3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The sense is that Gannon may run much more 2-high that Schwartz.

playing half the field is far easier

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He’s a lot like Claypool last year in terms of risk reward.  If a team like our Eagles draft him, he’s a bust.  If the Chiefs draft him at 31 to replace Watkins, then you know everyone missed out.

Yup I agree, for the record I loved claypool last year though I'm sure if the eagles had drafted him he would of sucked as doug and co have zero ideas with what to do with WRs☹️

Looking at the other teams in the division I think 2-3 wins total is a distinct possibility for next year. If we win five our young coach should win COY. 

19 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Claypool is an interesting comparison.  6-4 240 and ran a 4.42.  He has 32" arms and huge hands at 9 7/8" (compared to Vernon Davis at 8 3/4").  I would have loved to have Claypool last year.  Pitts is a better Chase Claypool. 

Sidenote.  Underrated Eagle I always liked....Luther Broughton.  Thought he was tremendously underused when he was here.

 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I agree Pitts looks better than Chase(right now)

But is Pitts 40 some off picks better then him? I think thats my biggest thing with Pitts. 

 

 

 

 

Right.  And even after running a 4.42 40 Claypool had a 3rd round grade from the scouting reports I read.  When the Steelers drafted him in the 2nd round both @ManuManu were surprised but basically said if the Steelers picked him there, watch him become a stud.  

 

So how does drafting a TE that likely doesn't run a 4.42 40 6th overall, if his comp is a guy drafted in the 2nd round, (with a 3rd round grade) make sense?

 

Penei Sewell is the nephew of Isaac Sopoaga. We signed him in 2013 to a 3 year, $12 million deal. Then traded him in October to New England, giving up our 6th rounder (who became Zach Moore). We got NE's 5th rounder back. We traded that 5th for Darren Sproles. That pick turned out to be Ronald Powell.

Interesting stuff. 

We need to be careful throwing around "matchup nightmare."

That was how our 12 personnel was described (around here) heading into the 2018-2020 seasons, which I always argued until I was blue in the face.  The whole concept of matchup nightmare was predicated upon Zach Ertz blocking.  Teams just put a DB on him and treated our 12 personnel as 11, end of matchup nightmare.  Sure, Ertz was still productive (2018-2019) and our running game was always efficient, but matchup nightmare?  Hell no.

Kelce and Gronk were matchup nightmares because they rag-dolled ANY DB, outran ANY LB, and more than held their own blocking with a hand in the dirt.  Desean Jackson was a matchup nightmare because the entire defensive coverage game needed to roll towards containing him deep.

Kyle Pitts is silky smooth in his routes, is a GREAT athlete for a TE, has great length for contested catches, does not rag doll anyone, and does not block well.  If he is SO fast and smooth that he can separate against top CBs as an X WR, then he will be a matchup nightmare with that length.

If he's a TE and doesn't quite have the explosive movements of a WR...with the way he blocks...he's a faster, more athletic Ertz.  And don't get me wrong...that's something.  Ertz has been great for us.  But that's not a matchup nightmare for defenses.  He'll get his, he'll produce, he'll go to pro bowls...but teams will know how to match up against him.  Nickel defense, every time.  And they won't pay for it in the running game.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We need to be careful throwing around "matchup nightmare."

That was how our 12 personnel was described (around here) heading into the 2018-2020 seasons, which I always argued until I was blue in the face.  The whole concept of matchup nightmare was predicated upon Zach Ertz blocking.  Teams just put a DB on him and treated our 12 personnel as 11, end of matchup nightmare.  Sure, Ertz was still productive (2018-2019) and our running game was always efficient, but matchup nightmare?  Hell no.

Kelce and Gronk were matchup nightmares because they rag-dolled ANY DB, outran ANY LB, and more than held their own blocking with a hand in the dirt.  Desean Jackson was a matchup nightmare because the entire defensive coverage game needed to roll towards containing him deep.

Kyle Pitts is silky smooth in his routes, is a GREAT athlete for a TE, has great length for contested catches, does not rag doll anyone, and does not block well.  If he is SO fast and smooth that he can separate against top CBs as an X WR, then he will be a matchup nightmare with that length.

If he's a TE and doesn't quite have the explosive movements of a WR...with the way he blocks...he's a faster, more athletic Ertz.  And don't get me wrong...that's something.  Ertz has been great for us.  But that's not a matchup nightmare for defenses.  He'll get his, he'll produce, he'll go to pro bowls...but teams will know how to match up against him.  Nickel defense, every time.  And they won't pay for it in the running game.

Nice breakdown. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Penei Sewell is the nephew of Isaac Sopoaga. We signed him in 2013 to a 3 year, $12 million deal. Then traded him in October to New England, giving up our 6th rounder (who became Zach Moore). We got NE's 5th rounder back. We traded that 5th for Darren Sproles. That pick turned out to be Ronald Powell.

Interesting stuff. 

Channeling Ray Didinger now?

