1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I haven’t followed either of these guys before this draft...just watched both with interest during the draft process.  But what is the real difference between Zach Wilson and Mills?  Wilson wasn’t even considered a first round pick until this year.

The raw passing talent is there.

As far as his draft round...if Lawrence/Wilson/Fields/Lance/Jones go round 1...I just can’t fathom qb 6 going even in round 2.  There are only so many nfl teams per offseason willing to invest a premium pick in a qb.

Hurts, for example, was qb 5 in round 2.  

I think it's mainly because he's a little more raw, has worse accuracy and less experience. Plus, he threw the ball like 450 times and only has what, 20 passing TDs? Not even?

There's skill there, but he's also a project. 

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I think it's mainly because he's a little more raw, has worse accuracy and less experience. Plus, he threw the ball like 450 times and only has what, 20 passing TDs? Not even?

There's skill there, but he's also a project. 

I agree completely.  We are in a position that we should be undertaking projects.  

I don't want to go further down the path of debating Hurts, but we don't have a QB of the future.  You can make that assumption when you draft a QB top 5.  We can't make that assumption with Hurts.  He needs to prove it.  Until then, we are in the market for a QB.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Nah???  Whats the difference between 3667/23/4/104.9/67.8% and 1061/6/4/77.6/52%???

You brought Dak into this as an example of not cutting bait after 1 year.  The comparison is a total joke.

Geez, in the last five games of the season he played 3 games and 2 halves behind a shredded OL so he was constantly under pressure and to quote you, throwing to the worse receiving corp in the NFL less a healthy starting RB.  How many times was Hurts near the sideline and throwing it away?   I would suggest that we be cautious about any conclusions we have about the offense from the end of the season last year. 
Every player on the team starts with a clean slate with this coaching staff.  I am curious what Johnson can do with Hurts. We do need another QB if one is available in the draft at the right time.  Best case scenario, we are looking for a #2 next year, worst case scenario, we are drafting a #3 because next year Hurts goes back to #2 and we are drafting a starter. 

And this is why people freaked out when the Eagles drafted Jalen Hurts in QB no man's land.

You draft a QB in round 1?  It's a marriage.  You build around them, plan around them...they are the guy.  You owe them time.

You draft a QB in rounds 3-7...it's a project.  You can move on, find an upgrade, have whatever flexibility you want.  They need to earn it.

Round 2?  That pretty much makes Hurts the worst QB prospect in the NFL that will be handed a job that gets year(s) of the obligatory 'wait and see how he does.'  Or it makes him the most expensive project in the NFL that...as you guys have already started to do....people question what you are thinking when you are ready to move on so soon.

Tell Drew Brees that round 2 is no man’s land.  Frankly, it is beginning to look like picks 1-9 are no man’s land. Rodgers, end of round 1, Brees, start of round 2, Mahommes, a surprising trade up pick at #10, Lamar at the tail end of round 1, Brady round 6, Dak round 4.  I think a QB with a chip on his shoulder and good college stats is the way to go.

UDFA or 7th round QB target this year, Peyton Ramsey.  Way to many college interceptions but not great teams.  Pretty sure over 60% completion rate over four years. Weaker arm but who knows.  Enough interest to bring in if they don’t have a better QB fall earlier.  

Just now, BigEFly said:

Tell Drew Brees that round 2 is no man’s land.  Frankly, it is beginning to look like picks 1-9 are no man’s land. Rodgers, end of round 1, Brees, start of round 2, Mahommes, a surprising trade up pick at #10, Lamar at the tail end of round 1, Brady round 6, Dak round 4.  I think a QB with a chip on his shoulder and good college stats is the way to go.

UDFA or 7th round QB target this year, Peyton Ramsey.  Way to many college interceptions but not great teams.  Pretty sure over 60% completion rate over four years. Weaker arm but who knows.  Enough interest to bring in if they don’t have a better QB fall earlier.  

That's the key; finding and evaluating that prospect just a little better than anyone else.  QBs selected outside the top 10 and have led teams to the top are plentiful -- and you don't need to pay a ransom to get them.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Tell Drew Brees that round 2 is no man’s land.  Frankly, it is beginning to look like picks 1-9 are no man’s land. Rodgers, end of round 1, Brees, start of round 2, Mahommes, a surprising trade up pick at #10, Lamar at the tail end of round 1, Brady round 6, Dak round 4.  I think a QB with a chip on his shoulder and good college stats is the way to go.

UDFA or 7th round QB target this year, Peyton Ramsey.  Way to many college interceptions but not great teams.  Pretty sure over 60% completion rate over four years. Weaker arm but who knows.  Enough interest to bring in if they don’t have a better QB fall earlier.  

How did drafting Drew Brees work out for the Chargers?  They went ahead and drafted someone else.

Pulling Drew Brees from over 10 years ago out of a hat is pretty weak.  Dak and Russ unexpectedly were thrown in and earned it.  Hurts was thrown in and didn't.

The point remains...A QB is either a project that can be upgraded at will, or they are handed the keys.

In round 2...you are getting an awfully bad prospect to just hand the keys to.  Alternatively, that's a heck of an investment to kick aside. 

It is no man's land.

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Nah???  Whats the difference between 3667/23/4/104.9/67.8% and 1061/6/4/77.6/52%???

You brought Dak into this as an example of not cutting bait after 1 year.  The comparison is a total joke.

