One of the nice parts of not picking top 10 (and being compensated with a 1st round pick to drop out of it) is that you have a little more leeway to go BPA.  That really just isn’t acceptable at #6.  You just don’t feel good taking anyone besides a qb, LT, hyper elite WR, or hyper elite DE there.  
 

At 12?  There’s a little more flexibility for happiness.

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I just think he’s on the Eagles because they’re obsessed with his size. I think he’s listed at 6’7 332? If he were 6’4 305 he’d be coaching Hs football. 

You might be right, but I think he has moved well enough in spurts to show that the raw ability to move well for a RG is there.  
 

He reminds me a bit of Stacey Andrews, probably not as athletic though.  Seems like he could have put it together better, but just gets beat.  

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I guess it just depends who the highest rated player is on the board.  Man, and we could use an upgrade at a variety of other positions CB, WR, LB and DE.  

But, if we stay at 12, I like the guy that erased Chase Young in college manning the backside.  Watch that tape. There are some reps where Slater stonewalls him with one freaking hand!    

I would go Slater at 12 (if he is there) and try to move up for Bateman.  

I wouldn't be upset if this was the pick.  I saw when he destroyed Chase Young, and it is enticing.  Honestly now that I think about it, it's probably gonna happen.  😂

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m on board with Parsons if he’s the BPA. Need players with huge upside. Don’t care that much about the position. 
 

The most ticked off I’ve been about a draft pick in recent years was Barnett. Yes he’s a player at a high value position but a low ceiling player. At 14 the pick was bad. 

I'd lose an eyelash if the Eagles drafted Parsons in the 1st.  I'm only typing this bc I want it to happen!  Let's go Chipotle!  

15 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Matt Pryor had a horrific year.  I know everyone thinks Stoutland is a perfect coach who maximizes the talent of every player he sets eyes on, but I think Pryor might have ended up a different player if he had just sat at RG and learned that one position. 
 

The guy has bounced from LT to LG to RG to RT...and he’s never been the type of technician or Swiss Army knife type OL who should be asked to do that.  I don’t know if hed be a starter, but I’m not convinced he’s been maximized.  He had a lot to work on when he came into the league and probably should have been parked at RG.

Matt Pryor is trash and should not be on the team next year.  Regarding your previous post, aren't we stuck with Lane and Brooks for at least 2 more years?  That's my reasoning for saying go with them.  The line was trash in 2020 but so much of it was due to injuries.  Jamon Brown and Matt Pryor made the line look worse than they probably were.  

 

Just watched some more Nico Collins highlights.  He's Alshon Jeffery coming out of SC.  I would be more than happy if they took Amari Rogers and Nico Collins with both 3rds.  One quick as lightning WR and one above the rim X.  

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m on board with Parsons if he’s the BPA. Need players with huge upside. Don’t care that much about the position. 
 

The most ticked off I’ve been about a draft pick in recent years was Barnett. Yes he’s a player at a high value position but a low ceiling player. At 14 the pick was bad. 

Draft picks that made me flip out (full honestly here):

Mike Patterson, Matt Mccoy, Bryan Smith, Brandon Graham, Marcus Smith, JJAW, Barnett, Hurts, Josh Huff, Danny Watkins, Freddie Mitchell.

Couple good ones in there.  

2 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I'd lose an eyelash if the Eagles drafted Parsons in the 1st.  I'm only typing this bc I want it to happen!  Let's go Chipotle!  

Parsons only works if they have a plan on how to use him.  I don’t want to overreact to one fluke SB game where a tragedy probably had more to do with derailing KC’s offense than TB’s linebackers.  The position has been devalued for a reason.

Now, if they want to build their defense around Parsons and think they can find ways to disrupt passing games by rushing the QB in creative ways and as an edge rusher, then I’m all ears.  

If he’s just going to be a massive upgrade over Nate Gerry, then forget about it.  

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Draft picks that made me flip out (full honestly here):

Mike Patterson, Matt Mccoy, Bryan Smith, Brandon Graham, Marcus Smith, JJAW, Barnett, Hurts, Josh Huff, Danny Watkins, Freddie Mitchell.

Couple good ones in there.  

It’s baffling that they saw anything at all in McCoy and Watkins.

Just now, eagle45 said:

Parsons only works if they have a plan on how to use him.  I don’t want to overreact to one fluke SB game where a tragedy probably had more to do with derailing KC’s offense than TB’s linebackers.  The position has been devalued for a reason.

Now, if they want to build their defense around Parsons and think they can find ways to disrupt passing games by rushing the QB in creative ways and as an edge rusher, then I’m all ears.  

If he’s just going to be a massive upgrade over Nate Gerry, then forget about it.  

Yeah, he has to be used as a force blitzing the QB.  He is at his best attacking and living on the other side of the line.  He is a beast though!!!

Just now, eaglesflyers#1 said:

It’s baffling that they saw anything at all in McCoy and Watkins.

Yep.  I can live with an Andre Dillard being a total bust (if it comes to that).  He had silky smooth feet, great athleticism, projected as an ultra high end pass protector later in round 1.  The result is bad but the ingredients and rationale were there.

I just can’t get on bored with certain picks that were older, less explosive, and not even that good in college...or clearly not even comparable in talent to other players at the same position still available.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Yep.  I can live with an Andre Dillard being a total bust (if it comes to that).  He had silky smooth feet, great athleticism, projected as an ultra high end pass protector later in round 1.  The result is bad but the ingredients and rationale were there.

