Shocker.

 

 

I have nothing nice to say about Wentz the qb.  Glad we moved on.

Mentally weak?  Meh.  Maybe.  I’m not going to die on a hill saying he isn’t.  I’m not going to say that he is either.  
 

He’s been nothing but cool and professional behind a mic and on the sidelines.  He never bashed the Eagles or coaches, just said that he gave it everything he had when he was here.  The comments about thinking about other teams and thinking it may not work out came from a very specific line of questioning that led him to that quote.

If you got demoted at work, you’d *think* things may not be working out too.

Of all the things we have to be outraged about, these media extracted Wentz quotes shouldn’t be one of them.  

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Shocker.

 

 

Man we really dodged a bullet. JuJu is a volume slot WR only. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Shocker.

 

 

Yep. Made total sense since he's still only 24. Kinda glad they were unsuccessful.

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That’s pretty soft on Wentz’s part. Gets benched once and "whoa is me!”

Talk about entitled.

Does it say that? Jeepers you haters are ridiculous.

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

It's interesting.  Tommy Lawlor wrote about this today and I've never seen him write something to this effect.

 

Really weak stuff. Wentz got benched and started to think that might be the end of his time in Philly? Randall Cunningham was benched in 1992 and was the starting QB for the next three years.

In the other video, Wentz says "I’ve never once questioned my competitiveness.” What the hell does that mean? No one is asking whether you think you are competitive. Your actions told the world you didn’t want to compete.

Weak.

Part of me wants to wish him well. I like Frank Reich and plenty of Colts players. It is easy to pull for them.

Another part of me wants Indy to turn into a disaster. This is petty me, the scorned fan who wants Wentz to rue the day he ever turned his back on the City of Brotherly Love. Wear that stupid cammo sleeve, go 0-16 and lead the league in picks. Then demand a trade to wherever Doug Pederson is a year from now and explain that he was your favorite coach all along and you just didn’t know it.

We’ll see what happens. It would be a lot easier to forgive and forget if the Eagles didn’t look so bad on paper.

Tommy's site has suffered as of late. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Man we really dodged a bullet. JuJu is a volume slot WR only. 

I'll say, who would want that? 

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

McNabb's best seasons were 2003-2004, 2003 season numbers are distorted b/c he played the first couple games with a bad thumb, after the break he was red hot, and put up similar numbers to 2004. While he was decent from 2006-2009, he wasn't among the top QBs.

McNabb used to chase dog toys and other agility drills in the offseason, but never fixed his mechanics (famous for worm burners) and never learned to read a defense at a high level and anticipate his receivers coming open - like Vick, he depended on a strong arm to throw receivers open (fit it through a tight window). Great arm strength, but average touch and below average accuracy. Never was the same after he was injured in 2005.

Right. Forgot who I was talking to. Reality isn't relevant to you. 

But, just for the record, our bye was after week 2 in 2003. McNabb's rating after the bye...average 85.9. McNabb in 2004? 104.7. McNabb in 2009? 92.9.

Any other stats you want to make up to fit your narrative?

Kind of interesting to think about best qbs in franchise history now.  In 2017, people had already listed Wentz at the top.  
 

Id say he’s firmly behind McNabb, Foles, and Randal....probably right around Jaws when you account for differences in passing over the years, maybe just ahead of Vick.

Eagles making an offer to JuJu to be a high volume slot has Greg Wardians on edge.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Kind of interesting to think about best qbs in franchise history now.  In 2017, people had already listed Wentz at the top.  
 

Id say he’s firmly behind McNabb, Foles, and Randal....probably right around Jaws when you account for differences in passing over the years, maybe just ahead of Vick.

Honestly at this point he's not really ahead of anyone. 

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Man we really dodged a bullet. JuJu is a volume slot WR only. 

Juju is Jamar Chase lite.  And our offense has been built around volume slots for years.  
 

In case there is any confusion, I too am glad he’s off the market.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Kind of interesting to think about best qbs in franchise history now.  In 2017, people had already listed Wentz at the top.  
 

Id say he’s firmly behind McNabb, Foles, and Randal....probably right around Jaws when you account for differences in passing over the years, maybe just ahead of Vick.

I can't speak to the whole team history, but I started watching religiously in 1988 when I was 9. I think this is my ranking of guys who were week 1 starters:

McNabb, Randall, Foles, Vick, Wentz....the others (Detmer, Peete, Kolb, etc.)....Hoying/Pederson

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Kind of interesting to think about best qbs in franchise history now.  In 2017, people had already listed Wentz at the top.  
 

Id say he’s firmly behind McNabb, Foles, and Randal....probably right around Jaws when you account for differences in passing over the years, maybe just ahead of Vick.

I think it's especially interesting to compare Wentz and Vick. One MVP caliber season, frustrating lack of development following that season, and 0 playoff wins.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Honestly at this point he's not really ahead of anyone. 

Sure he is.  2017 counts for something, his solid 2018 season and 2019 backyard hero ball count for something too.  
 

Going back to the 90’s, that puts him ahead of the Detmers, Peete, Hoying, Feeley, Kolb.  

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Eagles making an offer to JuJu to be a high volume slot has Greg Wardians on edge.

Ward Wankers

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Sure he is.  2017 counts for something, his solid 2018 season and 2019 backyard hero ball count for something too.  
 

Going back to the 90’s, that puts him ahead of the Detmers, Peete, Hoying, Feeley, Kolb.  

So like I said nobody

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

I think it's especially interesting to compare Wentz and Vick. One MVP caliber season, frustrating lack of development following that season, and 0 playoff wins.

