6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That's the 5th least amount of cap space in the NFL, as of now, for 2023.

Fortunately, however, since none of Howie's crap draft picks will need to get extended, we don't figure to eat into that number much at all between now and then.  The rest of the league will probably creep lower in cap space as they extend their players.

It also doesn't account for the players that teams are signing now and in 2022 that will bring down their own cap space

7 minutes ago, greend said:

Yes, if you want compensation the best time to trade a player is when he's still good, is that what your point is?

You have a position that the rest of the NFL puts on the field 1 at a time.  You just had a season of doubling up on the position with 12 personnel.  Your offense was worse off for it.  Your top pick in the last draft plays this position and had a promising rookie season.  Your starter is 28, has 2 years left on his deal, has already approached you about an extension with top 2 money....and just had the best year of his career.

You trade the freaking starter for a ransom and never look back.

That's the point.  

 

But what's done is done.  For THIS offseason, if they can't get a 4th round pick, they should take their chances with a comp pick.  We aren't here to gift the NFL all of our talent just because no one wants to play here anymore and our cap is F-ed.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Just curious, we only have $106M in 2023, how many top FAs did you expect to sign that year?

We also only have 22 players under contract, and then if Hurts is the guy he gets a contract extension.

Plus along the way, you have the following players who you may want to keep to sign to extensions.

Barnett, Goedert, Sweat, Maddox, Fulgham, Mailata, Herbig, Edwards, Toth, Dillard, Sanders, plus the draft picks over that time and their escalating salaries.

You have a very narrow view of the salary cap.  You talked about the 70 + million we would have next year, now half of that is gone, and we still have not seen the restructures for Graham, Brooks, Elliott and McLeod.

Also in regards to next years cap, if the entire draft class sticks, their cap hits for 2022 are 16.5 million, deduct that from 34.4 million current cap space, you then have 17.9 million in cap space with 46 players under contract.  That is before you give any players who are FA's in 2022 a contract ( Barnett, Goedert, Singleton, Ward, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Edwards, Toth, Herbig )

3 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

It also doesn't account for the players that teams are signing now and in 2022 that will bring down their own cap space

Addressed above

15 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

 

 

 

He looks like Riley Cooper. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC.....did I say there was?  I am just saying I would hope the HC of an NFL team would not to bring up his High School coaching brother as the inspiration behind the idea.  

 

 

What's wrong with mentioning your brother? And coaching to the abilities of your players works at every level. Vince Lombardi coached high school. So did Bill Walsh.

Lmao at this Nick Sirianni "We're going to have Sysyssysysystems" drop that Jack Fritz on the Marks and Reese show created. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  I won't do that.  The guy looks like a complete moron, nice guy sure.  But completely out of his depth.  Howie comes off as a weak scared little fool.  So right now, how he talks to the press and sounds like cheerleader is all we got.  I know everyone wants this guy to work out.  I do to.  Would love to be wrong.  But JFC...has Lowie been wrong so many times these past 3 years.  Sorry my criticism of the teams bring posters down or they don't like to see it.    Kind of reminds me of last years draft when I started to rail after the top 3 picks.  Or when we drafted JJAw and people told me to let it play out.  Or Donnell Pumpfrey.....but I was told to relax since he'll be the next Darren Sproles......or when we brought D Jax back to "stretch the field"........  Why share an opinion on anything then?  Only post about what HAS or HAS NOT happened.  No need to talk about any college players before or after the draft.  Because until they play in the NFL, what's the point of discussion?

 

  

Well I'm not gonna get too excited about anything at all until I see things play out. Everyone thought Doug was an idiot (turns out they were mostly right) but it did get us a Super Bowl win. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You have a position that the rest of the NFL puts on the field 1 at a time.  You just had a season of doubling up on the position with 12 personnel.  Your offense was worse off for it.  Your top pick in the last draft plays this position and had a promising rookie season.  Your starter is 28, has 2 years left on his deal, has already approached you about an extension with top 2 money....and just had the best year of his career.

You trade the freaking starter for a ransom and never look back.

That's the point.  

 

But what's done is done.  For THIS offseason, if they can't get a 4th round pick, they should take their chances with a comp pick.  We aren't here to gift the NFL all of our talent just because no one wants to play here anymore and our cap is F-ed.