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

How delusional is he at this stage in his career to believe there is any market to pay him a lot?  Not exactly like he lit the world on fire with the Jets when he played last season. 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Claypool is an interesting comparison.  6-4 240 and ran a 4.42.  He has 32" arms and huge hands at 9 7/8" (compared to Vernon Davis at 8 3/4").  I would have loved to have Claypool last year.  Pitts is a better Chase Claypool. 

Sidenote.  Underrated Eagle I always liked....Luther Broughton.  Thought he was tremendously underused when he was here.

Haha...I was actually comparing Moore to Claypool.  Obviously 6'4" vs 5'7" sounds like a silly comparison, but both are players with unique movement ability (for their size) who need to be utilized properly in the NFL.  Polarizing prospects.  Some love, some hate.  And then when they end up with a team with a reputation for knowing what to look for and how to use it at the position, everyone says wow...I guess he was a good prospect.  And if they go to the wrong team, the NFL probably passes them by.  

That comparison probably stands for Pitts too, although his floor is excellent receiving TE.  

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

 

 

Right.  And even after running a 4.42 40 Claypool had a 3rd round grade from the scouting reports I read.  When the Steelers drafted him in the 2nd round both @ManuManu were surprised but basically said if the Steelers picked him there, watch him become a stud.  

 

So how does drafting a TE that likely doesn't run a 4.42 40 6th overall if his comp is a guy drafted in the 2nd round (with a 3rd round grade) make sense?

 

Claypool wasn't as fluid on tape as Pitts, seemed claypool was a bit straight line though I thought on tape when notre dame would throw him bubble screens he showed plenty of wiggle as he also did when steelers employed him similarly.

I'm not sure Pitts is explosive as claypool.

Pitts is pretty fluid and a smooth route runner but he's not got the same burst that claypool has.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

How delusional is he at this stage in his career to believe there is any market to pay him a lot?  Not exactly like he lit the world on fire with the Jets when he played last season. 

You might not want to hear this but TBH if it's anywhere near 5-6 mil per year, they would be much better suited in exploring a trade for Foles, imo.   I'd rather have Foles at 5-6 million per year (minus a late round pick) than Flacco at that price. 

How many times does it need to be said. Foles will never play another down as an Eagle (unless its a one day contract thing). Stoooooooopp it already, the ship has sailed. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Moore is a freak athlete. He's also 5'7.

I simultaneously want to draft him, but would be terrified to do so.

Can he return punts? 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

You might not want to hear this but TBH if it's anywhere near 5-6 mil per year, they would be much better suited in exploring a trade for Foles, imo.   I'd rather have Foles at 5-6 million per year (minus a late round pick) than Flacco at that price. 

 

I'd rather keep the draft pick and not bring in a guy who will create a media distraction the moment Hurts or a QB at 6 struggles. 

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Not to mention he has all the measurables it appears of an elite athlete. I think Bacarty is just one of those people who has to go against the popular opinion no matter what. 

That all being said, Pitts is not the right choice for us. Too many other issues to deal with. I think Cincy makes a ton of sense, as would Dallas if he drops to them. Cincy could address O line later in the draft, especially if Sewell is off the board.   

Said the same thing about cincy. If Sewell is gone it makes a ton of sense for pitts. They have Boyd and Higgins so they really don’t need strictly a wr. They could definitely use a tight end especially one they can play WR at times as well s utilize him in a multitude of ways. He makes more sense to me then chase going to cincy. 

i think there’s a strong chance that if pitts on the board for Dallas that jones would take him even with having the massive amounts of holes on defense. I kind of think if the panthers can’t move up and the qbs are off the board that they’d select pitts. 

31 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Claypool wasn't as fluid on tape as Pitts, seemed claypool was a bit straight line though I thought on tape when notre dame would throw him bubble screens he showed plenty of wiggle as he also did when steelers employed him similarly.

I'm not sure Pitts is explosive as claypool.

Pitts is pretty fluid and a smooth route runner but he's not got the same burst that claypool has.

I agree that he looks "fluid" on his tape/highlights and generally that's "ok" for a TE.  But when it comes to WR's, being "fluid" (especially on routes) isn't necessarily a good thing.  You want a guy that has the capability of "extreme cuts" on routes.  Being "fluid" on a route tree (for a WR) is generally viewed as running "lazy routes".  

That said, I haven't seen too much of his tape.  How does he look like when running aggressive routes?  Is he more "fluid" or can the guy "cut on a dime"?

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Can he return punts? 

Where is he projected to go?

4 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

Looking at the other teams in the division I think 2-3 wins total is a distinct possibility for next year. 

And that trend may continue if you have been following my updates to the salary cap I have been posting.

March 4th I started tracking this, and the Howie cultists kept talking about how it will be OK, we have 73 million in cap room in 2022, and had no understanding how contract restructuring would work.

As of March 4th, we had 73.3 million in cap room for 2022 and 136.8 million in cap room for 2023.

