38 minutes ago, RLC said:

Only positions worth a top 10 pick

• QB
• WR
• CB
• iDL
• EDGE
• OT

You could "maybe" argue for TE/G if you're getting a Nelson/Kelce level prospect, but even then I'd likely pass on them. Taking an off-ball LB, C, RB, S, etc. is insane. In 2017 the Jets took Jamal Adams at #6. Great player, but the Jets passed on Mahomes, Lattimore, Watson in the next 5-6 picks. 

Now, I'm going to yell at anyone mocking Parsons to us at 6.

Since when has a WR in the top 10 make sense?   Which WR taken top 10 would you say was worth it?  How many have there been historically?

 

2017 - 3 WRs went top 10.  Were any of them worth even a first round pick?  Corey Davis (5), Mike Williams (7), John Ross (9).
2015 - 2 WRs went top 10.  Amari Cooper (4), Kevin White (7)
2014 - 2 WRs.  Sammy Watkins (4), Mike Evans (7)

 

I just don't see it.   None of them were worth a top 10 pick.  And only Evans is still with his original team from 2014-15.  And frankly, it doesn't seem like now that free agency has come for Davis, Williams and Ross... it's highly unlikely that any of them will stay either.  Wr is a capstone piece more than the others.

6 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Yeah, just read that. Surprised the Eagles have "a vision” .

It's a misspelling. He meant "visor."

We had three rookie WRs, a 2nd year SFA, a 2nd year player out of position (JJAW who looks more suited to H-back), and Ward, and people know what we have at WR?

Let's see how they look this year with a better OL, QBs with the time to make throws, and a better WR coach to work with them.

It's like our DBs, how come Jones, Douglas, Sullivan, Pryor, Ware are starting elsewhere?

Not saying we don't need more talent, but we definitely need better coaching. There are lots of 2nd to 4th rd WRs tearing up the league, maybe WR production is more than just raw talent.

This could come down to if Doug will give up full control of the offense to a new OC. If he refuses, bye bye. Maybe Lurie gave him the weekend to think it over, lol

8 minutes ago, metal said:

 

They're having another meeting?

Lurie should hurry up and make a decision so he can start the hiring process now. IIRC teams can meet with any coach in the playoffs because it'll be done virtual

If there's doubt then he should just move on

Also sucks that there's no mention of Howie. Guess the weasel is staying

I trust what Mort is reporting is the truth. And that’s pretty bad considering we gave everyone else a head start. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We had three rookie WRs, a 2nd year SFA, a 2nd year player out of position (JJAW who looks more suited to H-back), and Ward, and people know what we have at WR?

Let's see how they look this year with a better OL, QBs with the time to make throws, and a better WR coach to work with them.

It's like our DBs, how come Jones, Douglas, Sullivan, Pryor, Ware are starting elsewhere?

Not saying we don't need more talent, but we definitely need better coaching. There are lots of 2nd to 4th rd WRs tearing up the league, maybe WR production is more than just raw talent.

Didn't you bring this up before and it was already mention how Jones still sucks?

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We had three rookie WRs, a 2nd year SFA, a 2nd year player out of position (JJAW who looks more suited to H-back), and Ward, and people know what we have at WR?

Let's see how they look this year with a better OL, QBs with the time to make throws, and a better WR coach to work with them.

It's like our DBs, how come Jones, Douglas, Sullivan, Pryor, Ware are starting elsewhere?

Not saying we don't need more talent, but we definitely need better coaching. There are lots of 2nd to 4th rd WRs tearing up the league, maybe WR production is more than just raw talent.

JJAW is more suited to HVAC than to H-Back. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

They're having another meeting?

Lurie should hurry up and make a decision so he can start the hiring process now. IIRC teams can meet with any coach in the playoffs because it'll be done virtual

If there's doubt then he should just move on

Also sucks that there's no mention of Howie. Guess the weasel is staying

I think it's almost a certainty that Howie Roseman is back. All the reports I've read have said that Lurie hasn't even considered moving on from him.

Just now, metal said:

I think it's almost a certainty that Howie Roseman is back. All the reports I've read have said that Lurie hasn't even considered moving on from him.

