38 minutes ago, ShutDownDB said:

I don't disagree with that. If the JJAW pick had worked out maybe they don't draft Reagor then I could absolutely see them going with Smith or Chase this year. I just have a gut feeling that they trade back to mid-teens or so and get someone on offensive or defensive line.

JJAW and Reagor would both have been drafted because they fulfill different roles; JJAW the possession WR with size (replacing Jeffery) and Reagor the speed (replacing DJax)

I like Parsons but I don’t see drafting a LB at #6.  I like Sewell but LT is a premium position in a passing league, so he’ll likely be off the board.  A WR will likely be BPA there 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

No combine makes it far more likely guys who opt-out like Sewell and Chase drop down...

No combine makes no sense.  These players aren't near anyone else really during these drills... space it out a bit more, but let them work out under watchful eyes.   Frankly, the NFL combine is basically socially distant every year they've ever had it for fear of folks tipping their hands to others.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I trust what Mort is reporting is the truth. And that’s pretty bad considering we gave everyone else a head start. 

I foresee top 5 picks for a few years.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tell me... which of those guys was pivotal in winning a Super Bowl?

Johnson - great player - never sniffed the Super Bowl, barely sniffed the playoffs.
Jones - got to 1 Super Bowl - 4 receptions, 87 yards.
Evans - never sniffed a Super Bowl
Fitz - 1 Super Bowl appearance.   Had a great Super Bowl.  Still lost.

 

My point is, teams that draft in the top 10 almost never have the appropriate foundation to take a player at the WR position and make it matter.  Meanwhile, there is a MUCH longer list of top WRs that are taken later in the draft, and I think to a certain extent, the reason that those players are more successful is because the other more foundational pieces are in place.

like come on really? now it has to be track records and not about talent? like i really love to hear the excuses when this receiving core barely reaches 500 yards and less than 7 tds because you believe 7th round wrs have more of a chance of making this team a sb contender and not top 5 receivers.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

No combine makes it far more likely guys who opt-out like Sewell and Chase drop down...

No combine makes no sense.  These players aren't near anyone else really during these drills... space it out a bit more, but let them work out under watchful eyes.   Frankly, the NFL combine is basically socially distant every year they've ever had it for fear of folks tipping their hands to others.

35 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If they drafted Metcalf (or Mclaurin) instead of JJAW, then they aren’t absolutely forced to draft a speed WR in round 1.  
 

They could have taken a normal approach to the draft instead of force-picking Reagor.  
 

The other big miss was Dillard over Montez Sweat.  We could have the Sweat bookends at DE moving forward.  

I really hope dillard turns it around. I actually really liked him as a prospect. I liked Sweat as well, but I was not angry with dillard over sweat. They both have great physical profiles and tools.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No combine makes no sense.  

Yup.

They could also make the event last longer for safety reasons. Instead of 2 position groups a day, make it 1 position group a day. The NFL though pays for this, and the combine comes out of the owners' pockets (not the players).

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Pryor?   I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be Poyer. 

Agreed... and none of them ever got a Super Bowl... and only 1 ever even got there.

Yeah, it was an autocorrect. 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Do you trust this team to find and draft those players though?

I thought I've been exceedingly clear that this team needs a complete overhaul in the front office and coaching staff.   No, I don't trust this front office currently to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written under the heal.

29 minutes ago, metal said:

 

And why drag your feet?  Meet with DP, discuss his plans.  If they don't align get rid of him.  Get a head start on coaching search.  This isn't rocket science Jeff.  

4 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

How many consistent top 10 drafting teams ever make the SB? Not many. Point is you take the BPA even if its a WR. The best player helps your chances at winning a SB in the long term. If your throwing out positions and reaching for a player just cause someone says you dont draft that position with a top 10 pick is a losing move. Winning franchises normally dont have many top 10 picks to begin with so thats not the best question you should be asking. 

Cherry on top type of pick.  If the OL is crap, or your QB is crap, you can't get anywhere with a WR... he just withers on the vine.

 

I'm suggesting you trade back if the BPA on the board isn't worthy of a top 10 pick.  Let another team make that mistake.

17 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

JJAW is more suited to HVAC than to H-Back. 

