Next year they will blame it on the pandemic and how they were so used to the new normal that they had trouble adjusting to the normal normal 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

False on both counts.  Giving the facts to counter his opinion is not trolling.  I have posted 20 plus mock drafts, and tagged him in two after he complained about people posting mock drafts.

I'm highly offended!

Spoiler

 

 

 Not quite as cheap as expected. 

 

Hard to tell if The Jets are trying to build around Darnold or set the next guy up for success. 

24 minutes ago, austinfan said:

When you're tied for 7th with Balt and Pitt for the most playoff appearances since 2000, and have the ring, I don't think one bad year is going to throw you for a loop.

They expected to rebuild, they knew the cap was going to take off early this decade (just when they're ready to compete with a cheap young roster in 2023 with the cap overhang gone).

They gambled they could keep the window open and it almost worked. Howie just didn't count on a COVID 2021 Cap. Makes the transition a little more painful.

I will concede any of these points, except the bolded.  In what world did it 'almost work'?  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I will concede any of these points, except the bolded.  In what world did it 'almost work'?  

You know the drill. Dropped pass by Alshon in NO yada yada yada would have been in the Super Bowl 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hard to tell if The Jets are trying to build around Darnold or set the next guy up for success. 

Regardless, Douglas is having a nice off season. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

You know the drill. Dropped pass by Alshon in NO yada yada yada would have been in the Super Bowl 

Well... Alshon catches that pass... and they are still trailing in that game.  No guarantee of winning that game even with Alshon not dropping that.  The offense put up a big 13 spot against the Bears the week before... and they got through that game on account of 2 lucky bounces off the upright and then the cross bar.  Just a fraction of an inch different and it bounces over the cross bar, and they lose that first game.  

The offense was shut down completely in the Saints game after the INT Foles threw.  He went into a funk, along with the rest of the offense, and could only manage that last desperation drive... with zero margin for error... but they had the error.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I will concede any of these points, except the bolded.  In what world did it 'almost work'?  

They won a crap division because they played 4 teams picking in the top 5 of the draft and Dak with a bum shoulder. Or the old alshon dropped it otherwise they win like it was a given the eagles just score there even if he catches it or the Saints don’t March right back and kick a fg for the win. But almost. Losers talk about almost. Winners go home and F the prom queen 

4 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Regardless, Douglas is having a nice off season. 

Can't be. He was the issue not Howie. 

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hard to tell if The Jets are trying to build around Darnold or set the next guy up for success. 

Legitimately could be doing both and leads them to the same place. 

10 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Basically the same two stories repeated over and over surrounded by a lot of baseless speculation about maybe he  . . . without sources or even "unnamed sources."

If Lurie has been intervening on a consistent basis, stories with details would have come out long ago, a lot of personnel have left over the years, some with axes to grind. They'd have jumped all over it.

It's far from baseless speculation.  A lot of stories that have been reported are quite troubling, but firmly indicative of Lurie's close involvement and control of every aspect of personnel.  Frankly, in hindsight, it was the only thing that put all of the pieces together.  Including the retention of Roseman and his seemingly unimpeachable status, despite his total and complete failure at every aspect of the "GM" job.

If you don't want to believe it, that is up to you, but it's clear that is what is happening and what has been the case for a very long time.  I believe the sources and reporting because it fits and I have no counter reason not to believe it.  This is also why I'm not on here talking about Roseman anymore.  He is irrelevant in a sense.  Until the owner realizes the disaster he has caused with his team and steps back, my expectations for the team have been significantly re-aligned with the new reality.

I realize many (like yourself) will always look at the bright side.  That's awesome and this place needs that.  Believe it or not, I've always appreciated it on many levels.  That said, I'm always going to stick with the reality and state what is most likely true based on the information we collectively gather and share here.  Unfortunately, it's not a good picture right now, and the reason is the worst reason of all, because it is 100% not fixable.... ownership.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

There goes the Comcast bill 🤑

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They won a crap division because they played 4 teams picking in the top 5 of the draft and Dak with a bum shoulder. Or the old alshon dropped it otherwise they win like it was a given the eagles just score there even if he catches it or the Saints don’t March right back and kick a fg for the win. But almost. Losers talk about almost. Winners go home and F the prom queen 

The window being kept open wasn't about making the playoffs, it was about winning another Super Bowl.  Anything else was a failure.  They didn't get close.

3 hours ago, wtfcares said:

 

The good thing here is that he was in the PAC-12, so Howie and the Eagles' scouting department were probably the only ones who stayed up and watched him play at all.    

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The window being kept open wasn't about making the playoffs, it was about winning another Super Bowl.  Anything else was a failure.  They didn't get close.

Oh i don’t disagree. That’s what his argument is gonna be. 

Everyone with their different BS streaming services that you have to subscribe to.  Probably the only way to get 4k games.

