Ok. I’m more interested since my guess is we’ll want tall, longer-armed CBs. 

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that trend may continue if you have been following my updates to the salary cap I have been posting.

March 4th I started tracking this, and the Howie cultists kept talking about how it will be OK, we have 73 million in cap room in 2022, and had no understanding how contract restructuring would work.

As of March 4th, we had 73.3 million in cap room for 2022 and 136.8 million in cap room for 2023.

Today, March 23rd, before the full details of the Brooks restructure, we have 30.2 million in cap room for 2022, and 102.5 million in cap room for 2023.

Yes, you are reading that correctly.  In 3 weeks with the restructuring, Howie has taken 43.1 million off the 2022 cap, and 34.2 million off the 2023 cap.

2023, we have 42.5% of our cap allocated to the following players.  Hargrave, Kelce and Graham, there is no savings to release these players in 2023, and Graham if released adds 8.9 million to the dead cap hit.  This problem is not going to go away.

	Age in	Cap Hit
	2023
Slay	33	$23,035,000.00
Lane	34	$21,319,998.00
Brooks	35	$16,782,237.00
Hargrave	31	$11,986,000.00
Kelce	37	$9,069,000.00
Graham	36	$7,935,000.00
Elliott		$5,331,000.00
	Total	$95,458,235.00

 

This is terrible. The sad thing is, I don't think there was another solution. The team had to be under the cap and releasing these players wouldn't have helped. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ok. I’m more interested since my guess is we’ll want tall, longer-armed CBs. 

I don't think he makes it past Dallas, tbh.

Minnesota's pro-day is April 1st.  If Bateman runs anywhere near his rumored 4.39 (laser timed) 40 he should be our 1st round pick, imo.  Trade back to around 15, get an addtional 2021 2nd and draft Bateman.  I haven't liked a WR out of college this much in years.  Elite level ceiling, imo.  (With a high floor as well), 

3 minutes ago, beto_eagles said:

This is terrible. The sad thing is, I don't think there was another solution. The team had to be under the cap and releasing these players wouldn't have helped. 

Kelce, Brooks, and Graham will most likely retired by then. With the new tv deal the cap will be a lot higher by then too.

23 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that trend may continue if you have been following my updates to the salary cap I have been posting.

March 4th I started tracking this, and the Howie cultists kept talking about how it will be OK, we have 73 million in cap room in 2022, and had no understanding how contract restructuring would work.

As of March 4th, we had 73.3 million in cap room for 2022 and 136.8 million in cap room for 2023.

Today, March 23rd, before the full details of the Brooks restructure, we have 30.2 million in cap room for 2022, and 102.5 million in cap room for 2023.

Yes, you are reading that correctly.  In 3 weeks with the restructuring, Howie has taken 43.1 million off the 2022 cap, and 34.2 million off the 2023 cap.

2023, we have 42.5% of our cap allocated to the following players.  Hargrave, Kelce and Graham, there is no savings to release these players in 2023, and Graham if released adds 8.9 million to the dead cap hit.  This problem is not going to go away.

	Age in	Cap Hit
	2023
Slay	33	$23,035,000.00
Lane	34	$21,319,998.00
Brooks	35	$16,782,237.00
Hargrave	31	$11,986,000.00
Kelce	37	$9,069,000.00
Graham	36	$7,935,000.00
Elliott		$5,331,000.00
	Total	$95,458,235.00

 

The long term thinking we’ve always admired is seemingly gone. This team is bad and, as was just shown, moves are being made to sacrifice the future. This is not good. It’s the actions of a desperate man who doesn’t want admit the inevitable... he’ll be fired soon.

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Ok. I’m more interested since my guess is we’ll want tall, longer-armed CBs. 

Could be tough to pass on at 6 (if he's there).  Even so, I would much rather trade back, get an additional 2nd pick and get a guy like Asante Samuel Jr.with the 2nd round pick.

 

Marcus_Mosher

 

I got 4.43 on Patrick Surtain's second run

8 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Marcus_Mosher

 

I got 4.43 on Patrick Surtain's second run

Wow.  That size PLUS speed at CB?  

Yep, could be tough to pass on at 6.  

For anyone who cares

 

11 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Kelce, Brooks, and Graham will most likely retired by then. With the new tv deal the cap will be a lot higher by then too.

2023 numbers are based on the expected cap with the new TV deal of 225 million.  You do know that if the cap goes up, it goes up for everyone, correct ??

Right now we are 22nd in 2022 cap space, 27th in 2023 cap space, and and 22nd in 2024 cap space.  We also have major cap hits tied to 32+ year old players, and dummy years for players who will not even be on the roster.

