So seriously... when’s QB1 coming home? Ridiculous our SB MVP isn’t back yet. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Ha you’re like arguing with a woman so I’m just done with you. 

So excited for my next Chipotle experience!  

 

1 minute ago, blindside said:

Cool. I don’t get your logic, so it works out for everyone

My logic is if the Eagles drafted a LT at pick 12 they wouldn’t sit him behind Dillard or Mailata. That’s all. Neither (as far as we know right now) are at the same level that JP was at in 2019 even with his injuries. 

26 minutes ago, hputenis said:

This is exactly what my friend texted me about this draft, and I agree.  It's a huge risk there.  He was in front of Surtain and Horn a couple weeks ago too.  My optimism if the Eagles ever drafted him would be that this is not an achilles.  Even though it's a back injury, I think this guy might end up being worth it.  

Back surgery is a really big deal...the long term consequences are comparable to an achilles, and definitely much worse than an acl/mcl.

You can have a very quick recovery after microdiscectomy, although almost all strength training for this entire offseason is shot for him.  That’s because any straining runs a risk of re-herniation.

He apparently has 2 disc bulges...which basically means he’s got a bad back at 21, rather than a fluke herniated disc fragment.  Surgery always alters biomechanics of the spine, so the chances of another disc going bad for him sooner rather than later are exceptionally high.

 

IMO, he’s Sidney Jones.  Slam dunk first round cb with a major injury problem.  Maybe you get lucky.  But he gets docked a full round.

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

So excited for my next Chipotle experience!  

 

No hot red sauce definitely helps! 

19 minutes ago, hputenis said:

In the unique scenario where Slater falls, and Howie drafts him at 12, you don't think they'd start him at LG over Seumalo?  

As I read my last sentence....any normal team would absolutely do that.  But you're probably right.  The Eagles would absolutely let their #12 overall pick stud LT that would be an instant upgrade at LG sit the bench to observe Seumalo's hair at LG.  

They and others is a big distinction here. I think they are committed to Seumalo especially by restructuring him over Cox/Johnson. I think the easiest path to starting on the O-line this year is LT and I’m not even sure thats a lock. Just don’t see how they take an O-line at this point. Sewell? Sure. Anyone else? Not really. 

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Back surgery is a really big deal...the long term consequences are comparable to an achilles, and definitely much worse than an acl/mcl.

You can have a very quick recovery after microdiscectomy, although almost all strength training for this entire offseason is shot for him.  That’s because any straining runs a risk of re-herniation.

He apparently has 2 disc bulges...which basically means he’s got a bad back at 21, rather than a fluke herniated disc fragment.  Surgery always alters biomechanics of the spine, so the chances of another disc going bad for him sooner rather than later are exceptionally high.

 

IMO, he’s Sidney Jones.  Slam dunk first round cb with a major injury problem.  Maybe you get lucky.  But he gets docked a full round.

Yeah I'm out on him then (unless we have a different GM).  I trust your diagnosis.  

Would you say he purposely skipped this surgery a year ago, sat out his senior year, and thought it would go unnoticed?  

 

The way specialists are supposed to interact with GMs/personnel people is somewhat oversimplified by the media.  It’s not a binary situation where players are cleared or they fail physicals and are taken off draft boards (or at least shouldn’t be...can’t speak for all teams).

On rare occasions, teams are told that a player should not be cleared to safely play football.  Maurice Hurst’s heart condition, Mike Patterson’s AVM...note that both were cleared by certain teams and did play again.

Usually they just wash their hands and say they can’t vouch for the player’s ongoing health.  When the medical team is afforded a little more of a voice, they’ll try to quantify the risk and translate it to the draft...ie ‘he has value x rounds below whatever you have him graded at as a healthy player.”

I'm in the minority here but I think the O-Line is the least of this teams issues.  2020 sucked but one good thing is that every young lineman got a tasted of the NFL and Stoutland got to see all of them in game situations to see their strengths and weaknesses.

Finding a center in the middle rounds is important.  I'm perfectly fine with Herbig, Driscoll, Mailata as 3 young starters/swing players on the line.  Dillard needs to come to camp strong and ready to learn both tackle positions.   He needs to prove he is a legit NFL tackle.  

Brooks is here to stay.  Lane is here to stay for a few more years and if his ankle is clean, I'm not worried.  If healthy, he can lock down RT for another 5 years.  

