2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

In 2019 it was criminal how many yards Kyle Allen cost Samuel. He was really good as a deep threat. Allen just couldn’t hit him ever. 

He is good. 

He could be good with the right coaches and scheme, I guess. At least maybe as good as he was last year in his designated tweener role. But why in the world pay a limited WR who's previously failed in YOUR scheme over $11 million per year? 

What are the Flyers doing? 😂 Awesome.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That’s a kind of game that gets someone fired.  No excuse for that.   

I nominate Myers, Sanhiem, and Patrick.

Woulda been nice

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Yards/route run is a useful, but very downstream stat.  For instance, Mack Hollins...his yards/route run must have been abysmal.  He just played on the field all game long without ever getting a target.  Some of that is the fault of the WR for not getting open, some may be a QB or OL issue.  Yards per target...not sure that's necessarily better.  A WR who constantly gets open mid-range may have a lower yards per target than a downfield WR who is rarely open, but has a high yard per target (or yard per catch)...and has more value because he's often worth targeting.

Regardless, I cannot imagine a less efficient WR in the entire NFL (history?) than Greg Ward (not to open up a recently closed wound on the blog).  53 rec, 7.9 yards per reception with 3 rec over 20 yards, 0 over 40.  That's not even bad.  That's just....inappropriate.  Honestly more of a reflection of Doug's offense more than anything else.

 

16 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

He could be good with the right coaches and scheme, I guess. At least maybe as good as he was last year in his designated tweener role. But why in the world pay a limited WR who's previously failed in YOUR scheme over $11 million per year? 

Kind of a perfect storm. Took him a couple of years to develop, and then Kyle Allen crushed him in Rivera’s final year there. He was coming into his own then, only the QB was bad so I vehemently disagree that he failed there. 

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Regardless, I cannot imagine a less efficient WR in the entire NFL (history?) than Greg Ward (not to open up a recently closed wound on the blog).  53 rec, 7.9 yards per reception with 3 rec over 20 yards, 0 over 40.  That's not even bad.  That's just....inappropriate.  Honestly more of a reflection of Doug's offense more than anything else.

Jason Avant made some interesting points in his podcast today that discussed his career that are relevant to Greg Ward. You should listen to it, then you wouldn't post stuff like this.

Samuel is a diverse weapon who's 24 that can also play out of the backfield. Awesome diverse piece to their offense to go along with Gibson (22), Thomas (29) and Terry (25) . They add a WR in the draft like Bateman or Marshall and they're set up really well. Kudos to them. I wish we had dynamic pieces on offense like that. Instead we got the howie special, day three picks and busts 

Just now, jsb235 said:

Jason Avant made some interesting points in his podcast today that discussed his career that are relevant to Greg Ward. You should listen to it, then you wouldn't post stuff like this.

Jason Avant is actually someone Eagles fans have overrated over the years.  Sure hands underneath, complete non-threat in the red zone (Ward may actually have him beat on that front), took advantage of spacing that elite deep threats allowed him to just sit underneath and rack up stats catching balls under the radar.  Far more replaceable than anyone would have acknowledged.  Not surprised that he may compare parts of his game to Ward.  He's much, much better than Ward though.  Still, feel free to explain what he said, otherwise not much point in bringing it up.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Yup.  The debate of fewer, but higher picks versus several lower picks has no right or wrong answer.  

But the goal, either way, is to just add a couple successful big talents to the roster.  The goal is not to have more picks to fill more needs.  That's just wrong.

It absolutely has a right answer in the discrete breakdowns of specific moves by teams.   It does not have a philosophical right or wrong, because each draft is unique.

But, in the case of Howie throwing darts... maybe having more picks is better... or maybe having bigger targets is better.   Who is to say which has better odds?   Seems to me, when it comes to identifying WRs... a chimpanzee has a better chance of pecking out a perfect sentence on a keyboard than Howie making the right selection.  

Bears fans

 

Jason Avant without Jackson/Maclin just might be more similar to Greg Ward than we think.  You might be right.

Didn't see this one posted. Van Noy is a Patriot, because of course they signed him too.

 

56 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Washington is a great landing spot for Samuel. They want to have as many versatile pieces as possible. Gibson, McKissic and Samuel can all move between WR and RB. 

McKissic is another nice little piece. Not on the level of Samuel but still. He'd be our number two back pretty easily here and can help in the return game unlike Boston 

47 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Is Andy starting five Gs on the OL?

Kyle Long... my ideal choice to fill in at RG this past year, rather than Jason Peters.  1 year, $5M seems about what they paid Peters to suck all year at two different positions.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Jason Avant is actually someone Eagles fans have overrated over the years.  Sure hands underneath, complete non-threat in the red zone (Ward may actually have him beat on that front), took advantage of spacing that elite deep threats allowed him to just sit underneath and rack up stats catching balls under the radar.  Far more replaceable than anyone would have acknowledged.  Not surprised that he may compare parts of his game to Ward.  He's much, much better than Ward though.  Still, feel free to explain what he said, otherwise not much point in bringing it up.