Then Lurie is a problem now

 

17 minutes ago, austinfan said:

We had three rookie WRs, a 2nd year SFA, a 2nd year player out of position (JJAW who looks more suited to H-back), and Ward, and people know what we have at WR?

Let's see how they look this year with a better OL, QBs with the time to make throws, and a better WR coach to work with them.

It's like our DBs, how come Jones, Douglas, Sullivan, Pryor, Ware are starting elsewhere?

Not saying we don't need more talent, but we definitely need better coaching. There are lots of 2nd to 4th rd WRs tearing up the league, maybe WR production is more than just raw talent.

Poyer took forever to become a starter at a different position in which he was drafted. Jones made a few plays but sucked in Jacksonville. Douglas started out hot and regressed in Carolina. Sullivan was a position change as a UDFA. Those guys don’t get a long leash.  

Ware? He’s bad. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Since when has a WR in the top 10 make sense?   Which WR taken top 10 would you say was worth it?  How many have there been historically?

 

2017 - 3 WRs went top 10.  Were any of them worth even a first round pick?  Corey Davis (5), Mike Williams (7), John Ross (9).
2015 - 2 WRs went top 10.  Amari Cooper (4), Kevin White (7)
2014 - 2 WRs.  Sammy Watkins (4), Mike Evans (7)

 

I just don't see it.   None of them were worth a top 10 pick.  And only Evans is still with his original team from 2014-15.  And frankly, it doesn't seem like now that free agency has come for Davis, Williams and Ross... it's highly unlikely that any of them will stay either.  Wr is a capstone piece more than the others.

Calvin Johnson

Julio Jones

Mike Evans

Larry Fitz

Theres a lot more, thats just a few lol

You take the BPA, yes even if its a WR. 

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

This could come down to if Doug will give up full control of the offense to a new OC. If he refuses, bye bye. Maybe Lurie gave him the weekend to think it over, lol

He should at least be forced to give up play calling. "I like doing it" isn't a good enough reason to remain play caller after this how this season went.

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Problem is if this is true then they are already late to the game. This decision needed to be made a week ago.

Definitely late if you want them to look at Joe Brady; he’s already agreed to three head coaching interviews.

I know teams can’t block coaches for HC interviews, but I’m a bit surprised Matt Rhule didn’t ask for at least a 2-year commitment when he brought Brady in. 

24 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

How you could watch the secondary this year and think that astounds me that you think CB would fall off the list.   It is the most needed position on the team.

I astounds me that you think CB is the most needed position on the team.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Calvin Johnson

Julio Jones

Mike Evans

Larry Fitz

Theres a lot more, thats just a few lol

Tell me... which of those guys was pivotal in winning a Super Bowl?

Johnson - great player - never sniffed the Super Bowl, barely sniffed the playoffs.
Jones - got to 1 Super Bowl - 4 receptions, 87 yards.
Evans - never sniffed a Super Bowl
Fitz - 1 Super Bowl appearance.   Had a great Super Bowl.  Still lost.

 

My point is, teams that draft in the top 10 almost never have the appropriate foundation to take a player at the WR position and make it matter.  Meanwhile, there is a MUCH longer list of top WRs that are taken later in the draft, and I think to a certain extent, the reason that those players are more successful is because the other more foundational pieces are in place.

30 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

I don't disagree with that. If the JJAW pick had worked out maybe they don't draft Reagor then I could absolutely see them going with Smith or Chase this year. I just have a gut feeling that they trade back to mid-teens or so and get someone on offensive or defensive line.

trading back is a mistake, maybe in the latter rounds, the oline is deep in this draft, the dline/dends arent very good, i wouldnt go there in the first round, you need weapons for either wentz or hurts, you cant go with this receiving core next year, it's basically tank year 2. if chase or smith is there take him. you have to go my the strength of the draft.

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I trust what Mort is reporting is the truth. And that’s pretty bad considering we gave everyone else a head start. 

