Under 1000 hours to go. At about 995 at the moment. We should be on the clock in about 996 hours. And I realized last week that my previous updates were actually off by an hour because I had not properly accounted for Daylight Saving Time.

Not that anyone really cares, but the reason I've been avoiding this place since December/January is that I'm simply disgusted by everything that has gone on with the team. I'm passionate about Eagles football, and stepping away for awhile has helped me keep my sanity. It's actually been refreshing to not pay attention to the goings-on. 

I anticipate getting back into it soon, so as to ready myself for the big event. 

Carry on.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

If Hurts is good, we're competitive immediately.
If Hurts is bad, we're drafting in the top 5 because the rest of the roster is neither deep, nor talented.

Partly, but 3rd down defense and red zone D both have to be much better.  If Hurts is good that helps, but having a competent 3rd down D and something better than an ole red zone D helps a lot as well

10 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Having similar measurements to Julio Jones, Gronk, Ty Hill, or Metcalf is noteworthy because it's rare and those exceptional traits made those guys great.

Having similar measurements to Trey Burton, Boldin, Michael Thomas, Wes Welker, Deandre Hopkins, JJAW, Travis Fulgham, et al doesn't make you any one of those players.  It just means you are in the average pool of measurables for all NFL talent.

Burton was recruited as a QB and played WR, TE, FB in college.

6'2 224  4.62   1.62  22   4.32   7.14   30   9'4

JJAW

6'2 225  4.50   1.58   --   4.41   7.23   34   9'11

Similar athletes, Burton a little more fluid, JJAW more explosive and faster straight line speed. These are not average measurements for WRs.

JJAW has struggled at WR because he isn't a sudden player, at H-back that would be less of an issue. He'd be a tough matchup for a LB or SS.

He's a willing blocker, question is whether he can add enough strength to be effective blocking LBs in space, no one asks a smallish H-back to block in-line.

Since Sirianni has worked with Burton, he knows how to utilize that style of H-back.

32 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Under 1000 hours to go. At about 995 at the moment. We should be on the clock in about 996 hours. And I realized last week that my previous updates were actually off by an hour because I had not properly accounted for Daylight Saving Time.

Not that anyone really cares, but the reason I've been avoiding this place since December/January is that I'm simply disgusted by everything that has gone on with the team. I'm passionate about Eagles football, and stepping away for awhile has helped me keep my sanity. It's actually been refreshing to not pay attention to the goings-on. 

I anticipate getting back into it soon, so as to ready myself for the big event. 

Carry on.

Can’t say I blame you. I love the Birds, but this current state of the team has left me very apathetic in many regards. 

40 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

If we can sign someone like Fuller and stay healthy are we incredibly far away from being competitive ?

O-Line - If healthy top 10

LT - Mailata - Potential Stud
LG - Seumalo - Average/maybe slightly above
C - Kelce - Above average
RG - Brooks - Above average
RT - Johnson - Above average

QB - Hurts - 2 early to tell but obviously below average right now
RB - Sanders could have huge season and the rest are ho hum and should be addressed in draft - top 15 unit

WR - Say we get Chase to add to Fulgham, Reagor, and Ward.  That i think would put us in the middle of the pack

TE - Assuming Ertz stays and Goedert -  top 10

Defense

DE - Barnett, Sweat, Graham, draft pick = top 15

DT - Cox, Hargrave, Ridgeway, draft pick - top 5

LB -  Not even going to speculate and just say bottom 10

CB - Fuller, Slay, Maddox, and 2-3 draft picks - top 15

S - McLeod, Wallace, Adams, Epps, draft pick - bottom 10

 

Guess I am being optimistic here and will get slaughtered but thoughts?
 

"Competitive" is a relative term.  In the optimistic outlook you have suggested, absolutely they could be "competitive."  With the super competitive, durable, try-hard college option QB they have, I fully believe if the rest of the team is relatively healthy they will win more than 4 games, especially with the division remaining down.

Something like a 7-10 season, depending on how everything shakes out, would not be surprising.

Competitive for a playoff spot?  Yes again, in this crappy division.  Much like last year.  Highly unlikely to end up on top, but in the race into December?  Sure.

Competitive as in being an actually good team that could make some noise?  No chance.

39 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Not that anyone really cares, but the reason I've been avoiding this place since December/January is that I'm simply disgusted by everything that has gone on with the team. I'm passionate about Eagles football, and stepping away for awhile has helped me keep my sanity. It's actually been refreshing to not pay attention to the goings-on. 

Feel the same, have been here much less but still around and lurking.  I should take your approach, as I don't have anything positive to add right now.