He called himself an insurance policy. You don't want to use an insurance policy, but when the weather is bad, your qb can't hit the broadside of a barn and the team needs someone to catch a four yard pass on third and three to keep a key drive open, that's when you cash your insurance policy.

Ward is that. On third and three, you want a guy who can consistently get open and make a four yard catch. You are correct that Ward will never be an offensive juggernaut, but he's an insurance policy. And smart people have insurance.

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

It absolutely has a right answer in the discrete breakdowns of specific moves by teams.   It does not have a philosophical right or wrong, because each draft is unique.

But, in the case of Howie throwing darts... maybe having more picks is better... or maybe having bigger targets is better.   Who is to say which has better odds?   Seems to me, when it comes to identifying WRs... a chimpanzee has a better chance of pecking out a perfect sentence on a keyboard than Howie making the right selection.  

I think there is only a retrospective answer.  No philosophical right or wrong.

Consolidating multiple picks and opportunities into #6 overall for Julio Jones worked out pretty well.

But trading out of a lukewarm spot and getting multiple other players works out too.

On that note, thinking of Julio Jones at 6 makes me really disappointed in Chase and Smith.

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Jason Avant made some interesting points in his podcast today that discussed his career that are relevant to Greg Ward. You should listen to it, then you wouldn't post stuff like this.

Jason Avant offered value on ST.   Ward does not, and is in fact a major liability there.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Kyle Long... my ideal choice to fill in at RG this past year, rather than Jason Peters.  1 year, $5M seems about what they paid Peters to suck all year at two different positions.

I remember bringing this up during the season when he was tweeting stuff out. Nah, we're good there according to howie. He'd rather trot out the human refrigerator with feet in herbig 

Just now, eagle45 said:

I think there is only a retrospective answer.  No philosophical right or wrong.

Consolidating multiple picks and opportunities into #6 overall for Julio Jones worked out pretty well.

But trading out of a lukewarm spot and getting multiple other players works out too.

On that note, thinking of Julio Jones at 6 makes me really disappointed in Chase and Smith.

Nah, there's an 'in the moment' answer, too.   Given the way the board falls, 2 or 3 players could be on the board each offering almost identical value to your team, with no clear head above the rest.  So, a move down makes sense a few spots to maximize the value.   Meanwhile, there's the contrary situation where there is only one clear choice on the board when you are on the clock, and there it makes sense to pull the trigger and not mess around with potentially missing on the top tier player on the board.

I have no clue how much N’keal Harry would cost in trade compensation, but he might be worth kicking the tires on and hope we somehow can become a team that develops WRs. 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

He called himself an insurance policy. You don't want to use an insurance policy, but when the weather is bad, your qb can't hit the broadside of a barn and the team needs someone to catch a four yard pass on third and three to keep a key drive open, that's when you cash your insurance policy.

Ward is that. On third and three, you want a guy who can consistently get open and make a four yard catch. You are correct that Ward will never be an offensive juggernaut, but he's an insurance policy. And smart people have insurance.

 

Smart people who live in nice houses have insurance.  No point in homeowners insurance when you are homeless.  

Avant was a useful insurance policy when we have Jackson/Maclin.  If he led our offense in targets, we'd have learned to hate him too.

Greg Ward as a vanilla, non-playmaking, red zone irrelevant slot would be a reasonable insurance policy if we had 2 high end starting WRs.  Not ideal, but reasonable.

 

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

I remember bringing this up during the season when he was tweeting stuff out. Nah, we're good there according to howie. He'd rather trot out the human refrigerator with feet in herbig 

It wasn't about Herbig or Long.   It was about Peters or Long.   Herbig was cheap depth, something this team desperately needs (and frankly, he wasn't terrible once he got some experience).   Once the decision was made to bring in Peters rather than Long, there was no chance of bringing in Long.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I have no clue how much N’keal Harry would cost in trade compensation, but he might be worth kicking the tires on and hope we somehow can become a team that develops WRs. 

That's Belichick's answer to JJAW.  Short of swapping the two in a player for player trade, I'd rather pass.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

Smart people who live in nice houses have insurance.  No point in homeowners insurance when you are homeless.  

Avant was a useful insurance policy when we have Jackson/Maclin.  If he led our offense in targets, we'd have learned to hate him too.

Greg Ward as a vanilla, non-playmaking, red zone irrelevant slot would be a reasonable insurance policy if we had 2 high end starting WRs.  Not ideal, but reasonable.

 

 

Redzone irrelevant? Pretty sure he lead the team on Redzone TD catches last season.