2024 shows we have 10 players under contract with a cap allocation of 58 million, 22% of the projected 256 million cap for that year.  I believe 5 of those are dummy years to spread out cap hits.

 

1 minute ago, metal said:

For anyone who cares

 

He went full Bob Ross

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Wow.  That size PLUS speed at CB?  

Yep, could be tough to pass on at 6.  

I agree

I am a believer in building back to front , and inside out , you get guys who can cover , and they will make pass rush look better

7 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Wow.  That size PLUS speed at CB?  

Yep, could be tough to pass on at 6.  

He's a nice prospect for sure and we need corners.  I just can't pass on an elite talent at WR looking at the rest of the NFCE.  Pitts/Chase/Waddle are my targets. 

39 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And that trend may continue if you have been following my updates to the salary cap I have been posting.

March 4th I started tracking this, and the Howie cultists kept talking about how it will be OK, we have 73 million in cap room in 2022, and had no understanding how contract restructuring would work.

As of March 4th, we had 73.3 million in cap room for 2022 and 136.8 million in cap room for 2023.

Today, March 23rd, before the full details of the Brooks restructure, we have 30.2 million in cap room for 2022, and 102.5 million in cap room for 2023.

Yes, you are reading that correctly.  In 3 weeks with the restructuring, Howie has taken 43.1 million off the 2022 cap, and 34.2 million off the 2023 cap.

2023, we have 42.5% of our cap allocated to the following players.  Hargrave, Kelce and Graham, there is no savings to release these players in 2023, and Graham if released adds 8.9 million to the dead cap hit.  This problem is not going to go away.

	Age in	Cap Hit
	2023
Slay	33	$23,035,000.00
Lane	34	$21,319,998.00
Brooks	35	$16,782,237.00
Hargrave	31	$11,986,000.00
Kelce	37	$9,069,000.00
Graham	36	$7,935,000.00
Elliott		$5,331,000.00
	Total	$95,458,235.00

 

What happens if some of those guys are traded at the deadline this year?  Do we escape that?

I'd trade any one of them and a 6th round pick for a 7th round pick if it saves that cap hit.

31 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I agree that he looks "fluid" on his tape/highlights and generally that's "ok" for a TE.  But when it comes to WR's, being "fluid" (especially on routes) isn't necessarily a good thing.  You want a guy that has the capability of "extreme cuts" on routes.  Being "fluid" on a route tree (for a WR) is generally viewed as running "lazy routes".  

That said, I haven't seen too much of his tape.  How does he look like when running aggressive routes?  Is he more "fluid" or can the guy "cut on a dime"?

 

https://i.imgur.com/XwEOu1p.mp4  <This wont' format for some reason but best example.  

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He's a nice prospect for sure and we need corners.  I just can't pass on an elite talent at WR looking at the rest of the NFCE.  Pitts/Chase/Waddle are my targets. 

Pitts and Chase (I sort of get although not top 5-10 picks, imo).  I still do not understand the fascination with Waddle.  And it's not just around here, so many scouting sites have this kid ranked top 5-10.  What has he done that Henry Ruggs didn't do?  His numbers are a fraction of Ruggs' numbers.  Ruggs had an "ok" transition to the NFL but still looks somewhat raw.  How will Waddle be any different? 

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

https://i.imgur.com/XwEOu1p.mp4  <This wont' format for some reason but best example.  

 

 

Solid route but nothing an average NFL receiver couldn't do, imo.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

https://i.imgur.com/XwEOu1p.mp4  <This wont' format for some reason but best example.  

 

 

Here is some more examples.  Really starting to warm up to the idea of taking him at 6.

 

 

For 170 pounds Smith is fearless , some of the positions he puts himself to make so many acrobatic catches is crazy. 
 

I think he ends up the top WO of the first rd WOs 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Solid route but nothing an average NFL receiver couldn't do, imo.

And number 0 has some slow heavy feet

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Pitts and Chase (I sort of get although not top 5-10 picks, imo).  I still do not understand the fascination with Waddle.  And it's not just around here, so many scouting sites have this kid ranked top 5-10.  What has he done that Henry Ruggs didn't do?  His numbers are a fraction of Ruggs' numbers.  Ruggs had an "ok" transition to the NFL but still looks somewhat raw.  How will Waddle be any different? 

Ruggs was much more of a straight line speed guy.  Go back and look at 2018 and 2019 Waddle highlights.  The guy is kind of like Dante Hall in terms of quickness.  Plus he has speed, immediately improves KR and PR.  He's just a ridiculous quick twitch + speed guy.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think Jets trade out of #2

And we go up for Lawrence

The Jets won't tip their plans to Corey Davis lol.