You would have to be able to heat up to be an hvac

You need to be thinking about drafting the BPA to improve the team, not who can we take in the first round that will win us the SB next year. SB winning teams draft well in the mid and later rounds. We are not in the spot to be thinking SB yet, so BPA yes even if its a WR. 

 

If Doug Pederson's "vision" included Press Taylor as OC, then he 100% deserved to be fired. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Lurie is the problem.   The fact that there's not a decision in place yet for the HC staying or going is a MASSIVE problem.   Just shows that this is a rudderless sheep.

A lot of sheep with rudders out your way?

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

That's not a reason not to take a player though. Calvin Johnson went to Detroit. AJ Green went to Cincinnati. They were all-pros on terrible franchises. 

Pick elite players at premium positions in the top 10!

This team as currently put together looks a lot like Detroit and Cincinnati.   Detroit took 3 consecutive top 10 WRs... Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and then got it right with Calvin Johnson after taking a year off of drafting WRs in the top 10.  

 

I am on board with elite players at premium positions in the top 10.  WR isn't a premium position.  The Eagles have made it look like a premium position by not having competence there.  

I’m telling you...promote Duce to HC, collect a pair of 3rd round picks, and hire a real HC in 2022.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Cherry on top type of pick.  If the OL is crap, or your QB is crap, you can't get anywhere with a WR... he just withers on the vine.

 

I'm suggesting you trade back if the BPA on the board isn't worthy of a top 10 pick.  Let another team make that mistake.

See I dont think our Oline or QB is crap. I think our coaching is crap. I like our Oline when healthy. I even think we have some nice players as backups that showed it this year. I still believe in Carson with the right scheme and coaching. Do I think we are winning a SB next year with a new staff? No. But WRs in the top 10 have shown they can be dominate players, yes even on a crap team. Id rather take a guy in a WR spot I really believe can be great then fall back and take a guy who Im not so sure about. Not often we are in the top 10, So im taking again the BPA no matter what the position is. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This team as currently put together looks a lot like Detroit and Cincinnati.   Detroit took 3 consecutive top 10 WRs... Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and then got it right with Calvin Johnson after taking a year off of drafting WRs in the top 10.  

 

I am on board with elite players at premium positions in the top 10.  WR isn't a premium position.  The Eagles have made it look like a premium position by not having competence there.  

Tell that to the Buffalo Bills. 

 

Man, the Texans are somehow worse than we are.

5 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

I really hope dillard turns it around. I actually really liked him as a prospect. I liked Sweat as well, but I was not angry with dillard over sweat. They both have great physical profiles and tools.

Dillard just needs to be healthy.  Whatever people thought of his rookie season in the snaps he got, he was much better than Andrew Thomas with the Giants.  It takes time for a LT to reach their potential, and Dillard’s scouting report said he would likely need a year to develop.

I still see a competition at LT between Dillard and Mailata, with one being the swing OT next season.  Lane might be gone after next year, so the two of them might be the starting OT tandem in 2022

 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup.

They could also make the event last longer for safety reasons. Instead of 2 position groups a day, make it 1 position group a day. The NFL though pays for this, and the combine comes out of the owners' pockets (not the players).

Boo hoo.   NFL has been a cash cow for how long?    Just pass the cost on to the networks that will be airing it.  They'd love to have more content.... and the NFL Network dedicates a lot of time to it.  They can likely charge more for advertising during the Combine than their regular programming.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I thought I've been exceedingly clear that this team needs a complete overhaul in the front office and coaching staff.   No, I don't trust this front office currently to pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written under the heal.

Simple as that sir. Only then real change can occur.  This organization is in grave danger of becoming  my biggest fear. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This team as currently put together looks a lot like Detroit and Cincinnati.   Detroit took 3 consecutive top 10 WRs... Charles Rogers, Roy Williams, Mike Williams, and then got it right with Calvin Johnson after taking a year off of drafting WRs in the top 10.  

 

I am on board with elite players at premium positions in the top 10.  WR isn't a premium position.  The Eagles have made it look like a premium position by not having competence there.  

2/4 of those WR picks were busts.  1 was a true pro bowler and the other an all time great.  But all 4 were vastly superior prospects coming out to anything we have sniffed and to anyone in this draft.  
 

Tough argument for me to defend since hindsight showed Mike Williams and Charles Rodgers to be busts, but I’m still going to argue they were much better prospects than Chase and Smith.