And if they traded him and he went berzerk, while D.G. is always injured here?  Sorry I do not prefer to trade away talent while it is still talented. I also totally disagree that Ertz would have gotten us a number 1 and change

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Lmao at this Nick Sirianni "We're going to have Sysyssysysystems" drop that Jack Fritz on the Marks and Reese show created. 

F those guys. There's nothing manly or tough about making fun of someone with a stutter. 

Just now, RLC said:

F those guys. There's nothing manly or tough about making fun of someone with a stutter. 

 

Does he have a stutter? I haven't heard one.  I think it's more making fun of one of the buzz words that Sirianni seems to repeat often. 

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Are you going to jump in every time I bring up JMcD?  Your opinion is noted, we get it.  I was talking about numerous options over this current mess.  Not just JMcD.  

Just for clarification, you can mention JMcD as often as you want but greend has used up the only response he is entitled to?  Didn’t you just accuse Apto of that sort of thing.  His point was solid.  Until JMcD gets another head coaching job, the only measure for him at that role is his past performance. 

There are no options to the "current mess” unless you honestly believe they are going to fire Sirianni before the start of the season and hire a whole new staff.  Options are the paths to take in the future, not changing what has already occurred. If Sirianni fails, it doesn’t mean Bienemy, Staley or JMcD would have done any better.  For those of us that believe Howie is a big part of the problem, it probably means that Howie is responsible for the failure. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Just for clarification, you can mention JMcD as often as you want but greend has used up the only response he is entitled to?  Didn’t you just accuse Apto of that sort of thing.  His point was solid.  Until JMcD gets another head coaching job, the only measure for him at that role is his past performance. 

There are no options to the "current mess” unless you honestly believe they are going to fire Sirianni before the start of the season and hire a whole new staff.  Options are the paths to take in the future, not changing what has already occurred. If Sirianni fails, it doesn’t mean Bienemy, Staley or JMcD would have done any better.  For those of us that believe Howie is a big part of the problem, it probably means that Howie is responsible for the failure. 

I was underwhelmed with the Sirianni hire myself but let's be serious, no coach is gonna do much with this roster.

24 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Another big WR from Stanford ...  I'm sure Philly fans will love the idea especially as Stanford is in PAC-12

Don't worry, Jeff Lurie has personally scouted him via TV into the wee small hours of Sunday mornings.

No-one else in the NFL has any idea about this guy. and he will therefore be a steal for the Eagles.

So much so, that after the draft, GMs will be queuing up to congratulate the Eagles on their shrewdness.

What could possibly go wrong?

9 minutes ago, justrelax said:

What's wrong with mentioning your brother? And coaching to the abilities of your players works at every level. Vince Lombardi coached high school. So did Bill Walsh.

And Doug Pederson, and Bum Phillips and the list goes on.

29 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

 

That's all well and fine, but who is the next Arcega-Whiteside?

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nope.  I won't do that.  The guy looks like a complete moron, nice guy sure.  But completely out of his depth.  Howie comes off as a weak scared little fool.  So right now, how he talks to the press and sounds like cheerleader is all we got.  I know everyone wants this guy to work out.  I do to.  Would love to be wrong.  But JFC...has Lowie been wrong so many times these past 3 years.  Sorry my criticism of the teams bring posters down or they don't like to see it.    Kind of reminds me of last years draft when I started to rail after the top 3 picks.  Or when we drafted JJAw and people told me to let it play out.  Or Donnell Pumpfrey.....but I was told to relax since he'll be the next Darren Sproles......or when we brought D Jax back to "stretch the field"........  Why share an opinion on anything then?  Only post about what HAS or HAS NOT happened.  No need to talk about any college players before or after the draft.  Because until they play in the NFL, what's the point of discussion?

 

  

I attempted valid discussion with you, asked valid questions and you responded with a laugh emoji.

Want discussion? Try engaging in some instead of hyperbolic rhetoric.

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

And Doug Pederson, and Bum Phillips and the list goes on.

