2 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I'll answer it:

Because getting matched on linebackers and safeties is even better for Pitts 

Again i didn’t make that argument. I even said not that I agreed with it. 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s what BLG has been saying for months now. That’s his exact argument for when people say he can play WR at a high level in college and the pros. Not that i agree with it but it has been his argument 

I'm not arguing that he can't, just that it feels like you wouldn't be utilizing him to his max potential lining him up as an X full time. If he and his coaches thought he'd be best as a WR, they would have done it. 

Pitts is a special talent.  TE or WR, label does not matter.  Call him a play-maker may be just right.  Line him up wherever and let him make plays.  Question is: will he be there at pick #6?  Trading up to grasp him is a different question though.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm not arguing that he can't, just that it feels like you wouldn't be utilizing him to his max potential lining him up as an X full time. If he and his coaches thought he'd be best as a WR, they would have done it. 

That’s basically what BLG overall point was. 

I’m fine with pitts or chase at six. It’s frankly who i think it comes down too. I think Sewell is gone. (Tend to think pitts is gone by 6 too). And i think there is gonna be a QB available so trade back is an option

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Ehlinger would be a good developmental QB, has the arm strength, athleticism and toughness, but needs a lot of work on mechanics and reading defenses.

Flatlined at UT, which makes me wonder about QB coaching under Herrmans.

I question his neck up skills but he is probably the best of the Day 3 QBs although I think Mond should be a Day 3.  Only QB I would want to see selected in the fifth is Mond.  

Were Toney and Grimes better choices at the WR position than Pitts, or was it purely to create better matchups against LB/S? Who was the X WR for the Gators last season?

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s basically what BLG overall point was. 

Thanks now I feel dirty

23 minutes ago, RLC said:

Kyle Pitts is a generational prospect at TE. Keep him there and let him dominate. I think he's gone by 5 TBH. 

They said that about Vernon Davis.  They said that about E J Howard.  Good TEs but not generational.  

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s what BLG has been saying for months now. That’s his exact argument for when people say he can play WR at a high level in college and the pros. Not that i agree with it but it has been his argument 

It's not an argument unless Pitts had a history of not playing well when lined up outside.  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-profile-florida-tight-end-kyle-pitts 

+ LOT OF WORK LINED UP AS A RECEIVER SPLIT IN THE SLOT OR OUT WIDE

Some 36% of Pitts' snaps in 2020 were lined up outside of an in-line position. That’s encouraging in this world of pass-happy offenses and shows that he can win from real wide receiver alignments — not just as a tight end.

 

I mean he played outside and as a receiver.  He was recruited as a TE and also played TE but it wasn't like he didn't play well outside.  He just was probably also so much better as the next TE on their roster than he was better than the next best WR that the team moved him inside at TE and put another WR in his place.  

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Ouch. Maybe he will fall to the second round.  Would Howie have the guts after Jones?

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Right, so why wouldn't you do that at the next level?

I'm not arguing not to take him, just saying I don't buy the "He'll move and play X full time" argument. 

I agree with you. My thing has been and remains is - if he can ONLY play TE I don't want him at 6 - not that we can't use another great TE but we already have Goedert. I only want to Pitts at 6 if he has the versatility to play X, Y, Z, piano - violin etc. 

 

Another question for the blog - how many agree with the following?

Quote

 

6. Philadelphia Eagles: Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama

I do not care that they drafted Jalen Reagor. Figure out a way to use both. Juilo Jones, DeAndre Hopkins, and Davante Adams might be "better" receivers than Tyreek Hill, but nobody in the NFL strikes fear in the hearts of defensive coordinators like Hill can. Many Hill comps are thrown out there, but this is the only one that is actually real.

He’s the perfect combination of his former teammates Jerry Jeudy and Henry Ruggs. He possesses the long speed of Ruggs with the ability to change direction of Jeudy. Although there is sharpening still to come in his route running, he’s already nearly uncoverable. There’s a chance Jaylen Waddle becomes the most dangerous weapon in the entire league. That’s worth being the first skill-position player drafted.