Very similar trajectory. 

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That’s pretty soft on Wentz’s part. Gets benched once and "whoa is me!”

Talk about entitled.

I don't know - if you are on the Titanic, then it is perfectly reasonable to start thinking about your next ship.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That’s pretty soft on Wentz’s part. Gets benched once and "whoa is me!”

Talk about entitled.

Diagree.  The first reaction is truly human.   Not entitled at all.   Not acknowledging his flaws, how poorly he played, and saying the entire off season is dedicated to working on mechanics, getting rid of the ball sooner, taking fewer sacks is the soft part.

3 hours ago, RLC said:

 

 

He is good and will be missed but that is comp pick level money potentially.  Our future contract P has potential which gives us a little comfort level.  I have been checking out Ps and there are some decent prospects this year. Clear favorite is Max Duffy out of KY.  He is DB sized.  A punter I really like is James Smith out of Cincinnati. (Both of these kids were at the Senior Bowl).  My Coogs had Marquez Stevenson returning punts and even with him this kid only kicked on for a touchback.  I think that was his only touchback all year..His rate of touchbacks is phenomenal. But he has this amazing  ability to down kicks inside the 20.  Australian kicker and when he first arrived at Cincinnati you could see it as he occasionally took steps like an Australian Football kick.  Both may take a late round pick but Howie has plenty of those this year.  Check out Smith.
 

And he is built like a football player, not a kicker.

Actually looks like a decent year for punters. Now, I am not going to argue I have any idea how to scout punters.  So many in college do slant Australian step approach that won’t work in the pros.  

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

I think it's especially interesting to compare Wentz and Vick. One MVP caliber season, frustrating lack of development following that season, and 0 playoff wins.

And injuries. 

Injuries derail a lot of young talented players careers but I think this pretty much bombed Wentz career. After that ACL he was never the same, whether it being him between the ears or when Reich left. 

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I can't speak to the whole team history, but I started watching religiously in 1988 when I was 9. I think this is my ranking of guys who were week 1 starters:

McNabb, Randall, Foles, Vick, Wentz....the others (Detmer, Peete, Kolb, etc.)....Hoying/Pederson

Rankings obviously depends on how you want to weight longevity against peak performance and how heavily you want to value a title and playoff wins.  But that’s more or less the only way they can be grouped.  
 

I do think Foles, Vick, Randall, and Wentz were all more dominant at their best than Mcnabb, even 2004 Mcnabb.  But Mcnabb has an overall resume that blows the rest of them out of the water.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

He is good and will be missed but that is comp pick level money potentially.  Our future contract P has potential which gives us a little comfort level.  I have been checking out Ps and there are some decent prospects this year. Clear favorite is Max Duffy out of KY.  He is DB sized.  A punter I really like is James Smith out of Cincinnati. (Both of these kids were at the Senior Bowl).  My Coogs had Marquez Stevenson returning punts and even with him this kid only kicked on for a touchback.  I think that was his only touchback all year..His rate of touchbacks is phenomenal. But he has this amazing  ability to down kicks inside the 20.  Australian kicker and when he first arrived at Cincinnati you could see it as he occasionally took steps like an Australian Football kick.  Both may take a late round pick but Howie has plenty of those this year.  Check out Smith.
 

And he is built like a football player, not a kicker.

Actually looks like a decent year for punters. Now, I am not going to argue I have any idea how to scout punters.  So many in college do slant Australian step approach that won’t work in the pros.  

Next draft I do I'm trading down until I hit punters

36 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

at least for me, I still put plenty of blame on the FO.  But at some point, doesn't Wentz have to recognize the benching for what it actually was - he was playing so poorly and just wasn't looking like a guy who was going to turn it around on the next throw, he HAD to sit?

I honestly don't think the benching was anything more than that.  I still believe, though miscalculated and a dumb allocation of resources, Hurts pick was just an injury insurance, a cheap way of filling the backup QB position, and then a future flip for a higher draft position.  I don't think they really had any intention of using him last season in any role other than possibly gadget guy to catch defenses here and there.

Given all of that, I think it's pretty weak for a QB to start wondering if your time is up here when the FO just gave you the biggest assurance you are the future - a fat extension.  

And even after the season, you could see the Eagles wanted to keep Wentz.  They didn't want to trade him at all.  Shouldn't THAT have made Wentz feel better?

All of this is coming from a big Wentz guy, but he's clearly not the guy I thought he was - nothing to do with skill set...purely about his mental makeup.

We don't really know what he perceived or didn't or what he is willing to own up to publicly or behind closed doors, but his play was certainly an issue.  He's a smart guy.  I am sure he knows that, but I am also sure that he looked at the whole case and realized that he was not the sole reason for failure. 

I'd say the benching was a final straw in the totality of his tenure that included 2 season ending injuries, a phony controversy with Foles,  the lack of talent around him, the FO continuously not doing the right things to improve, a coaching staff that constantly changed, the hack Philly media,, a plodding offense, anonymous player sources, our weak ass fans, and on and on....and an upcoming controversy with a lesser QB.  No matter how much money you make, at some point, that stuff would wear anyone out.  No matter how much money you make, being under attack for so many things (including his faith) is just too much  The benching was just the tipping point, but everyone want to just point to that event and then his silence.  It's time to open our eyes to the mass of chaos that he was in the middle of and how tiring it must have been.

Now, he's gone.  Good luck to him and the Eagles.   Hopefully, it works out for both entities.