4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I like him a lot.

Like this much 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If the eagles don’t believe they can maximize pitts versatility and get high level play out of him at WR as well as TE they shouldn’t draft him. At that point you aren’t going to maximize his skill set to justify him at 6. If he’s just a tight end then at 6 it’s not worth it. I’m guessing if they go pitts it means they have a plan for him to be used in a multitude of different ways as a weapon at TE and WR. 

I think ruggs had his own issues. The raiders weren’t exactly thrilled with him. I forget he quote mayock dropped right after the season but it wasn’t flattering to ruggs. My point was more all over this board and blog people anointed ruggs as this surefire bonafide WR right off the bat. He wasn’t. I would also argue the raiders had Waller and agholor who played very well last year. Cowboys clearly better WRs around lamb but Waller was arguably the second best tight end and agholor was good. 

 

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Kyle Pitts running a 4:46 at his pro day. Means his real 40 is in the 4:50 range.  At least.  Just as I said.  

Looked like with proper track mechanics, he could have been low 4.4

30 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Interesting....

TE to me seems like a position similar to RB whereas you can find outstanding starters later in the draft pretty consistently. 

Im not sure the position affects the game enough to warrant such a high pick. And Im not sure theres enough of a difference between an elite TE, and a player like Ertz/Goedert or even Celek to warrant such an early pick. 

 

Something else- OJ Howard may have been an even better athlete with better size than Pitts. Is it really safe to assume Pitts is a Kelce level player and act as if Pitts is a HOFer already? Just based on expected combine numbers?

He's the greatest TE to ever step on to a football field.   Everybody knows it.

Based on how polarized the fan base is with Pitts, positive and negative, I have no doubt he will be the pick.  Then we will kill each other over it.

34 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Wlb for some team 

Yup, not sure what type of LBs gannon likes but I imagine most DC wouldn't have problems with Guys his size that can move like he can.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Based on how polarized the fan base is with Pitts, positive and negative, I have no doubt he will be the pick.  Then we will kill each other over it.

I think last year jefferson was the most polarizing one and we didn’t select him. 

Smith Marsette > Devonta Smith?

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

That seems like a ton given that Kyle Fuller got only a one year $9.5 million deal. 

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Based on how polarized the fan base is with Pitts, positive and negative, I have no doubt he will be the pick.  Then we will kill each other over it.

How long do I have before I have to pick a side?

28 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, not sure what type of LBs gannon likes but I imagine most DC wouldn't have problems with Guys his size that can move like he can.

Can he play though?

24 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

That seems like a ton given that Kyle Fuller got only a one year $9.5 million deal. 

It is a ton considering he’s also coming off an injury (only played 11 in 2019) and wasn’t good when he did play this year. 

25 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

How long do I have before I have to pick a side?

We are taking track starting now so we can say i told you so or have to eat crow. The list! 

I wonder how Sirianni is going to feel when he reads those articles that Dillard doesn’t really love ball 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I wonder how Sirianni is going to feel when he reads those articles that Dillard doesn’t really love ball 

Well sirianni sleeps in his office and does nothing but watch tape so he probably is unaware of the articles lol 

2 hours ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

Your disappointed in a 6ft 6 240lb Matchup nightmare running a 4.46!? What more do you want?

It wasn’t even a pro day, so the 4.46 is likely as real as Reagor’s 4.28...which we pretty quickly learned wasn’t real at all.  
 

Is he a great TE prospect?  Yes.  But for a TE who doesn’t block and isn’t a physical manhandler, he’s not actually going to be a matchup nightmare if he’s just a more athletic Zach Ertz.  If he can be an X wr, that’s a different story.  But a highly inflated 4.46 isn’t necessarily the right start to proving he’s an x wr.

If Pitts was (will be?) positioned as a WR/TE or a WR who plays TE sometimes......

 

I would be all for getting him at 6. 

 If I can't trade back for a secondary my offensive preference is Sewell if he drops, or trade back a little for Waddle-who I love and think fits what this team needs in a playmaker better.  Looks more & more likely if a QB drops they take him, making all positions moot.  Just praying they don't trade up whatever they do.

2 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

I can’t say if Pitts will be good, but Kelce is worth a top 5 pick.

Kelce is worth a top 5 pick.  Anquan Boldin is worth a top 10 pick.  Michael Thomas is worth a top 10 pick.

But the reality is that none of those guys, themselves, were drafted anywhere near that range.  That’s because we cant just invest first round picks in the assumption that players will become anomalies.  
 

