3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So many crossing routes, drags, horizontal stretch. We need more of that. 

It's beautiful 🤩

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Seems like there's nor a clear consensus on who is better. Don't know if that's because both are really good

I believe it's in large part because Smith played and Chase sat out.  Last year, the answer was Chase > Smith by a significant margin.  In fact, I'd say he was likely going to be considered the top WR in the draft had he been eligible last year.  BUT... then Chase say out, and Smith won the Heisman.  So.. some will knock Chase for not playing... some will elevate Smith for the crazy stats.   But, the stats have to be taken with a bit of a grain of salt... as Chase wasn't the only player to sit while his team played.  

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So many crossing routes, drags, horizontal stretch. We need more of that. 

We'll need a new coach.  Doug talked about it... but never did it.  

And... this playoff game stands as the 3rd straight year showing why building your team around a running QB is a terrible plan.   If your goal is to win regular season games, then it can work.   If the goal is post-season success... I've yet to see it work... ever.

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So many crossing routes, drags, horizontal stretch. We need more of that. 

7 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

That's what your 1st Round picks should be is a player that can contribute right away in a meaningful way.

So how far do you want to trade back to select Wyatt Davis?  If Kelce returns you’re looking at another first round draft pick that would sit on the bench behind Brooks and Seumalo — unless you prefer Seumalo becomes a backup.

I got a lot of pushback on this when I asked this a month ago: How attractive is this job relative to the other HC openings?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I got a lot of pushback on this when I asked this a month ago: How attractive is this job relative to the other HC openings?

a coach could win quick in this terrible division while you build your team

Dang Dennis Kelly starting at RT. Howie got hosed on that deal as well. I wonder what Dorial is doing these days.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I got a lot of pushback on this when I asked this a month ago: How attractive is this job relative to the other HC openings?

I don't think it's attractive at all. Not sure where I'd rank it in the league but it's in the bottom half with Howie at GM

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And... this playoff game stands as the 3rd straight year showing why building your team around a running QB is a terrible plan.   If your goal is to win regular season games, then it can work.   If the goal is post-season success... I've yet to see it work... ever.

Should probably wait until the game is over before saying this lol

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

So how far do you want to trade back to select Wyatt Davis?  If Kelce returns you’re looking at another first round draft pick that would sit on the bench behind Brooks and Seumalo — unless you prefer Seumalo becomes a backup.

And that's why we need answers to Kelce and Brooks.  It helps to make the best decision.  And Seumalo, though he generally has gotten a mediocre rep from the majority of posters here (though JR has mostly praised him) is probably a top half starting OG, but if Davis is the better player and beats him out in camp then you've upgraded your OL.  Nothing wrong with that.

 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

So how far do you want to trade back to select Wyatt Davis?  If Kelce returns you’re looking at another first round draft pick that would sit on the bench behind Brooks and Seumalo — unless you prefer Seumalo becomes a backup.

You can go back as far as 12, and I'd still feel safe.   Yes, Seumalo would come off the field, and work as a swing OG/C and be the first off the bench.  OR after having drafted Davis... I would look to trade Brooks if he proves he can be healthy, because his contract is going to blow up and he's now got 2 blown Achilles.  Trading him saves $2.3M and gets his costs off the cap moving forward allowing the new GM the chance to build his core of players, not be tied to Howie's aging, extremely expensive core.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I trust what Mort is reporting is the truth. And that’s pretty bad considering we gave everyone else a head start. 

Yup, but at this point everything this team seems to do is wrong, so I'm not surprised by anything anymore 

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't think it's attractive at all. Not sure where I'd rank it in the league but it's in the bottom half with Howie at GM

Should probably wait until the game is over before saying this lol

I think his point is still valid. Running QBs have won playoff games here and there, but it's not usually sustained success.

 

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Should probably wait until the game is over before saying this lol

Why?   I said it before the game started.  I stand by it.  Even winning 1 playoff game... wouldn't be 'success' for the blueprint.

 

Interesting I would love Daboll

This is a problem: 

Lamar Jackson has 4 completions and 4 rushing attempts.   We can monitor this all game... but that's a problem in the playoffs.

Just now, phil77 said:

Interesting I would love Daboll

So, the Eagles are going to hire John Fox, and he'll be the OC himself.  Duce will move to DC.  Sounds about right.

1 minute ago, Green_Guinness said:

And that's why we need answers to Kelce and Brooks.  It helps to make the best decision.  And Seumalo, though he generally has gotten a mediocre rep from the majority of posters here (though JR has mostly praised him) is probably a top half starting OG, but if Davis is the better player and beats him out in camp then you've upgraded your OL.  Nothing wrong with that.

 

You’re correct in that.  The Eagles have the right to approach Kelce and ask if he’s in for next season before the draft — in all likelihood he’s only playing one more season at a maximum, anyway.  If the intention is to move Seumalo to C then I’m perfectly happy to draft Wyatt Davis.  
 

If, however, the Eagles feel it’s better in the long term to leave Seumalo at LG — then drafting a C becomes the priority on the OL

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I got a lot of pushback on this when I asked this a month ago: How attractive is this job relative to the other HC openings?

Money. $$$. Lurie pays well. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

You’re correct in that.  The Eagles have the right to approach Kelce and ask if he’s in for next season before the draft — in all likelihood he’s only playing one more season at a maximum, anyway.  If the intention is to move Seumalo to C then I’m perfectly happy to draft Wyatt Davis.  
 

If, however, the Eagles feel it’s better in the long term to leave Seumalo at LG — then drafting a C becomes the priority on the OL

Which still wouldn't preclude drafting Davis anyway.  Brooks is not the long-term answer at RG anymore either.  He's currently 31, and his cap number goes up dramatically starting this coming year ($14+M), and goes up to $17M the year after for the next 3.

9 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Dang Dennis Kelly starting at RT. Howie got hosed on that deal as well. I wonder what Dorial is doing these days.

I heard he went back to school to become an aerospace engineer(aka rocket scientist) and is now working for NASA helping build a new Death Star, I mean space station that will replace our Earth when the aliens take over. 

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Money. $$$. Lurie pays well. 

So do other owners. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I got a lot of pushback on this when I asked this a month ago: How attractive is this job relative to the other HC openings?

Well there's that whole thing about 32 NFL HC jobs in the world and masses of coaches climbing all over eachother to get one.  And there's truth to that.  

And there are also 2-3 belles of the ball each year...some destined to flop anyway, sure.  

But for those in demand, there is no way they would choose this situation.  1. Howie pulls the strings on the vision for the team.  2. Both the owner and the GM will frame the HC as the fall guy if the plan doesn't work.  

 

3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I heard he went back to school to become an aerospace engineer(aka rocket scientist) and is now working for NASA helping build a new Death Star, I mean space station that will replace our Earth when the aliens take over. 

So he's been busy.

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I got a lot of pushback on this when I asked this a month ago: How attractive is this job relative to the other HC openings?

Again, I think this is an indictment on Doug and the process they used to hire him.

The HC and the coaching staff should dictate the 53-man roster coming out of training camp.  They tell the GM what the depth chart is and where the deficiencies are.  The GM’s job is to adequately address those deficiencies in FA, the draft, and trades.

There should be no decisions made during the season in regards to players in uniform each week that are made above the head coach level.  Any worthwhile HC candidate will get that as a guarantee before accepting the job.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

So do other owners. 

But we have a side business as a QB factory...