Just now, Saltpeter said:

He also said Hightower was scared to get hit, so he must be a pretty horrible fluff machine operator.

Lol. I thought Avant was pretty good and seemed honest as he could be without turning on the organization. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

McLeod is not a lock to play much early. 

I would be surprised if he is ready to play before December, if at all. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

Have you not listened at all to what Sirianni and his staff have said since being hired?  So what skills do you believe Gannon wants in his Secondary?  What skills are Wilson and McDonald looking for?  Would they run Cover 1 if they had the DBs to do it?

I have no idea. We’ll find out. But all coaches say they scheme to their players’ strengths. I’ll wait until there is real proof of this. 

We do know that Eberflus is a Tampa 2 disciple so to suggest that he played zone because he was building around his players’ strengths is a big stretch. 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I would be surprised if he is ready to play before December, if at all. 

Unless his knee injury was multi ligament, the chances are he’ll be back in 9-10 months. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Just out of curiosity, when Hurts has a garbage year in 2021 and no WR goes for over 600 yards for the 20th consecutive year, are we going to say that we shouldn’t invest in a new QB because Hurts never had a fair shot?  I’m just wondering how long this dance lasts.  

I understand your point. I just don’t see Hurts being able to read NFL defenses and getting to a third read, or even second. He’s gonna be a read one and run QB. And we’ve seen how sustainable that is in the NFL. That’s why I’m more into drafting a guy like Chase or Pitts, than a technician like Smith, because I don’t think Hurts’ style will utilize quick twitch route running, but be better suited for guys who will go up and get it. 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Let’s not go too crazy here. CB is still very valuable. 

I agree, but they’re such a crap shoot, I don’t think drafting them in the top ten is a smart move. They’re so hard to project at the next level. Maybe the hardest of all positions. 

Just now, blindside said:

I agree, but they’re such a crap shoot, I don’t think drafting them in the top ten is a smart move. They’re so hard to project at the next level. Maybe the hardest of all positions. 

Outside of OL, it seems most positions are hit or miss. That’s just the nature of the draft.

But if a team sees a CB as potentially elite or close to it, that’s a valuable prospect. I wouldn’t pass on that in the top 10. I’m not sure there’s a corner in this draft who projects to be close to that.  

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

 

 

Two different posters bro

We don't need to come out of this draft with any position other than the most talented guys on the board. People gotta get rid of this "we gotta feel needs as quick as possible!" mindset. It's not how you build a good team. This rebuild is gonna take a few years. This roster is a train wreck. The sooner people come to terms with that, the easier it'll be to endure.

If the Eagles over the next 2-3 offseasons just keep adding really talented players, they'll be fine. The second they go "Yeah, this guy is a stud, but we need ___ position" they're screwed.

7 minutes ago, greend said:

Two different posters bro

He said no one said it...

I still think quality CBs are a must , Mahomes ran for 490 yards before throwing ball in the Super Bowl because of the coverage he was facing , nobody open

you can beat a pass rush with 3 step drops and out

28 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

We don't need to come out of this draft with any position other than the most talented guys on the board. People gotta get rid of this "we gotta feel needs as quick as possible!" mindset. It's not how you build a good team. This rebuild is gonna take a few years. This roster is a train wreck. The sooner people come to terms with that, the easier it'll be to endure.

If the Eagles over the next 2-3 offseasons just keep adding really talented players, they'll be fine. The second they go "Yeah, this guy is a stud, but we need ___ position" they're screwed.

I'm leaning towards BPA at 6. Way too many holes everywhere

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Will he have success if he plays with a different offensive scheme in place ??  He has failed in every scheme outside of Philly, and this offense will not be one he has played in.

He also still has yet to play a full 16 game season.

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Outside of OL, it seems most positions are hit or miss. That’s just the nature of the draft.

But if a team sees a CB as potentially elite or close to it, that’s a valuable prospect. I wouldn’t pass on that in the top 10. I’m not sure there’s a corner in this draft who projects to be close to that.  

Howie is the issue and why trading back concerns me. That idiot is likely to trade back, reach on a CB, blow the picks they got for moving back and nothing comes of any of this. WR isn't my ideal pick at 6 because that isn't how you build a team, but neither is having someone like Howie who's blown so many picks the last few years running the draft board.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

I have no idea. We’ll find out. But all coaches say they scheme to their players’ strengths. I’ll wait until there is real proof of this. 

We do know that Eberflus is a Tampa 2 disciple so to suggest that he played zone because he was building around his players’ strengths is a big stretch. 

Unless his knee injury was multi ligament, the chances are he’ll be back in 9-10 months. 

Eberflus was mixing in cover 1 and cover 3 concepts b/c if you run a Tampa 2 these days without disguising it a veteran QB will carve you up.

But you can't do it all in one draft or one offseason, so go BPA, and go volume. Next draft you can focus more on needs. 2023 you sign FAs to fill needs.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eberflus was mixing in cover 1 and cover 3 concepts b/c if you run a Tampa 2 these days without disguising it a veteran QB will carve you up.

But you can't do it all in one draft or one offseason, so go BPA, and go volume. Next draft you can focus more on needs. 2023 you sign FAs to fill needs.