 

If this is true - Waddle has to be the pick at 6. 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's not an argument unless Pitts had a history of not playing well when lined up outside.  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2021-nfl-draft-profile-florida-tight-end-kyle-pitts 

+ LOT OF WORK LINED UP AS A RECEIVER SPLIT IN THE SLOT OR OUT WIDE

Some 36% of Pitts' snaps in 2020 were lined up outside of an in-line position. That’s encouraging in this world of pass-happy offenses and shows that he can win from real wide receiver alignments — not just as a tight end.

 

I mean he played outside and as a receiver.  He was recruited as a TE and also played TE but it wasn't like he didn't play well outside.  He just was probably also so much better as the next TE on their roster than he was better than the next best WR that the team moved him inside at TE and put another WR in his place.  

Again wasn’t my argument. Again i also said not that i agree with it. People get way too upset about pitts if you don’t. Believe he’s the next Tony Gonzalez (insert HOF TE) on this board. I actually like pitts. I have no qualms taking him at 6 as the eagles need good players so take the BPA is how i view it.

However the way fans making him a HOFer before he plays a snap at the nfl level is typical leading up to the draft. Ruggs last year was supposed to be this star speedster who was going to be great right off the bat. Wound up being pretty eh. Meanwhile there was a lot of people downplaying Ceedee lamb. If Dak doesn’t get hurt lamb was on pace to also break the record jefferson did. My point is more you can love a player and not anoint him as a surefire HOF player (not so much you just in general)

3 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I agree with you. My thing has been and remains is - if he can ONLY play TE I don't want him at 6 - not that we can't use another great TE but we already have Goedert. I only want to Pitts at 6 if he has the versatility to play X, Y, Z, piano - violin etc. 

 

Another question for the blog - how many agree with the following?

If this is true - Waddle has to be the pick at 6. 

Really should be how everyone feels about him tbh. If he winds up only being strictly a TE the value isn’t there. His value is versatility and playing arch at a high level. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again wasn’t my argument. Again i also said not that i agree with it. People get way too upset about pitts if you don’t. Believe he’s the next Tony Gonzalez (insert HOF TE) on this board. I actually like pitts. I have no qualms taking him at 6 as the eagles need good players so take the BPA is how i view it.

However the way fans making him a HOFer before he plays a snap at the nfl level is typical leading up to the draft. Ruggs last year was supposed to be this star speedster who was going to be great right off the bat. Wound up being pretty eh. Meanwhile there was a lot of people downplaying Ceedee lamb. If Dak doesn’t get hurt lamb was on pace to also break the record jefferson did. My point is more you can love a player and not anoint him as a surefire HOF player (not so much you just in general)

I am not sold on Pitts but I don't think the Eagles should draft him if they think he's a TE.  I think the Eagles should only take him if they can use him primarily as a WR.  Ruggs was taken over Cee Dee Lamb an Lamb was much more productive.  Lamb also played on a team with a much better receiving corps.  Maybe Ruggs doesn't look as bad if the Eagles had traded up for Lamb.  I think so much depends on the role and the team.  I agree anointing any player as a sure fire anything before they step foot on the field as a professional is just meaningless.  

Howie needs to start the QB draft pick trade frenzy to get the teams at 7, 8, and 9 to offer picks to ATL, etc. to trade out. Pitts is our pick.

If you’re taking a pass catcher at #6, it’s got to be a guy who can handle 120-130 targets per season and put up 80 catch, 1,200+ yard seasons consistently.  Chase and Pitts are the only guys who fit that mold.  
 

I think when all is said and done the top 5 picks will be Lawrence, Wilson, Sewell, Fields, and one of Chase/Pitts.  That will leave the Eagles with a choice of Chase/Pitts, QB (Lance), or trade out.  I don’t see any defensive player worth a #6 pick, nor an OL aside from Sewell 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Really should be how everyone feels about him tbh. If he winds up only being strictly a TE the value isn’t there. His value is versatility and playing arch at a high level. 

Agree.  As just a TE?  Not worth the #6 pick.  If he really did run a 4.46 (look slower than that to my eyes) then he should be able to play on the outside as well and can be moved around the formation to play any receiver role and create mismatches not just for him, but for his teammates, too.  That is worthy of the #6 pick.  If his ability can add a dimension to the entire O then it's worth it.  I have never compared him to Gonzalez or Gronk or any other TE.  I don't care about that.  Again, if he can be lined up anywhere to create mismatches for the O vs the D then fine. 