 

 

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Burton was recruited as a QB and played WR, TE, FB in college.

6'2 224  4.62   1.62  22   4.32   7.14   30   9'4

JJAW

6'2 225  4.50   1.58   --   4.41   7.23   34   9'11

Similar athletes, Burton a little more fluid, JJAW more explosive and faster straight line speed. These are not average measurements for WRs.

JJAW has struggled at WR because he isn't a sudden player, at H-back that would be less of an issue. He'd be a tough matchup for a LB or SS.

He's a willing blocker, question is whether he can add enough strength to be effective blocking LBs in space, no one asks a smallish H-back to block in-line.

Since Sirianni has worked with Burton, he knows how to utilize that style of H-back.

Agreed.  Well below average, especially considering they are pro day numbers.  
 

I’m fine with giving JJAW an Hback trial, btw.  The key to being an H back is blocking well enough to actually get matched up against that LB or SS.  If he can, by all means, go for it.  If we had better, faster, smaller outside WRs who consistently separated deep, JJAW would interest me as a big, physical, slot option.  But we don’t have that and never will, so it’s irrelevant.

Kind of a shame that we had to blow a 2nd round pick on someone who MIGHT be able to transition to H back when we knew he couldn’t move well enough to be an NFL wr, but crap happens when your owner makes the picks.  
 

 

19 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 When did I force you to reply to my opinion that you vehemently disagree with?  Did I tell you I wanted a discussion? Don't want to get a laughing emoji?  Don't reply.  Or better yet.  Put me on ignore.  I didn't even engage you.  Get over yourself.  

Wow! somebody needs to switch to decaf, this is a discussion board, I didn't force you to respond to my post no?

I found your rant to be misguided I brought up a point that a few others also did, not sure vehemently is the correct adjective to describe my matter of factly reply to yours but you seem to be easily triggered so...

 

50 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

If we can sign someone like Fuller and stay healthy are we incredibly far away from being competitive ?

O-Line - If healthy top 10

LT - Mailata - Potential Stud
LG - Seumalo - Average/maybe slightly above
C - Kelce - Above average
RG - Brooks - Above average
RT - Johnson - Above average

QB - Hurts - 2 early to tell but obviously below average right now
RB - Sanders could have huge season and the rest are ho hum and should be addressed in draft - top 15 unit

WR - Say we get Chase to add to Fulgham, Reagor, and Ward.  That i think would put us in the middle of the pack

TE - Assuming Ertz stays and Goedert -  top 10

Defense

DE - Barnett, Sweat, Graham, draft pick = top 15

DT - Cox, Hargrave, Ridgeway, draft pick - top 5

LB -  Not even going to speculate and just say bottom 10

CB - Fuller, Slay, Maddox, and 2-3 draft picks - top 15

S - McLeod, Wallace, Adams, Epps, draft pick - bottom 10

 

Guess I am being optimistic here and will get slaughtered but thoughts?
 

You’re being very kind at 3 of the "skill positions” — WR, RB, CB

WR is a bottom 5 unit.  Reagor would need to make a big leap, and a draft pick WR1 would need to have a 1,000-yard season to make this a competitive group

RB doesn’t have a #2 — Scott is a #3 RB on most teams.  Need a pile-mover who can get tough yardage and capable of 20+ carries when Sanders inevitably taps out for games

CB — Slay is the only reason this isn’t the worst group in the NFL.  A complete overhaul is required.

10 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I have no idea if ATL wants him or not, but it wouldn't make sense to me if I were them.  

They need a QB.  It's one thing to invest in a receiver/whatever Pitts is when you are starting from scratch and have no weapons.  Start somewhere.  But you don't need to completely round out your stable 1 thru 3 with first round picks when you are turning over your QB in the next 2 years (and when you SHOULD turn him over now).

I guess I meant more from an offensive weapon perspective.  Just comparing it to the Eagles who have almost nothing but a TE...

9 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

How does one lawyer find 9 separate women alleging sexual assault by Deshaun Watson?  Why would they all be coming forward at the same time?

I was asking myself the same question earlier today when the reports were 3 women.  In the one report it said the one woman, who was allegedly coerced to perform oral, "blacked out from fear” ..... hmmm.   I know we’re in the age of ..... whatever, but would someone actually black out from fear under those circumstances?  I don’t even think any of Ted Bundy’s victims blacked out from fear.  
 