I'd prefer not to see OL until round 4 TBH.

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

 

Thank you for what seems like a lifetime ago!  

1 minute ago, hputenis said:

Yeah I'm out on him then (unless we have a different GM).  I trust your diagnosis.  

Would you say he purposely skipped this surgery a year ago, sat out his senior year, and thought it would go unnoticed?  

 

He could still return and have a long, productive career...and be an impact rookie.  It’s just unpredictable with spine surgery (versus the very frequently traveled paths to recovery for orthopedic injuries)...and his odds take a big hit.

Herniated discs are tricky.  50% resolve on their own after a couple months.  Avoiding surgery to take it out means the structural integrity of the spine is better preserved.  So unlike a torn acl that absolutely needs surgery at some point, there can be a wait/see and hesitation to pull the trigger on surgery for a herniated disc.  A 21 year old with more than one herniated disc who needs surgery on a symptomatic one basically has a >90% chance of requiring more back surgery in his lifetime.  Now, that may be 10 years down the road after a probowl career.  Or it could be before his rookie contract wraps up.  We aren’t good at predicting it.    

29 minutes ago, hputenis said:

In the unique scenario where Slater falls, and Howie drafts him at 12, you don't think they'd start him at LG over Seumalo?  

As I read my last sentence....any normal team would absolutely do that.  But you're probably right.  The Eagles would absolutely let their #12 overall pick stud LT that would be an instant upgrade at LG sit the bench to observe Seumalo's hair at LG.  

Yes, they would.  Slater is a damn good lineman.  Seumalo becomes your backup at interior OL.  Again, the age/injuries on OL have killed this team over the past couple of years.  That need to get fixed no matter who is behind center.  

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm in the minority here but I think the O-Line is the least of this teams issues.  2020 sucked but one good thing is that every young lineman got a tasted of the NFL and Stoutland got to see all of them in game situations to see their strengths and weaknesses.

Finding a center in the middle rounds is important.  I'm perfectly fine with Herbig, Driscoll, Mailata as 3 young starters/swing players on the line.  Dillard needs to come to camp strong and ready to learn both tackle positions.   He needs to prove he is a legit NFL tackle.  

Brooks is here to stay.  Lane is here to stay for a few more years and if his ankle is clean, I'm not worried.  If healthy, he can lock down RT for another 5 years.  

I'd prefer not to see OL until round 4 TBH.

I’d be shocked if they started 10 more games together... 

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm in the minority here but I think the O-Line is the least of this teams issues.  2020 sucked but one good thing is that every young lineman got a tasted of the NFL and Stoutland got to see all of them in game situations to see their strengths and weaknesses.

Finding a center in the middle rounds is important.  I'm perfectly fine with Herbig, Driscoll, Mailata as 3 young starters/swing players on the line.  Dillard needs to come to camp strong and ready to learn both tackle positions.   He needs to prove he is a legit NFL tackle.  

Brooks is here to stay.  Lane is here to stay for a few more years and if his ankle is clean, I'm not worried.  If healthy, he can lock down RT for another 5 years.  

I'd prefer not to see OL until round 4 TBH.

If they take a G/C as high as round 2 I’m fine with it. We all know how much an elite OL impacts a team and particularly (hopefully some point in the near future) the QB. 

Forget Nick, let’s get the true QB1 back

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm in the minority here but I think the O-Line is the least of this teams issues.  2020 sucked but one good thing is that every young lineman got a tasted of the NFL and Stoutland got to see all of them in game situations to see their strengths and weaknesses.

Finding a center in the middle rounds is important.  I'm perfectly fine with Herbig, Driscoll, Mailata as 3 young starters/swing players on the line.  Dillard needs to come to camp strong and ready to learn both tackle positions.   He needs to prove he is a legit NFL tackle.  

Brooks is here to stay.  Lane is here to stay for a few more years and if his ankle is clean, I'm not worried.  If healthy, he can lock down RT for another 5 years.  

I'd prefer not to see OL until round 4 TBH.

IDK Herbig and Driscoll are just average players at this point.  Yeah, they have some game and maybe they progress.  Mailata showed that progresss and played pretty good.  But, you can't rule out an anchor on the OL for the next decade for them imo.  

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'm in the minority here but I think the O-Line is the least of this teams issues.  2020 sucked but one good thing is that every young lineman got a tasted of the NFL and Stoutland got to see all of them in game situations to see their strengths and weaknesses.