Today, March 23rd, before the full details of the Brooks restructure, we have 30.2 million in cap room for 2022, and 102.5 million in cap room for 2023.

Yes, you are reading that correctly.  In 3 weeks with the restructuring, Howie has taken 43.1 million off the 2022 cap, and 34.2 million off the 2023 cap.

2023, we have 42.5% of our cap allocated to the following players.  Hargrave, Kelce and Graham, there is no savings to release these players in 2023, and Graham if released adds 8.9 million to the dead cap hit.  This problem is not going to go away.

	Age in	Cap Hit
	2023
Slay	33	$23,035,000.00
Lane	34	$21,319,998.00
Brooks	35	$16,782,237.00
Hargrave	31	$11,986,000.00
Kelce	37	$9,069,000.00
Graham	36	$7,935,000.00
Elliott		$5,331,000.00
	Total	$95,458,235.00

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Said the same thing about cincy. If Sewell is gone it makes a ton of sense for pitts. They have Boyd and Higgins so they really don’t need strictly a wr. They could definitely use a tight end especially one they can play WR at times as well s utilize him in a multitude of ways. He makes more sense to me then chase going to cincy. 

i think there’s a strong chance that if pitts on the board for Dallas that jones would take him even with having the massive amounts of holes on defense. I kind of think if the panthers can’t move up and the qbs are off the board that they’d select pitts. 

If the QBs go, I think the Panthers go for Parsons actually. Though I saw reports he might be slipping due to off field concerns. Could easily see Carolina taking Pitts too if that's the case. I think if Pitts is on the board when the Cowboys are up, it's a near certainty he goes there. And frankly, much as I hate Dallas, that would be a great selection for them. Yes their defense is downright putrid, but man....that offense would be something else. Also makes moving on from Cooper and Gallup easier. 

55 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think Jets trade out of #2

I’ve been of that opinion now too. I don’t think they love Wilson or fields. If you don’t then maximize the value of the pick. Some team is going to love Wilson or fields and want to move up to get him. Frankly i think the eagles out of the 3 prospects after Lawrence would probably fall in love with Wilson the most. I think you got a team like Carolina that would go all in to move up to two. I also think Denver and SF are teams that would as well. Staying at 2 and not taking a QB the jets would be doing a disservice to the value of the pick cause of a team desperately wanting to move up for a QB 

If Pitts can play WR then why is he being listed as a TE which would drop his draft position?

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

If the QBs go, I think the Panthers go for Parsons actually. Though I saw reports he might be slipping due to off field concerns. Could easily see Carolina taking Pitts too if that's the case. I think if Pitts is on the board when the Cowboys are up, it's a near certainty he goes there. And frankly, much as I hate Dallas, that would be a great selection for them. Yes their defense is downright putrid, but man....that offense would be something else. Also makes moving on from Cooper and Gallup easier. 

Yup and i could see Jerry jones taking him as well going all in on offense. Their weapons would be really good for at least one season with cooper, Gallup, lamb and pitts. I’ve been of the opinion the Cowboys likely try to deal Cooper after this year when they can clear 16 mil off the cap in a deal and Cooper is still young enough to get some value in a deal. 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that trend may continue if you have been following my updates to the salary cap I have been posting.

March 4th I started tracking this, and the Howie cultists kept talking about how it will be OK, we have 73 million in cap room in 2022, and had no understanding how contract restructuring would work.

As of March 4th, we had 73.3 million in cap room for 2022 and 136.8 million in cap room for 2023.

Today, March 23rd, before the full details of the Brooks restructure, we have 30.2 million in cap room for 2022, and 102.5 million in cap room for 2023.

Yes, you are reading that correctly.  In 3 weeks with the restructuring, Howie has taken 43.1 million off the 2022 cap, and 34.2 million off the 2023 cap.

2023, we have 42.5% of our cap allocated to the following players.  Hargrave, Kelce and Graham, there is no savings to release these players in 2023, and Graham if released adds 8.9 million to the dead cap hit.  This problem is not going to go away.

	Age in	Cap Hit
	2023
Slay	33	$23,035,000.00
Lane	34	$21,319,998.00
Brooks	35	$16,782,237.00
Hargrave	31	$11,986,000.00
Kelce	37	$9,069,000.00
Graham	36	$7,935,000.00
Elliott		$5,331,000.00
	Total	$95,458,235.00

 

Basically it's extending how long we are gonna suck. I'd rather be really really bad this year and get past it then spread it out over multiple years. 

On Rondale Moore...

He has talent.  Not quite as "explosive" as I'd hope to see.  (I like seeing smaller/fast receivers burn people after a catch up the middle and I didn't see much of that on his highlight reel).   That said, he's listed at 5'9, looks like he could be a 3rd down back at the NFL level (decent build for his size) and a solid slot prospect, imo. He should also be able to return punts/kickoffs, so that adds value.  3rd round pick or later, maybe?.  (Not sure where he's projected to go).