9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Who cares?  As long as it doesn’t hinder extending players they want to keep (it won’t) and filling holes, which should decrease if they hit on draft choices.  I would much rather see the team built through the draft and on rookie contracts.  Free agents and even some second contracts seem to be hit and miss.  Comp picks can really help to build a team too.

The main reason it won't is because no one they have drafted in the past 3-4 years is good enough to command a top-tier second contract. Sanders? No. Sweat? Good player, but no. Pryor? Nope. The only one who might is Mailata if he continues to progress. So if there is one benefit in not drafting highly impactful players, it's that you don't have to worry about paying them. 

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Who cares?  As long as it doesn’t hinder extending players they want to keep (it won’t) and filling holes, which should decrease if they hit on draft choices.  I would much rather see the team built through the draft and on rookie contracts.  Free agents and even some second contracts seem to be hit and miss.  Comp picks can really help to build a team too.

I do.    That's $2M that they would have to spend on other players.  Add that to the dead money they are already on the books for with Alshon and Malik Jackson for 2022, because Howie had to push that money off to get under the cap for this year... and with Alshon, Malik, Flacco, and Harris the Eagles already have over $18M in dead cap hit for 2022.   And that's before they do anything else.  Generally speaking, teams that have that much dead cap space on their roster don't fair very well... and it will leak more issues into the future.  

 

But, there's the defense that 'they don't have any younger players to extend anyway'... and 'they aren't going to be ready to compete in 2022 anyway, so they can just waste the cap space in 2022 and spend in free agency in 2023'... both are actually indictments on Howie and his ineptitude when it comes to drafting.  So, he can 'afford' to throw away cap space money for 2021 and 2022 because he's watered down the roster with horrible talent while simultaneously digging a giant cap hole.  

Brilliant!

 

 

 

@SlaterNFL

Mike McCarthy says planning on virtual offseason because that’s only guidance from league so far.

 

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

We are wasting $34 million this year on Carson Wentz.  I'm OK if there might be $2 million for Flacco next year.

Sure.   I just burned a $100 bill.   Why not burn another $5?   No big deal.  

 

 

The point is that Howie has learned nothing from what he's done over the past 3 years in signing old, broken down players to bigger money contracts than they should have gotten.   This isn't about Flacco or Wentz.   This is really about the spending on guys like Malik Jackson, Alshon Jeffery, Desean Jackson, trading assets for an aging Darius Slay, then giving him a new contract on top... or making 30 year olds the highest paid players at their position in the history of the NFL.   

Howie is a shopaholic, and he needs to have someone take away his access to the credit cards.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.   I just burned a $100 bill.   Why not burn another $5?   No big deal.  

 

 

The point is that Howie has learned nothing from what he's done over the past 3 years in signing old, broken down players to bigger money contracts than they should have gotten.   This isn't about Flacco or Wentz.   This is really about the spending on guys like Malik Jackson, Alshon Jeffery, Desean Jackson, trading assets for an aging Darius Slay, then giving him a new contract on top... or making 30 year olds the highest paid players at their position in the history of the NFL.   

Howie is a shopaholic, and he needs to have someone take away his access to the credit cards.

I get it and I don't like it.  I was just trying to point out there are bigger things to get upset about.  But yes, it definitely sucks that Howie continues to do the same thing over and over again. 

23 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Who cares?  As long as it doesn’t hinder extending players they want to keep (it won’t) and filling holes, which should decrease if they hit on draft choices.  I would much rather see the team built through the draft and on rookie contracts.  Free agents and even some second contracts seem to be hit and miss.  Comp picks can really help to build a team too.

How much would a 5th round draft picks contract be?

4 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

 

 

@SlaterNFL

Mike McCarthy says planning on virtual offseason because that’s only guidance from league so far.

 

Makes sense: https://covid19-projections.com/path-to-herd-immunity/

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.   I just burned a $100 bill.   Why not burn another $5?   No big deal.  

 

 

The point is that Howie has learned nothing from what he's done over the past 3 years in signing old, broken down players to bigger money contracts than they should have gotten.   This isn't about Flacco or Wentz.   This is really about the spending on guys like Malik Jackson, Alshon Jeffery, Desean Jackson, trading assets for an aging Darius Slay, then giving him a new contract on top... or making 30 year olds the highest paid players at their position in the history of the NFL.   

Howie is a shopaholic, and he needs to have someone take away his access to the credit cards.

This season there is no reason to get upset at Howie over Joe Flocken Flacco

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

How much would a 5th round draft picks contract be?

Usually about $700K cap hit

Fair to criticize Flacco signing.
Unfair to criticize use of void years.

41 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Most teams are borrowing from 2022. Flacco overreaction is laughable.

Yep.  It's the same few that just hate Howie, no matter what he does or how much it makes sense.  Of course, you don't hear about how he basically made the cap work for the 2021 season (when the same people were saying we would need to cut 3/4 of the team).

 

The irony is that although some of Howie's moves may not have worked out (in terms of player-personnel) his cap management has been among the best in the NFL.  AND STILL IS. 