Mike Holmgren was a HS coach in San Jose when Walsh got hired up the road at Stanford...Holmgren's HS QB was Marty Morningwieg at the time...funny how that works

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  And certainly not when the front office above him doesn't want him to improve the roster.  I know you meant coaching and not roster construction.  My point is, that it is obvious Lowie is willing to reset this thing and have NS be the bridge coach for the next few seasons.  At least that's what I hope.  Maybe, just maybe they think their next long term coach is already on the staff and they just don't believe that guy is ready yet.  Gannon or Johnson come to mind.  Since Lurie is a big offensive guy, maybe it's Johnson.  Since Sirianni had little knowledge of Johnson before he came here.  I am just theorizing here.  I can't believe that they think this guy is the coach they are trusting their rebuild with.  I pray they aren't that dumb.  But you're right.  No HC would make this a good team next year.  But that might be the goal for now.  

I look at it sort of like Brett Brown with the Sixers.  You hire a guy who you think will be good at developing young players and a positive culture during a rebuild.  When you're ready to compete again and Sirianni isn't up to snuff from an X and O's standpoint then you move on then.  No big deal.  

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We also only have 22 players under contract, and then if Hurts is the guy he gets a contract extension.

Plus along the way, you have the following players who you may want to keep to sign to extensions.

Barnett, Goedert, Sweat, Maddox, Fulgham, Mailata, Herbig, Edwards, Toth, Dillard, Sanders, plus the draft picks over that time and their escalating salaries.

You have a very narrow view of the salary cap.  You talked about the 70 + million we would have next year, now half of that is gone, and we still have not seen the restructures for Graham, Brooks, Elliott and McLeod.

Also in regards to next years cap, if the entire draft class sticks, their cap hits for 2022 are 16.5 million, deduct that from 34.4 million current cap space, you then have 17.9 million in cap space with 46 players under contract.  That is before you give any players who are FA's in 2022 a contract ( Barnett, Goedert, Singleton, Ward, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Edwards, Toth, Herbig )

Hurts is ours through 2023, so an extension kicks in 2024 (though some money can be rolled into 2023 if it's signed after his 3rd season).

The only guys who'll cost are Mailata, Sanders if they want him on a second deal, Sweat if his knee holds up and Goedert. Doubt the others will get a major second contract.

Reality is you might sign one major ($20M) and two second tier FAs ($10M) in 2023, there just aren't that many available quality starters age 25-27 available in any offseason - and you don't want to throw money at second rate guys like we've seen teams do every offseason.

It's a bigger problem in a rebuild to get up to the minimum salary levels, which is why some bad teams overpay for mediocre players - they have to spend the money somewhere.

I have little interest in criticizing Sirianni right now.  Yes, he sounds like a moron, but again, he's a football coach, not an engineer.  Yes, I think Lowie hired him because he was the most enthusiastic, wide-eyed, controllable option that had been somewhat vetted by the rigors of the NFL...and I think that is a recipe for disaster.

But that's all background and not intrinsic to whatever Sirianni is or is not as our new HC.  This isn't like a WR that we can bash based on their workouts or film from college.  

We know nothing about who he is or what he's capable of.  After kickoff in week 1 2021, we can start to nitpick.  Right now, I don't even know what to say about him.  Give him a chance.  

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

That's all well and fine, but who is the next Arcega-Whiteside?

I can answer that question better after we find out who Howie drafts in April.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

F those guys. There's nothing manly or tough about making fun of someone with a stutter. 

Guys with stutters are doomed to failure. Like our current POTUS.

Kyle Rudolph to the Giants on a 2 year deal per

@AthletesFirst

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Guys with stutters are doomed to failure. Like our current POTUS.

No, there's a difference.  He used to have a stutter, overcame it, and now has dementia, and is controlled by the people behind him. 

Hey...wait a minute...

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Let's just hope Nicky Two Times is propped up by some stud young coaches, like Doug was.  I do like some of the assistants under him.  Doug did coach High School before he came back to the NFL.  Wonder if that's where he learned the groundbreaking concept of coaching to fit the players on the team.  Crazy stuff there.  

I doubt public speaking is a major element of success as a HC. Makes the local media happy to pump up some slick sounding coach until he falls flat on his face.

I think anyone who's worked in a large corporation, consulting firm or law firm has had the experience of interacting with people who sound great, but are less filling.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

No, there's a difference.  He used to have a stutter, overcame it, and now has dementia, and is controlled by the people behind him. 

Hey...wait a minute...

Fox news is known to cause brain damage, or does it merely appeal to damaged brains. Take that crap elsewhere.