Seems awfully dubious to me 

The women may know each other or it may be easy to trace women he's been in contact with and possibly assaulted. It's also possible that more women contacted the attorney after they became aware of the initial complaint.  I don't know how dubious the claims are I think the more allegations the more likely there is some substance to the claims.  It's impossible to judge the credibility of the claims based on the news or the complaint or some interview on TV.  I don't know what scrutiny the plaintiff's attorney put the women under prior to filing the complaint but he has an obligation to at least file the complaint in good faith.  Regardless of what you might think of him, he runs a business which doesn't make money and faces significant financial risk if they file complaints with no recovery.  I mean it's not cheap to litigate any case.  He is absorbing that cost in terms of time, expenses and staff.  I don't know whether courts are open in Texas for jury trials but I know most jury trials in states have been pushed back about a year.  There is a backlog and the horizon for litigating these claims is long.  That doesn't mean the women that are making the complaints are being truthful.  It doesn't mean that the attorney has been operating in good faith.  Even if the allegations are true, the women may not prevail because I would imagine a fair few jurors would come to the table with the same prejudices you have.  Imagine if the Blog was the jury what do you think, if anything, the women would get. Now think about a jury in Houston Texas with the a QB as the defendant. Probably the best thing they have is that Watson is African American.  Frankly, I don't know the race of the women but I would imagine that plays a role in the calculus of what a jury might do. 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re being very kind at 3 of the "skill positions” — WR, RB, CB

WR is a bottom 5 unit.  Reagor would need to make a big leap, and a draft pick WR1 would need to have a 1,000-yard season to make this a competitive group

RB doesn’t have a #2 — Scott is a #3 RB on most teams.  Need a pile-mover who can get tough yardage and capable of 20+ carries when Sanders inevitably taps out for games

CB — Slay is the only reason this isn’t the worst group in the NFL.  A complete overhaul is required.

WR is the worst group in the nfl right now, not bottom 5.

Even though I think Eagles fans overrate Sanders, I am less concerned about the depth.  If you go into your backyard and shake a tree hard enough, a serviceable backup RB will fall out.  
 

The other major issue is OL.  Mailata may be potential stud, but he’s also potential backup swing tackle.  He has NOT arrived yet.  I would bet that the right side of our OL starts 5 different combinations of players by week 12.  

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

 

What are the Texans even doing? 

21 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

When he played terribly and was benched? I don’t get it. Good QBs get benched from time to time. 

I was very much a Wentz guy and was even willing to rationalize some of the other stuff we were hearing about him...but man, if you are that fragile where after deservedly getting benched the first thing you start thinking about is getting out vs fighting to get yourself right and win back your job, that’s like a little kid taking his ball and going home because he was out at 1st base. 
 

#respectlost

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The women may know each other or it may be easy to trace women he's been in contact with and possibly assaulted. It's also possible that more women contacted the attorney after they became aware of the initial complaint.  I don't know how dubious the claims are I think the more allegations the more likely there is some substance to the claims.  It's impossible to judge the credibility of the claims based on the news or the complaint or some interview on TV.  I don't know what scrutiny the plaintiff's attorney put the women under prior to filing the complaint but he has an obligation to at least file the complaint in good faith.  Regardless of what you might think of him, he runs a business which doesn't make money and faces significant financial risk if they file complaints with no recovery.  I mean it's not cheap to litigate any case.  He is absorbing that cost in terms of time, expenses and staff.  I don't know whether courts are open in Texas for jury trials but I know most jury trials in states have been pushed back about a year.  There is a backlog and the horizon for litigating these claims is long.  That doesn't mean the women that are making the complaints are being truthful.  It doesn't mean that the attorney has been operating in good faith.  Even if the allegations are true, the women may not prevail because I would imagine a fair few jurors would come to the table with the same prejudices you have.  Imagine if the Blog was the jury what do you think, if anything, the women would get. Now think about a jury in Houston Texas with the a QB as the defendant. Probably the best thing they have is that Watson is African American.  Frankly, I don't know the race of the women but I would imagine that plays a role in the calculus of what a jury might do. 

I don’t look at it as "having prejudices”; I’m following the innocent until proven guilty model, and feel like 9 women filing a lawsuit simultaneously doesn’t seem logical.  I also have doubts when a lawyer chooses to launch his case publicly in conjunction or ahead of a court date.

This has financial motivation in all appearances 

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Under 1000 hours to go. At about 995 at the moment. We should be on the clock in about 996 hours. And I realized last week that my previous updates were actually off by an hour because I had not properly accounted for Daylight Saving Time.

Not that anyone really cares, but the reason I've been avoiding this place since December/January is that I'm simply disgusted by everything that has gone on with the team. I'm passionate about Eagles football, and stepping away for awhile has helped me keep my sanity. It's actually been refreshing to not pay attention to the goings-on. 

