Super Bowl MVP returns and people are upset. He should have never left. 

2 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

 What could go wrong?

This franchise is a joke.

This is a tweet from BLG, quoting an "NFL insider.."  That is the joke.

 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Super Bowl MVP returns and people are upset. He should have never left. 

Will he have success if he plays with a different offensive scheme in place ??  He has failed in every scheme outside of Philly, and this offense will not be one he has played in.

Giving up seventh round picks for players isn’t a big deal. The hit rate is incredibly low (I’m prepared for the Mailata and Mills posts). 

That said, I have no interest in wasting $4M on a backup QB. Put that money toward a player with a future or a prospective starter elsewhere. For example, if Foles’ money costs us the ability to sign Adoree Jackson or Eric Wilson that would be annoying. 

4 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

This is a tweet from BLG, quoting an "NFL insider.."  That is the joke.

Did you actually read it?

Foles has cap numbers of 4 million this year and 8 million next year.  Not a good investment IMO.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

We do.  End of story.

Am I opposed to giving them all a shot in 2021?  Absolutely not, especially Reagor.  But to call people hell bent on upgrading the position obsessed is just ignorant.  This group sucks.

While I am very disappointed in Reagor’s rookie year, I want him to start and have every opportunity to succeed in 2021.

Hightower is terrible.  He can’t run routes, has no agility, and looks like a deer in headlights.  Give him a chance to compete?  Sure.  Use him as evidence that we need to wait and see with what we have?  Ridiculous.

Watkins?  His skill set is interesting, but the fact that he couldn’t get on the field over a total unprepared mess in Hightower speaks volumes. 
 

They are late round lottery tickets.  I’m happy to give them a shot, but they don’t even belong in the discussion.  
 

Reagor is the only player on the team whose name is even worth mentioning.

Can say the same thing about CBs on this team.  In fact, I think the secondary is more bare than the WR room.  

Slay and Maddox.  Slay is an over 30 CB with great speed but probably not what he was.  Maddox is a mediocre nickel back who is too small. We picked up two rental Ss to replace two rental Ss.   We have Wallace, who is as unproven as the sophomore WRs. Epps was a waiver wire pick up.  

I have no issue with upgrading any position.  This is too good of a CB draft not to grab a couple.  Best FS draft in a long time. Grab one of those too.  Good IOL draft and somewhat deep at C. Grab two IOL if the board falls right. If the BPA when the Eagles pick in the first is an OT, WR or CB, grab him.  But hit on those picks.  Farley is a big CB with fluid hips that can mirror WRs and runs in the 4.3s. If you get a chance to grab a Farley, you do, IMHO.  I like Surtain because he is technically sound but I don’t look at him as a shut down corner.

There are flaws in the top WRs. Chase is big but not tall.  He doesn’t have a lot of experience.  Smith came from the most well rounded team in CFB. He is a little small for a WR that doesn’t have blazing speed.  Waddle is a bit of a munchkin with great speed but injury history.  Pitts is a TE playing WR.  Nice season.  There is a lot to like with the depth of the slot class at WR.  

Hell, stat wise the most success in the first round is LB.  Maybe consider Parsons.   Just joking.  I would rather wait and try to grab Dylan Moses later.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Will he have success if he plays with a different offensive scheme in place ??  He has failed in every scheme outside of Philly, and this offense will not be one he has played in.

How similar were the Chip and Doug offenses?  

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I think the concept of building around a CB is about as up to date as building around a bruising RB.

Two parts of a defense, front seven and secondary.  What do you build a secondary around.  What position in the secondary does the Passing Game Coordinator scheme against?

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Foles has cap numbers of 4 million this year and 8 million next year.  Not a good investment IMO.

I’m not worried about the $8M in 2022 because it can be lowered. It’s the $4M (a fair price) that I have no interest in paying since we’re in cap hell. 

That is funny

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Eagles need to draft capable corners, early and often.  There is no "great” corner in this draft.  So we should relax.  But we need good ones and we need multiple good ones.   Trade down and build the secondary.  

Need to come out of this draft with two corners and two safeties

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

We do.  End of story.

Am I opposed to giving them all a shot in 2021?  Absolutely not, especially Reagor.  But to call people hell bent on upgrading the position obsessed is just ignorant.  This group sucks.

While I am very disappointed in Reagor’s rookie year, I want him to start and have every opportunity to succeed in 2021.

Hightower is terrible.  He can’t run routes, has no agility, and looks like a deer in headlights.  Give him a chance to compete?  Sure.  Use him as evidence that we need to wait and see with what we have?  Ridiculous.

Watkins?  His skill set is interesting, but the fact that he couldn’t get on the field over a total unprepared mess in Hightower speaks volumes. 
 

They are late round lottery tickets.  I’m happy to give them a shot, but they don’t even belong in the discussion.  
 

Reagor is the only player on the team whose name is even worth mentioning.

Jason Avant on the Q and A podcast said he watched a lot of film on the three rookie receivers. He said Hightower shows promise and is the best route runner of the Eagles wide receivers.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Need to come out of this draft with two corners and two safeties

I think we need two defensive linemen too, preferably a DT and LDE to take over for Graham after next season. 2022 will probably be his last year as an Eagle.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

They spent a high 2 on Pittman, a low 2 on Campbell and inherited a pro bowler in Hilton. 

But to follow your logic, I can say the Colts didn’t heavily invest in corner either. 

