The fact that their defense was one of the worst in the league  

no way you surround your franchise quarterback with talent around and he could produce at a high-level. No way, what Fing concept. you know what’s amazing about you is if the Eagles did happen to trade for Watson your spin immediately after trading him would be completely different. Because that’s what you do.

 

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My guess we will get a 3rd round pick this year and a 2022 2nd that could become a 1st. 

I was thinking we reverse course and take the Bears 1st, 3rd, Cohen and Andy Dalton.

38 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Well the good thing about the legal process is that the accuser's veracity and the evidence will have to substantiate the claim.  I don't find it suspicious other than the accusation is against a well known player.  Certainly there is reason to believe that the accuser could be telling the lies. I will say that very few complaints are filed without vetting of the claims.  It's not like she walked into this attorney's office and he decided to file suit the next day.  She likely had some level of evidence that supported some claim.  It doesn't mean that she will prevail.  It's from the plaintiff's lawyer because it doesn't seem like there is a corresponding criminal case. 

You don't think it is strange that this claim happened against a star quarterback early in his contract that is holding his team hostage?  Basically saying he would never play for them again and demanding a trade?  Does Watson have any history -- at Clemson, at home or since he has been in Houston -- of this kind of story coming up?  I don't know the answer, but I have never seen anything.  Anything I have ever seen on Watson has generally been very positive about him as a person.

For me, it is highly suspicious.  Motives exist to change Watson's stance on playing for the Texans.  The claim may be perfectly legit, Watson may be a scumbag, maybe he committed crimes... but other possibilities exist here that are more likely they would usually be.  It's convenient that this claim may destroy the market for Watson.  It's also an opportunity for his current team to rally around him and support him.  It's exactly the kind of event that could change Watson's thinking and position on playing for the Texans vs. demanding a trade.  Heck, it could eliminate a trade as a possibility entirely.

I completely disagree that "few" claims are filed without "vetting" or "some level of evidence" to support -- vetting can mean different things.  It's often one accusers word against the other persons word.  There is seldom any "proof" outside of accounts from other people, what was said to others, etc.  In these high profile situations, you can have co-conspirators.  All they have to say is yes, she (the accuser) mentioned so-and-so did something.  Corroboration enough, right there.  Could also be an impossible-to-disprove lie.

In a situation like this, the standard for evidence should be high.  Had this happened last year, prior to Watson's stance about demanding a trade, I would not have thought this way.... Watson has too many enemies now, and some very powerful and influential people want to change his course of action.  I'm interested to see what this is all about.

14 minutes ago, hputenis said:

It's delicious.  I'm a big lamb vindaloo guy myself.  That sauce has an extra kick and it's so flavorful.  I'm also a big fan of any type of masala and paneer as a vegetarian/side item.  

Vindaloos, anything Kashmiri, Dosa's, but the best places to eat in India itself are little shops called darbars/dabars- especially those cooking with fire rather than gas.  The best.  A good roadside Thali hits the spot as well.