I anticipate getting back into it soon, so as to ready myself for the big event. 

Carry on.

Welcome Back.

I hate daylight savings, the whole country needs to vote it out like Arizona did.😡

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

WR is the worst group in the nfl right now, not bottom 5.

Even though I think Eagles fans overrate Sanders, I am less concerned about the depth.  If you go into your backyard and shake a tree hard enough, a serviceable backup RB will fall out.  
 

The other major issue is OL.  Mailata may be potential stud, but he’s also potential backup swing tackle.  He has NOT arrived yet.  I would bet that the right side of our OL starts 5 different combinations of players by week 12.  

The reality with WR is that if you look at the teams that just won the SB, both teams had an elite WR.  Regardless of what we may think of the depth or talent at the position, there is no elite receiver on the team.  The injuries on the o-line showed they had exactly one player on the roster that looked like a starter in Mailata.  The rest of the roster did not play well.  There is no one besides the top 5 on the roster right now that couldn't be upgraded in the draft. I think there's a big question about whether Dillard shouldn't be traded.  

Dillard is a Stoutland call, he's had him for over a year, he probably has a pretty good idea of his upside and his probability of reaching it.

The draft pick is a sunk cost, but the player is still an asset, what's unknown is how valuable of an asset.

39 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

 

Does he go towards the comp pick champions formula?

1 hour ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Under 1000 hours to go. At about 995 at the moment. We should be on the clock in about 996 hours. And I realized last week that my previous updates were actually off by an hour because I had not properly accounted for Daylight Saving Time.

Not that anyone really cares, but the reason I've been avoiding this place since December/January is that I'm simply disgusted by everything that has gone on with the team. I'm passionate about Eagles football, and stepping away for awhile has helped me keep my sanity. It's actually been refreshing to not pay attention to the goings-on. 

I anticipate getting back into it soon, so as to ready myself for the big event. 

Carry on.

All good bro

42 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

 

Great leg, but I never had confidence he would pin a team inside the 10. Easily replaceable.

How many players on the entire roster have a trade value that is greater than their original draft pick...or more than the Eagles paid via trade...or more than the Eagles paid via most recent contract/extension?

I've got 1, Mailata.  Sweat comes close, but I don't think he'd fetch more than a 4.  Sanders is definitely not getting more than a 2.  Hargrave doesn't get that much money if he's on the market right now.  Seumalo isn't getting traded for a 3, although I bet a team would take on his contract.

It's remarkable that every player added to this roster in the last several years (sans Mailata) has seen their value deteriorate.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t look at it as "having prejudices”; I’m following the innocent until proven guilty model, and feel like 9 women filing a lawsuit simultaneously doesn’t seem logical.  I also have doubts when a lawyer chooses to launch his case publicly in conjunction or ahead of a court date.

This has financial motivation in all appearances 

In civil court the burden of proof is a more likely than not model or you can think of it as 51 to 49.  It looks like only 3 suits have been filed but there are 9 women that have been retained and that may file complaints. These claims are time sensitive and likely face a fairly short statute of limitations.  There's also no real advantage to holding off on filing because Watson isn't likely to offer money to avoid a suit.  

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Does he go towards the comp pick champions formula?

No

36 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Kind of a shame that we had to blow a 2nd round pick on someone who MIGHT be able to transition to H back when we knew he couldn’t move well enough to be an NFL wr, but crap happens when your owner makes the picks. 

Except he was pretty much a consensus 2nd round pick. He certainly wasn't a "reach."

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-stanfords-jj-arcega-whiteside-is-a-top-three-wideout-in-the-2019-nfl-draft

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/j.j.-arcega-whiteside/32004152-4333-6505-70a1-e94c6ecf2bd3

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2019-nfl-draft-eagles-land-j-j-arcega-whiteside-as-a-big-bodied-target-for-carson-wentz/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/04/29/nfl-draft-five-high-risk-picks-plus-five-steals/

Doug went to 4 verticals as a big part of his offense last year, a role JJAW is totally unsuited for, Sirianni has worked with big physical WRs in SD and Indy, Pascal for example profiles a lot like JJAW.

https://www.ganggreennation.com/2017/3/18/14963976/scouting-the-2017-nfl-draft-zachary-pascal-scouting-report-wr-old-dominion

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2017/03/18/dallas-cowboys-old-dominion-university-pro-day-2017-david-washington-zach-pascal-rashaad-coward-nfl-draft/

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2019/11/01/rise-zach-pascal-8th-round-pick-critical-cog-colts-offense/4087837002/