Which is why they were zone heavy.  You build you scheme to fit the players you have.  In an ideal world, you have CBs and. FS that are good enough to play Cover 1. If you have that as a defensive secondary, you can really play chess with you disguising coverages because you can literally play anything. From man, Cover 0 to Cover 5.  (Even sticks, whatever off coverage zone that is.  Sort of a modified Cover 4 that morphs to a kind of Cover 1 with 6 DBs.  I will give Schwartz credit for that because it is clever but it needs a good pass rush.)  I love the Pats Cover 1.  It is what makes that defense so good.  Nick Saban calls Cover 1 the best defense in football.  I agree. If your CBs and FS are good enough to play Cover 1 then the secondary can shut down the offense long enough for the DL to pressure the QB.  And like Beast hints at, collapsing the pocket from the interior is key.  Now QBs that can move out of the pocket and still throw (Mahommes, Rodgers) can offset that some which is why contain is so important from the DEs.  

To counter Ute’s comment about the rules being skewed against DBs, that’s right.  That’s why you need CBs that can mirror and close without being grab happy.  But the CB also needs to be big enough to contest the catch and to tackle RBs and TEs. That also explains why I like Farley and Surtain. 

1 hour ago, Utebird said:

Yup.

And davis and bunting were drafted in the 2nd round and Dean in the 3rd.

I think quality corners are available outside the first round.

Challenge is identifying them to fit ones system.

Whoever drafted rasul and Sydney jones failed.

Rasul was never fit, right draft spot good value bad scheme fit, sydney was a risk because if the injury and he never really fit either as Schwartz kept trying to make him a nickel where he really struggled.

If howie and Co can identify a couple of corners that fit their scheme outside of the first round I think their are some to be had, I'm not confident howie can do that but I'm confident there are  quality corners outside the first round and think they provide more value than a first round corner.

I wonder if that mismatch of skill and scheme was more on Jim or Howie?

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Need to come out of this draft with two corners and two safeties

I don’t think we have room for two rookie safeties. 

McLeod, Harris, Wallace and Adams are pretty much locks IMO. 

9 minutes ago, pangbun said:

Jason Avant on the Q and A podcast said he watched a lot of film on the three rookie receivers. He said Hightower shows promise and is the best route runner of the Eagles wide receivers.

He also went on about how important Ward is.  I’m going to go ahead and disregard everything he says, given that he would probably like a job or insider status with the Eagles.  He’s part of the fluff machine.

 

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Which is why they were zone heavy.  You build you scheme to fit the players you have.  In an ideal world, you have CBs and. FS that are good enough to play Cover 1. If you have that as a defensive secondary, you can really play chess with you disguising coverages because you can literally play anything. From man, Cover 0 to Cover 5.  (Even sticks, whatever off coverage zone that is.  Sort of a modified Cover 4 that morphs to a kind of Cover 1 with 6 DBs.  I will give Schwartz credit for that because it is clever but it needs a good pass rush.)  I love the Pats Cover 1.  It is what makes that defense so good.  Nick Saban calls Cover 1 the best defense in football.  I agree. If your CBs and FS are good enough to play Cover 1 then the secondary can shut down the offense long enough for the DL to pressure the QB.  And like Beast hints at, collapsing the pocket from the interior is key.  Now QBs that can move out of the pocket and still throw (Mahommes, Rodgers) can offset that some which is why contain is so important from the DEs.  

To counter Ute’s comment about the rules being skewed against DBs, that’s right.  That’s why you need CBs that can mirror and close without being grab happy.  But the CB also needs to be big enough to contest the catch and to tackle RBs and TEs. That also explains why I like Farley and Surtain. 

No. They were zone heavy because that was there philosophy and got players around that scheme. 

56 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We don’t need to bother talking about Wentz’s accuracy. I was harping on it way before it was cool.

We can see that Hightower is straight line and finesse. We’ve seen Ward on punt returns. He rarely makes anyone miss there, let alone as a receiver. Reagor is straight line, but can beat angles with speed and can be physical. Watkins might have some YAC, but he’s a flyer. JJAW can’t create YAC because he can’t separate. 

I have commented on the low agility scores of the WRs that Howie picks so you won’t get any argument from me on that.  But Hightower does run good routes and has a nice change of pace feint.  But Doug and Press insisted on him running DJax routes.  Bad fit.  Still prefers body catching.   I think he can be used and I think it is as a slot.  I see Quez as a back up Z.  Needs refinement as he got by using his speed in college.   X is where they need a starter because of the JJAW fail.  Not sure Fulgham is more than a backup. Now can the Eagles improve at WR, absolutely.  But the problem I have is seeing the first round WRs this year as the road to that improvement. Maybe Chase.  Really wished he had played this year to allay my fears. 

38 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did you actually read it?

Yes I did.  

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He also went on about how important Ward is.  I’m going to go ahead and disregard everything he says, given that he would probably like a job or insider status with the Eagles.  He’s part of the fluff machine.

 

He also said Hightower was scared to get hit, so he must be a pretty horrible fluff machine operator.

Just draft pro bowl players at every position.........

That's right Howie is drafting......

Howie will draft the girl kicker from Vandy just make a splash and other JAG's.

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No. They were zone heavy because that was there philosophy and got players around that scheme. 

Have you not listened at all to what Sirianni and his staff have said since being hired?  So what skills do you believe Gannon wants in his Secondary?  What skills are Wilson and McDonald looking for?  Would they run Cover 1 if they had the DBs to do it?