I just can’t get on bored with certain picks that were older, less explosive, and not even that good in college...or clearly not even comparable in talent to other players at the same position still available.  

The only issue I have with the Dillard pick is that it came out afterward that they were scrambling to get info on him on draft day because they learned he was expected to fall. In hindsight, is it smart to trade up for a guy you didn’t vet thoroughly? 

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yeah, he has to be used as a force blitzing the QB.  He is at his best attacking and living on the other side of the line.  He is a beast though!!!

Different talent level, but the cautionary tale here is Chris Gocong.  All time NCAA sack leader (albeit a small school).  Very good athlete, not Parsons level.  
 

He was supposed to come in as a SAM who would allow JJ to just wreak havoc with creative blitzes.  
 

He ended up being a very good run stopping SAM for a couple years with zero impact on the pass rush.  Even JJ couldn’t really figure out how to get a 4-3 LB that consistently involved in the pass rush to become a true threat.  

Funny exchange. Crocker, a former NFL cornerback, is a good follow on Twitter. 

I really like Rondale Moore. He’s short, but he’s quick, powerful and dynamic. If we could get him in round 3 to man the slot, I’d be ecstatic.

1 minute ago, blindside said:

I really like Rondale Moore. He’s short, but he’s quick, powerful and dynamic. If we could get him in round 3 to man the slot, I’d be ecstatic.

I don’t think a wr who runs like that will ever last past mid round 2 again.  

8 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

It’s baffling that they saw anything at all in McCoy and Watkins.

Jim Johnson wanted McCoy - he liked his sideline to sideline speed and coverage ability. Howard Mudd asked for Watkins. I heard Brian Baldinger say that he thought Eagles fans would love Watkins - that he brought the same play to the whistle nastiness that we got from John Runyan. 

Both had physical talent - McCoy was lacking in ... I don't know what to call it ... neck up football acumen?(NUFA). Watkins just wasn't into football - held it together long enough to get paid.

As far as the DE conversation is concerned, it feels like Howie sorts his DE prospects according to their box scores.  The bigger investments at DE (Graham, Marcus Smith, Barnett) all had huge college numbers.  He’ll be open to athletes at DE with less production only later in the draft (Sweat, Toohill).

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t think a wr who runs like that will ever last past mid round 2 again.  

I’m just hoping because of his size, he falls. I’d be happy with him in rd2. I just don’t think slot WR is the most pressing need we have. But if we miss out on Waddle or Smith in Rd 1, he’d be a nice consolation prize. Maybe we can get a guy like Tamorrion Terry in later rounds to play outside. But we need some serious help at WR

Just now, eagle45 said:

As far as the DE conversation is concerned, it feels like Howie sorts his DE prospects according to their box scores.  The bigger investments at DE (Graham, Marcus Smith, Barnett) all had huge college numbers.  He’ll be open to athletes at DE with less production only later in the draft (Sweat, Toohill).

Maybe he’s learned his lesson? 😂😂 Doubt it

21 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

It’s baffling that they saw anything at all in McCoy and Watkins.

They or he?

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Funny exchange. Crocker, a former NFL cornerback, is a good follow on Twitter. 

Brown was so good at just running by his CB that he didn't run a turn of different routes. He always gets huge cushions. 

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Draft picks that made me flip out (full honestly here):

Mike Patterson, Matt Mccoy, Bryan Smith, Brandon Graham, Marcus Smith, JJAW, Barnett, Hurts, Josh Huff, Danny Watkins, Freddie Mitchell.

Couple good ones in there.  

Watkins I didn’t like but understood it because he was supposed to just be plugged in at RG. Marcus Smith was horrible. Graham I didn’t understand trading up for. 
 

I didn’t like Barnett because I felt there were guys with much higher upside available. I think I wanted OJ Howard if I remember correctly. 
 

The worst I ever flipped out was Kolb. That’s when the draft was still first 3 rounds on Saturday and the Eagles didn’t select until like 6:30p. 

30 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I'd lose an eyelash if the Eagles drafted Parsons in the 1st.  I'm only typing this bc I want it to happen!  Let's go Chipotle!  

I don’t even love Parsons all that much but know his upside is tremendous. Just want the Eagles to take a guy with All-Pro upside in round one instead of their usual Above average starter upside. 

4 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

Jim Johnson wanted McCoy - he liked his sideline to sideline speed and coverage ability. Howard Mudd asked for Watkins. I heard Brian Baldinger say that he thought Eagles fans would love Watkins - that he brought the same play to the whistle nastiness that we got from John Runyan. 

Both had physical talent - McCoy was lacking in ... I don't know what to call it ... neck up football acumen?(NUFA). Watkins just wasn't into football - held it together long enough to get paid.

Mccoy wasn’t even invited to the combine.  He used to dip well below 230 when playing for the Eagles.  

In this era, he might be more successful.  In 2005...the nfl still had some physicality and most LBs drafted in round 2 were of the 6’2-3” 245lb variety.  
 

AR famously stayed away from the defensive side of the ball, but it was publicized that he was ARs favorite player in the entire draft due to his hustle and intensity.

Side note... 

Barnett is just this decade’s Mike Patterson. 

If Smith and Waddle are there at 12, who would you prefer? (assuming they plan to take one of them. Also intrigued by Slater and one of the CBs here).