Sure. I’m not suggesting any DC runs one single coverage exclusively or doesn’t change over time to counter NFL offensive trends. 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Let’s not go too crazy here. CB is still very valuable. 

Yup and I think the best value for cb is out of the first round and not big ticket FA corners.

If one can draft corners out of the first round on cheaper contracts and continue to do so or resign them at reasonable team friendly contracts instead if the contracts premium corners demand on the open market then one can be competitive.

Allocating a ton of resources to corner is a sunk cost imho.

1 hour ago, purplefiggy said:

I wonder if that mismatch of skill and scheme was more on Jim or Howie?

It's tough to tell,seeing as when Schwartz first got here they were 7 man zone every snap then switched to single high man every snap, maybe the incongruity in scheme played a part.

Mills and rasul fit more as zone corners because they lack speed, asking them to play man was asking for trouble.

Maddox same thing he has the speed for man but not the size he'd be better as a zone corner.

Of course slay is a press man corner so Schwartz played him 7 off🤔 

I'm interested to see how gannon employs his corners, I'm not to familiar with what he did previously?

45 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have no idea. We’ll find out. But all coaches say they scheme to their players’ strengths. I’ll wait until there is real proof of this. 

We do know that Eberflus is a Tampa 2 disciple so to suggest that he played zone because he was building around his players’ strengths is a big stretch. 

Unless his knee injury was multi ligament, the chances are he’ll be back in 9-10 months. 

Pretty much every team plays zone.  Cover 1 has some zone aspect.  So, of course they will play some zone if they truly want to fool the offense. But I want corners that are good enough to play man when called on and a FS that can provide "safety”. 

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Pretty much every team plays zone.  Cover 1 has some zone aspect.  So, of course they will play some zone if they truly want to fool the offense. But I want corners that are good enough to play man when called on and a FS that can provide "safety”. 

Of course every team plays some mix and match of man vs zone. When it comes to stocking the position it’s a matter of supply and demand. If you’re mostly a zone team, it’s easier to find players because man coverage is significantly more difficult.

Eberflus has a heavy zone-based background. Last year he branched out from cover 2 to more cover 3 and cover 1. He does a lot of switching and read and react. 

Will Gannon do that? I have no idea. I know he talked a lot about Zimmer’s influence on him so I don’t know if we’ll see so much of an Eberflus influence. Zimmer has changed recently too, so is he looking at pre-2020 Zimmer defense or will he share Zimmer’s thoughts that two-high safeties is the way to go?

 

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Outside of OL, it seems most positions are hit or miss. That’s just the nature of the draft.

But if a team sees a CB as potentially elite or close to it, that’s a valuable prospect. I wouldn’t pass on that in the top 10. I’m not sure there’s a corner in this draft who projects to be close to that.  

Actually, LB in the first hits more Pro Bowl and All Pro than OT but OT is next. Not that I am advocating for a LB in the first round.

I think Farley is potentially elite and maybe Surtain.  Players I think are potentially elite in the first are Chase and Farley.  Maybe 2019 Sewell.   Next are Pitts and Surtain.   Pitts seems like E J Howard that doesn’t in-line block. I just don’t see Gronk in him. Smith is just too small for me to be comfortable with him. Real slick with moves and positioning.  Waddle too injury prone. Would surprise me f they are elite WRs in their careers.  Might be elite at lesser position are Parsons and a few OL.  None of the QBs strike me as elite.  
 

Since you want WRs, which day 2 and day 3 WRs do you like   Pretty much an X and slot draft as I see it with the depth at slot  

 

5 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Very high in the draft!  Yes!

Round 1 or 2 depending 

11 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Actually, LB in the first hits more Pro Bowl and All Pro than OT but OT is next. Not that I am advocating for a LB in the first round.

I think Farley is potentially elite and maybe Surtain.  Players I think are potentially elite in the first are Chase and Farley.  Maybe 2019 Sewell.   Next are Pitts and Surtain.   Pitts seems like E J Howard that doesn’t in-line block. I just don’t see Gronk in him. Smith is just too small for me to be comfortable with him. Real slick with moves and positioning.  Waddle too injury prone. Would surprise me f they are elite WRs in their careers.  Might be elite at lesser position are Parsons and a few OL.  None of the QBs strike me as elite.  
 

Since you want WRs, which day 2 and day 3 WRs do you like   Pretty much an X and slot draft as I see it with the depth at slot  

 

I think it’s a bad X draft after Chase and Bateman are gone. In round 2, the only WR I’m overly interested in is Terrace Marshall. 

In round 3, I like WRs like St. Brown, Dyami Brown, Wallace, Eskridge and Terry, but only Terry looks like an X. I need to watch more of Nico Collins. 

Edit: Elijah Moore too. 

5 hours ago, T-1000 said:

It's funny you said since a lot of Eagles fans make Joe Douglas out to be some draft guru and when he was running the show our drafts were horrendous. Howie deserves blame no doubt about it, but not putting a fair amount of the blame on Douglas too is stupid.

I liked Joe's first draft with the Jets and very curious to see this years