All that said, I'm still not sure about him at #6.  Without the proper combine it's harder to tell what is what.

 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I am not sold on Pitts but I don't think the Eagles should draft him if they think he's a TE.  I think the Eagles should only take him if they can use him primarily as a WR.  Ruggs was taken over Cee Dee Lamb an Lamb was much more productive.  Lamb also played on a team with a much better receiving corps.  Maybe Ruggs doesn't look as bad if the Eagles had traded up for Lamb.  I think so much depends on the role and the team.  I agree anointing any player as a sure fire anything before they step foot on the field as a professional is just meaningless.  

If the eagles don’t believe they can maximize pitts versatility and get high level play out of him at WR as well as TE they shouldn’t draft him. At that point you aren’t going to maximize his skill set to justify him at 6. If he’s just a tight end then at 6 it’s not worth it. I’m guessing if they go pitts it means they have a plan for him to be used in a multitude of different ways as a weapon at TE and WR. 

I think ruggs had his own issues. The raiders weren’t exactly thrilled with him. I forget he quote mayock dropped right after the season but it wasn’t flattering to ruggs. My point was more all over this board and blog people anointed ruggs as this surefire bonafide WR right off the bat. He wasn’t. I would also argue the raiders had Waller and agholor who played very well last year. Cowboys clearly better WRs around lamb but Waller was arguably the second best tight end and agholor was good. 

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

So you would draft John Ross over Marvin Harrison? 

Marvin ran a 4.38 and was the 19th pick not the 6th.

Devonta is closer to a 4.45 guy so not quite as fast as Marvin.

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Iowa LB Nick Niemann 6030

234

4.45

3-cone 6.67

Those are draft stock climbing numbers.

34 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Pretty sure that teams will have their top CB on them unless their WR is elite. Pitts against LB/S is an unacceptable mismatch in gameplanning.

That will be interesting to see if teams will still commit to doing that even if they have Pitts in line with his hand in the ground on some plays

I think he's the greatest mismatch offensive playmaker I can remember watching coming into the draft. If we aren't going QB, I really hope he's there at 6. We'll have 10-15 years of an unbelievable weapon 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If you’re taking a pass catcher at #6, it’s got to be a guy who can handle 120-130 targets per season and put up 80 catch, 1,200+ yard seasons consistently.  Chase and Pitts are the only guys who fit that mold.  
 

I think when all is said and done the top 5 picks will be Lawrence, Wilson, Sewell, Fields, and one of Chase/Pitts.  That will leave the Eagles with a choice of Chase/Pitts, QB (Lance), or trade out.  I don’t see any defensive player worth a #6 pick, nor an OL aside from Sewell 

I tend to agree that’s your options at 6. I think those will be the top 5. Eagles are going to have the option of pitts/chase or fields/Lance or trade out. Depending on how far they have to go back the trade out is attractive. I tend to think Carolina is going to move up to 3 to get a QB. I tend to think atlanta goes pitts or Sewell. Atlanta needs oline. Their RT is not very good. Neither is one of their guard spots and they lost Alex Mack. I think Sewell being the best player there makes a ton of sense. To me cincy comes down to chase or pitts. I tend to lean towards pitts for them as they have Higgins and Boyd so they could get pitts at tight end who also gives them versatility to ply some WR. I think Denver, SF and New England would be the three teams vying to trade up to 6

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

If you’re taking a pass catcher at #6, it’s got to be a guy who can handle 120-130 targets per season and put up 80 catch, 1,200+ yard seasons consistently.  Chase and Pitts are the only guys who fit that mold.  
 

I think when all is said and done the top 5 picks will be Lawrence, Wilson, Sewell, Fields, and one of Chase/Pitts.  That will leave the Eagles with a choice of Chase/Pitts, QB (Lance), or trade out.  I don’t see any defensive player worth a #6 pick, nor an OL aside from Sewell 

 

Chase and Pitts are the only ones that can handle that in seasons consistently when neither did for multiple seasons in college?  

Meanwhile Devonta Smith actually has. 

 

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