A TE who is NOT a WR and does not have Vernon Davis level measurables?  That’s a risk.  Sure, Evan’s ran 4.50, but he WAS a wr.  He didn’t need scouts to speculate how he’d handle a position change.  And if he stays at TE, he can only be so much of a matchup nightmare with the way he blocks.  Much like Ertz, teams will just keep an extra DB on the field.  But he’s not going to toss people around in the way that Gronk/Kelce do.

His real upside is in being an X wr in the mold of Evans.  But it’s a transition and he doesn’t have the slam dunk workouts to back it up.  

So that’s questionable value top 10.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It wasn’t even a pro day, so the 4.46 is likely as real as Reagor’s 4.28...which we pretty quickly learned wasn’t real at all.  
 

Is he a great TE prospect?  Yes.  But for a TE who doesn’t block and isn’t a physical manhandler, he’s not actually going to be a matchup nightmare if he’s just a more athletic Zach Ertz.  If he can be an X wr, that’s a different story.  But a highly inflated 4.46 isn’t necessarily the right start to proving he’s an x wr.

Pitts blocks well enough for a TE. He’s no Kittle, but he’s no Ertz either. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Kelce is worth a top 5 pick.  Anquan Boldin is worth a top 10 pick.  Michael Thomas is worth a top 10 pick.

But the reality is that none of those guys, themselves, were drafted anywhere near that range.  That’s because we cant just invest first round picks in the assumption that players will become anomalies.  
 

A TE who is NOT a WR and does not have Vernon Davis level measurables?  That’s a risk.  Sure, Evan’s ran 4.50, but he WAS a wr.  He didn’t need scouts to speculate how he’d handle a position change.  And if he stays at TE, he can only be so much of a matchup nightmare with the way he blocks.  Much like Ertz, teams will just keep an extra DB on the field.  But he’s not going to toss people around in the way that Gronk/Kelce do.

His real upside is in being an X wr in the mold of Evans.  But it’s a transition and he doesn’t have the slam dunk workouts to back it up.  

So that’s questionable value top 10.

Once upon a time, Kelce was known as a terrible blocker too. Goedert didn’t even block in college. 

Andy Reid has also had great success with almost all of his TEs. Kelce obviously is talented, but much like Mahomes it’s a perfect melding of coaching and talent. I think you’d be extremely hard pressed to replicate that, and comparing Pitts here to Kelce there isn’t in the same universe

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Once upon a time, Kelce was known as a terrible blocker too. Goedert didn’t even block in college. 

Kelce was a 3rd round pick, goedert a 2nd.  At #6 overall, these questions really shouldn’t exist.

Im not saying he can’t be great or can’t do these things one day.  

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Kelce was a 3rd round pick, goedert a 2nd.  At #6 overall, these questions really shouldn’t exist.

Im not saying he can’t be great or can’t do these things one day.  

But they also weren’t on his level as a pass catcher or prospect either, so I’m not sure why we keep saying "X” was a second round pick or "Y” was a third round pick. That doesn’t matter. 

I’m not pounding the table for him at 6, but it’s unarguable that he’s an elite prospect. Probably the best TE prospect in my lifetime. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

But they also weren’t on his level as a pass catcher or prospect either, so I’m not sure why we keep saying "X” was a second round pick or "Y” was a third round pick. That doesn’t matter. 

I’m not pounding the table for him at 6, but it’s unarguable that he’s an elite prospect. Probably the best TE prospect ever in my lifetime. 

It does matter though.  Brady was a 6th round pick for a reason.  Kelce a 3rd round pick for a reason.

At #6 overall, a player needs to project as THE guy you build your defense around or a top 2 building block on your offense.

Could Pitts be that guy?  Sure.  But that path for a finesse TE who does not block well and lacks the Vernon Davis measurables as a slam dunk X projection...that path is not well paved.  

Okay, that’s it ..... I’m at a point now where if the Eagles don’t draft Pitts at #6 I’m going to jump off the roof, or throw someone else off the roof.  Probably someone else, because why should I go if someone else can go?

Btw — that Pitts dash was a 4.27 ..... 

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It does matter though.  Brady was a 6th round pick for a reason.  Kelce a 3rd round pick for a reason.

At #6 overall, a player needs to project as THE guy you build your defense around or a top 2 building block on your offense.

Could Pitts be that guy?  Sure.  But that path for a finesse TE who does not block well and lacks the Vernon Davis measurables as a slam dunk X projection...that path is not well paved.  

I’m not calling him a slam dunk prospect. Those guys don’t exist. Every player has a path to bustsville. 

But if we’re talking about the likelihood of a player in this draft becoming elite or a difference maker at their position, Pitts has probably the best odds of anyone. 

Besides, this isn’t a great top 10 to be picking in  There are two elite prospects that the experts agree on — Lawrence and Pitts.