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Do you remember Ray Rhodes by 1998? Then you'd know why Lurie would have stepped in. Rhodes spent that season looking like someone had stolen his children.

Johnson started 3 games, had 2 catches, was cut and no one picked him up that season, end of career. For a 3-13 team.

"I would not report the Eagles have internal unanimity on Hurts as QB1 but sources say the boss, Jeffrey Lurie, has instructed his group to prioritize making Hurts successful in 2021 as opposed to creating a true competition."

Gee, there's disagreement that's paralyzing the organization, so the owner/CEO comes in and provides clear direction. Shocker. Or is even playing a pre-draft game. Same way Howie keeps saying they want competition at QB while holding #6. So what are the Eagles doing to do in the draft?

Basically the same two stories repeated over and over surrounded by a lot of baseless speculation about maybe he  . . . without sources or even "unnamed sources."

If Lurie has been intervening on a consistent basis, stories with details would have come out long ago, a lot of personnel have left over the years, some with axes to grind. They'd have jumped all over it.

 

I'm reticent to do this, but I know Ray.  The way Lurie treated him was not exemplary nor professional.  I have defended Lurie overall as an owner, especially compared to Tose and Braman, but he has his faults as an owner and after hearing many examples from Ray about both interpersonal exchanges and "meddling" with the players and coaches, Lurie is not clean.

3 minutes ago, Grump99 said:

There goes the Comcast bill 🤑

It would be great if they could get NFL Sunday Ticket off Direct Tv. 

3 minutes ago, John_C said:

It's far from baseless speculation.  A lot of stories that have been reported are quite troubling, but firmly indicative of Lurie's close involvement and control of every aspect of personnel.  Frankly, in hindsight, it was the only thing that put all of the pieces together.  Including the retention of Roseman and his seemingly unimpeachable status, despite his total and complete failure at every aspect of the "GM" job.

If you don't want to believe it, that is up to you, but it's clear that is what is happening and what has been the case for a very long time.  I believe the sources and reporting because it fits and I have no counter reason not to believe it.  This is also why I'm not on here talking about Roseman anymore.  He is irrelevant in a sense.  Until the owner realizes the disaster he has caused with his team and steps back, my expectations for the team have been significantly re-aligned with the new reality.

I realize many (like yourself) will always look at the bright side.  That's awesome and this place needs that.  Believe it or not, I've always appreciated it on many levels.  That said, I'm always going to stick with the reality and state what is most likely true based on the information we collectively gather and share here.  Unfortunately, it's not a good picture right now, and the reason is the worst reason of all, because it is 100% not fixable.... ownership.

Read the stories carefully., Extract actual examples, ignore the speculation. Not much meat on that bone.

The Linc ain't the CIA HQ. Things leak out over time. But sports reporters aren't real "reporters," they follow none of the rules of real reporting (at least two sources, confirm the story, etc.). Much of what's in those articles is baseless speculation that is the reporter musing about what "might" be happening, not what he's heard from reliable sources.

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Can't be. He was the issue not Howie. 

Oh yeah. Darn it 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The window being kept open wasn't about making the playoffs, it was about winning another Super Bowl.  Anything else was a failure.  They didn't get close.

The window is always about the playoffs, first make the playoffs, then get a better seed, then win baby.

What killed 2018 and 2019 (and 2020) were an unusual rate of injury, if it happens one year, fluke, three years, something's wrong in the state of Denmark. And most of the injured players had histories of being durable, Jerrigan, Malik, Wallace, Darby, Brooks, etc. Only DeSean and later Jeffrey were injury prone. And age is not correlated to injury (probably b/c injury prone players get selected out of the population as they age).

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The window is always about the playoffs, first make the playoffs, then get a better seed, then win baby.

What killed 2018 and 2019 (and 2020) were an unusual rate of injury, if it happens one year, fluke, three years, something's wrong in the state of Denmark. And most of the injured players had histories of being durable, Jerrigan, Malik, Wallace, Darby, Brooks, etc. Only DeSean and later Jeffrey were injury prone. And age is not correlated to injury (probably b/c injury prone players get selected out of the population as they age).

the new norm....  making excuses! 

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I'm reticent to do this, but I know Ray.  The way Lurie treated him was not exemplary nor professional.  I have defended Lurie overall as an owner, especially compared to Tose and Braman, but he has his faults as an owner and after hearing many examples from Ray about both interpersonal exchanges and "meddling" with the players and coaches, Lurie is not clean.

Ray was Lurie's first hire, but he had his foibles, he was able to motivate a veteran squad for a couple years, but his shtick it wore thin, probably in the FO as well.

Like Doug, he was probably better suited to be a coordinator than a HC.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

the new norm....  making excuses! 

The SB was a fluke but the next three years the norm?