Lurie is the problem.   The fact that there's not a decision in place yet for the HC staying or going is a MASSIVE problem.   Just shows that this is a rudderless ship (not sheep!).   lol

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tell me... which of those guys was pivotal in winning a Super Bowl?

Johnson - great player - never sniffed the Super Bowl, barely sniffed the playoffs.
Jones - got to 1 Super Bowl - 4 receptions, 87 yards.
Evans - never sniffed a Super Bowl
Fitz - 1 Super Bowl appearance.   Had a great Super Bowl.  Still lost.

 

My point is, teams that draft in the top 10 almost never have the appropriate foundation to take a player at the WR position and make it matter.  Meanwhile, there is a MUCH longer list of top WRs that are taken later in the draft, and I think to a certain extent, the reason that those players are more successful is because the other more foundational pieces are in place.

Do you trust this team to find and draft those players though?

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Fine by me, good for Lurie to at least see a little bit. But he is 100% dumb, deaf and blind to Howie's complete and total landfill fire he has created here. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Since when has a WR in the top 10 make sense?   Which WR taken top 10 would you say was worth it?  How many have there been historically?

2017 - 3 WRs went top 10.  Were any of them worth even a first round pick?  Corey Davis (5), Mike Williams (7), John Ross (9).
2015 - 2 WRs went top 10.  Amari Cooper (4), Kevin White (7)
2014 - 2 WRs.  Sammy Watkins (4), Mike Evans (7)

I just don't see it.   None of them were worth a top 10 pick.  And only Evans is still with his original team from 2014-15.  And frankly, it doesn't seem like now that free agency has come for Davis, Williams and Ross... it's highly unlikely that any of them will stay either.  Wr is a capstone piece more than the others.

Your points are valid. There's definitely a high bust rate at WR!

If we go a little further, we do get AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson in the top 6. 

So for me, you only take elite, elite WR prospects in the top 10. That's not Devonta Smith, but that is Ja'Marr Chase.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Pryor took forever to become a starter at a different position in which he was drafted. Jones made a few plays but sucked. Douglas started out hot and regressed. Sullivan was a position change. 

Ware? He’s bad. 

Pryor?   I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Poyer. 

Just now, RLC said:

Your points are valid. There's definitely a high bust rate at WR!

If we go a little further, we do get AJ Green, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson in the top 6. 

So for me, you only take elite, elite WR prospects in the top 10. That's not Devonta Smith, but that is Ja'Marr Chase.

Agreed... and none of them ever got a Super Bowl... and only 1 ever even got there.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tell me... which of those guys was pivotal in winning a Super Bowl?

Johnson - great player - never sniffed the Super Bowl, barely sniffed the playoffs.
Jones - got to 1 Super Bowl - 4 receptions, 87 yards.
Evans - never sniffed a Super Bowl
Fitz - 1 Super Bowl appearance.   Had a great Super Bowl.  Still lost.

 

My point is, teams that draft in the top 10 almost never have the appropriate foundation to take a player at the WR position and make it matter.  Meanwhile, there is a MUCH longer list of top WRs that are taken later in the draft, and I think to a certain extent, the reason that those players are more successful is because the other more foundational pieces are in place.

How many consistent top 10 drafting teams ever make the SB? Not many. Point is you take the BPA even if its a WR. The best player helps your chances at winning a SB in the long term. If your throwing out positions and reaching for a player just cause someone says you dont draft that position with a top 10 pick is a losing move. Winning franchises normally dont have many top 10 picks to begin with so thats not the best question you should be asking. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed... and none of them ever got a Super Bowl... and only 1 ever even got there.

That's not a reason not to take a player though. Calvin Johnson went to Detroit. AJ Green went to Cincinnati. They were all-pros on terrible franchises. 

Pick elite players at premium positions in the top 10!

Lurie needs to take a few pages out of Belichick’s handbook to success in the nfl.

We are going to suck in 2021 regardless.  You can fire Doug now or fire him after a mediocre to horrible 2021.  So fire him now and name Duce the HC.  Collect two 3rd round picks.  When they win 3 games in 2021, thank Duce for leading you to a top 2 pick and move on...then hire a passing game and qb guru as HC moving forward.