 

3 minutes ago, greend said:

This season there is no reason to get upset at Howie over Joe Flocken Flacco

The fact that this Flacco signing is one of the hot-button topics being talked about on here represents the state of affairs for this team. It's a bottom of the barrel roster, bottom tier run from a management perspective, and for the second season in a row, they're relying on a first round pick to come in and basically save the offense. Which really isn't fair for a rookie, but that's just how it goes. I didn't think the expectations for Reagor were fair last year, even though I expected him to have a better season than he had. And those expectations will be twice as much for Pitts, Chase, or whoever they draft. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I get it and I don't like it.  I was just trying to point out there are bigger things to get upset about.  But yes, it definitely sucks that Howie continues to do the same thing over and over again. 

The Wentz deal is water under the bridge.  They screwed that up royally, but did what they did.   The bigger issue, is that the guy that built this mess continues to act n a way that continues to spend stupidly on aging players.    (And don't look at Brandon Graham's deal... he'll be $10M dead next year too.   Making over $28M dead already to start 2022.)

4 minutes ago, greend said:

This season there is no reason to get upset at Howie over Joe Flocken Flacco

It's not about Flacco.  Its about the fact that Howie's behavior hasn't changed... not even a little bit.   And as long as Howie remains in charge, and continues to do stupid stuff like this, then there's no reason for hope for the future.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Yep.  It's the same few that just hate Howie, no matter what he does or how much it makes sense.  Of course, you don't hear about how he basically made the cap work for the 2021 season (when the same people were saying we would need to cut 3/4 of the team) and how he already shaved almost 60 million off the 2022 cap (when the same people were saying 2022 would be worse than 2021).

 

The irony is that although some of Howie's moves may not have worked out (in terms of player-personnel) his cap management has been among the best in the NFL.  AND STILL IS. 

 

Go ahead.  Explain how it makes sense to overpay for Flacco. I'll wait.

  

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's not about Flacco.  Its about the fact that Howie's behavior hasn't changed... not even a little bit.   And as long as Howie remains in charge, and continues to do stupid stuff like this, then there's no reason for hope for the future.

Go ahead.  Explain how it makes sense to overpay for Flacco. I'll wait.

  

Because he's not being overpaid.  3.5 mil for a veteran backup QB (who had interest from at least 1 other team) is about right.

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few days, the Eagles signed a LB.  

 

This is based on looking at the roster, recognizing that they have a desperate need to fill in some depth at LB and ST, and that the free agent period is open.   

Cool.

Theres a difference between a cranky dude in a message board saying it and an NFL exec privy to negotiations on the open market saying it, right?

38 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just thinking about where the best spot would be for them... and whether or not planting a tomato or three amongst that bed year to year would be worth it (supposedly, tomatoes help to repel asparagus beetles, while the asparagus as supposed to repel nematodes that harm tomatoes).  

Works. My mother did that.  Soapy water also helps with squash bugs, slugs and tomato worms.  Just put in a spray bottle.  

41 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Who cares?  As long as it doesn’t hinder extending players they want to keep (it won’t) and filling holes, which should decrease if they hit on draft choices.  I would much rather see the team built through the draft and on rookie contracts.  Free agents and even some second contracts seem to be hit and miss.  Comp picks can really help to build a team too.

I’m not explaining why it matters for the 10th time. 

 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's not about Flacco.  Its about the fact that Howie's behavior hasn't changed... not even a little bit.   And as long as Howie remains in charge, and continues to do stupid stuff like this, then there's no reason for hope for the future.

Go ahead.  Explain how it makes sense to overpay for Flacco. I'll wait.

  

C'mon man 3.5 for an experienced qb isn't really over paying.

If Flacco getting $3.5M is our biggest problem . . .

Cap will go up $30-40M next year, so they can eat all that dead money, who they gonna give big money to? How many FAs are they gonna sign?

By 2023, most of the dead money will be gone.

After seeing Trent William's deal (who missed the 2019 season), those extensions aren't unreasonable, and teams will go even crazier next year.

Thought this was pretty interesting on Baltimore's end. This is the second receiver along with JuJu where a guy has turned down more money from Baltimore to stay put with their current team. Baltimore's offense is such a black hole for receivers. No one wants to block for the zone read there and no one is going to take a one year prove it deal there, have Lamar/Roman kill their stats, and in turn kill their value in getting a bigger deal next season when the cap goes back up. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not explaining why it matters for the 10th time. 

"We want to hear them again"

 

34 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 the Eagles already have over $18M in dead cap hit for 2022. 

Add to that Howie took 46.5 million off the 2022 cap number with all the restructuring he did to get under the cap this year.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

The League hasn't been an RB centered game since the 50s.  QB has been the most important aspect of the game in the Super Bowl era.  The running teams that won in the 80s and 90s had dominant o-lines and a mixture of players at RB.  The exception was the Cowboys to the extent Emmitt Smith was their lead back.  It is not like he was some dynamic runner.  He was an efficient RB behind a dominant O-line.  The Giants and Redskins had decent RB's but their real strength on offense was the line play.  

The 50s I'm not that old😉

Yup all those 90s NFC east teams that won super bowls had strong OL.

Meanwhile the eagles were leading the league in sacks taken.

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