Finding a center in the middle rounds is important.  I'm perfectly fine with Herbig, Driscoll, Mailata as 3 young starters/swing players on the line.  Dillard needs to come to camp strong and ready to learn both tackle positions.   He needs to prove he is a legit NFL tackle.  

Brooks is here to stay.  Lane is here to stay for a few more years and if his ankle is clean, I'm not worried.  If healthy, he can lock down RT for another 5 years.  

I'd prefer not to see OL until round 4 TBH.

I think OL is the biggest reason (just eclipsing WR/QB) the team sucks right now, but also a position with some interesting potential solutions moving forward.

I very much disagree on Lane/Brooks, who I think should be written off.  I bet they play fewer than 16 games together, combined, ever again.  Forget just 2021.  I’d expect the right side of our OL to go through 5 permutations by week 10.

But if one still believes in Dillard...those are potential bookends in Dillard/Mailata.  Thats a big start.  I’m not sure about Driscoll...liked the pick, but he endured a new injury every single time he had extended snaps...and got pushed around a lot.  
 

Herbig is just an OG version of Hank Fraley.  You can get by surrounding him with 4 quality OL, but he’s going to be part of the problem and a weak link as the starter.  

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yes, they would.  Slater is a damn good lineman.  Seumalo becomes your backup at interior OL.  Again, the age/injuries on OL have killed this team over the past couple of years.  That need to get fixed no matter who is behind center.  

I couldn't agree more, but if the best player available (likely to be a corner or WR) is staring you in the face at 12, don't you take that guy?  We need both.  

Matt Pryor had a horrific year.  I know everyone thinks Stoutland is a perfect coach who maximizes the talent of every player he sets eyes on, but I think Pryor might have ended up a different player if he had just sat at RG and learned that one position. 
 

The guy has bounced from LT to LG to RG to RT...and he’s never been the type of technician or Swiss Army knife type OL who should be asked to do that.  I don’t know if hed be a starter, but I’m not convinced he’s been maximized.  He had a lot to work on when he came into the league and probably should have been parked at RG.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Matt Pryor had a horrific year.  I know everyone thinks Stoutland is a perfect coach who maximizes the talent of every player he sets eyes on, but I think Pryor might have ended up a different player if he had just sat at RG and learned that one position. 
 

The guy has bounced from LT to LG to RG to RT...and he’s never been the type of technician or Swiss Army knife type OL who should be asked to do that.  I don’t know if hed be a starter, but I’m not convinced he’s been maximized.  He had a lot to work on when he came into the league and probably should have been parked at RG.

Most likely because the previous coaches had no idea how to maximize their potential.  I'm not convinced that Pryor is total garbage.  On another team, he's probably at least average against the run.  

**I'm not saying it's because of Stoutland either.  I think he's the man, but he hasn't had much choice the past 3 years.  

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I couldn't agree more, but if the best player available (likely to be a corner or WR) is staring you in the face at 12, don't you take that guy?  We need both.  

I guess it just depends who the highest rated player is on the board.  Man, and we could use an upgrade at a variety of other positions CB, WR, LB and DE.  

But, if we stay at 12, I like the guy that erased Chase Young in college manning the backside.  Watch that tape. There are some reps where Slater stonewalls him with one freaking hand!    

I would go Slater at 12 (if he is there) and try to move up for Bateman.  

6 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I couldn't agree more, but if the best player available (likely to be a corner or WR) is staring you in the face at 12, don't you take that guy?  We need both.  

I’m on board with Parsons if he’s the BPA. Need players with huge upside. Don’t care that much about the position. 
 

The most ticked off I’ve been about a draft pick in recent years was Barnett. Yes he’s a player at a high value position but a low ceiling player. At 14 the pick was bad. 

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Matt Pryor had a horrific year.  I know everyone thinks Stoutland is a perfect coach who maximizes the talent of every player he sets eyes on, but I think Pryor might have ended up a different player if he had just sat at RG and learned that one position. 
 

The guy has bounced from LT to LG to RG to RT...and he’s never been the type of technician or Swiss Army knife type OL who should be asked to do that.  I don’t know if hed be a starter, but I’m not convinced he’s been maximized.  He had a lot to work on when he came into the league and probably should have been parked at RG.

I just think he’s on the Eagles because they’re obsessed with his size. I think he’s listed at 6’7 332? If he were 6’4 305 he’d be coaching Hs football.