Dak would have gotten his head kicked in behind that makeshift O-Line...especially the last 2 games. 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Dak would have gotten his head kicked in behind that makeshift O-Line...especially the last 2 games. 

But he didn't.  He came in and was the rookie of the year, yes, with a great offense behind him.

Hurts came in and was a crap passer, yes, with a crap offense behind him.

So we are to hand Hurts the job just because he sucks and the offense sucks too?  If the best thing we can say about Hurts is let's see what the coaches can do with this running QB, his offense sucked...well buckle up...I'm just brimming with excitement.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

But he didn't.  He came in and was the rookie of the year, yes, with a great offense behind him.

Hurts came in and was a crap passer, yes, with a crap offense behind him.

So we are to hand Hurts the job just because he sucks and the offense sucks too?

What are you talking about?  I am saying Dak Prescott would have looked like hot garbage had he been put in the same situation Hurts was put in last season. (No preseason, makeshift O lIne (Matt Pryor says hello) with over 50% of the starters hurt/out during the final 2 games). 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

What are you talking about?  I am saying Dak Prescott would have looked like hot garbage had he been put in the same situation Hurts was put in last season. (No preseason, makeshift O lIne (Matt Pryor says hello) with over 50% of the starters hurt/out during the final 2 games). 

Yes, and I’m saying your theoretical situation never happened, so it’s irrelevant.  Dak played with a great offense behind him and had a great rookie year.

Hurts played with a crap offense behind him and was a crap passer.

That doesnt make Hurts as promising as Dak, who isn’t good enough in the first place.

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Yes, and I’m saying your theoretical situation never happened, so it’s irrelevant.  Dak played with a great offense behind him and had a great rookie year.

Hurts played with a crap offense behind him and was a crap passer.

That doesnt make Hurts as promising as Dak, who isn’t good enough in the first place.

Your initial post saying "teams don't give 2nd round pick QB's" years to develop" is false.  The Cowboys, among others, have already shown that to be false.

 

https://973espn.com/how-does-jalen-hurts-compare-to-2021-nfl-draft-qb-prospects/
 

We all (including folks around the NFL) have very disparate opinions on Hurts. To me that shows that he has a pretty high variance factor, which means how much he works could be the tipping point.

Thankfully, it seems like he’s a hard worker.

People always come after Hurts for his completion percentage, but he was throwing the ball away every other play. He looked fine as a rookie. I rather he throw the ball away than take a sack trying to force something. 

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That's the key; finding and evaluating that prospect just a little better than anyone else.  QBs selected outside the top 10 and have led teams to the top are plentiful -- and you don't need to pay a ransom to get them.

No doubt, but your drafting personnel need an eye for talent. An eye for talent hasn't been one of the Eagles' strong suites of late.

Rashod Bateman or Terrance Marshall

 

i like Marshall better. He’s less physical than Bateman but it’s not like Bateman is jamar Chase at the los or down the field or anything. Marshall looks faster than Bateman and more agile/better body control. But the talk is Bateman in the first and Marshall in the 2nd. 
 

marshall definitely needs to clean up the concentration drops (looks to run before he  puts the ball away). But I still feel he’s the better prospect. 

4 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Your initial post saying "teams don't give 2nd round pick QB's" years to develop" is false.  The Cowboys, among others, have already shown that to be false.

 

 Dak wasn’t even a second round pick.  He also immediately earned the job once on the field, was rookie of the year, and went to a pro bowl as a rookie...so he wasn’t handed years to develop as a non first round pick.

Using Dak as a comparison just proves the point.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

 Dak wasn’t even a second round pick.  He also immediately earned the job, was rookie of the year, and went to a pro bowl as a rookie...so he wasn’t handed years to develop as a non first round pick.

 

And either has Hurts, yet.  The point is that we haven’t seen what Hurts looks like behind a healthy O Line, healthy offense, etc  

1 minute ago, eglz1 said:

No doubt, but your drafting personnel need an eye for talent. An eye for talent hasn't been one of the Eagles' strong suites of late.

If Hurts pans out then the Eagles have a starting QB for the next 3 years at $5M total; they'll also be able to use their 3 first round picks on starting-caliber players right away.  

2 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

People always come after Hurts for his completion percentage, but he was throwing the ball away every other play. He looked fine as a rookie. I rather he throw the ball away than take a sack trying to force something. 

Again, it seems Hurts’ best attribute is the excuse of a horrible offense around him.

No one ever says, wow, look at that nice field awareness, accuracy, ability to make all the throws.  It’s just...well, his offense sucked.  

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

And either has Hurts, yet.  The point is that we haven’t seen what Hurts looks like behind a healthy O Line, healthy offense, etc  

Does anyone have anything good to say about Hurts?  
 

Or is it just that he played with a bad supporting cast?

This isn’t #2 rb where we just need to get by.

Its the freaking franchise qb and no one can say one damn good thing about the guy besides that he runs well and had a bad OL.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Again, it seems Hurts’ best attribute is the excuse of a horrible offense around him.

No one ever says, wow, look at that nice field awareness, accuracy, ability to make all the throws.  It’s just...well, his offense sucked.  

Throwing the ball away is something Wentz didn’t do in year 5. 
 

Not taking an unnecessary sack and turning the ball over is Wow enough. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Does anyone have anything good to say about Hurts?  
 

Or is it just that he played with a bad supporting cast?

This isn’t #2 rb where we just need to get by.

Its the freaking franchise qb and no one can say one damn good thing about the guy besides that he runs well and had a bad OL.

I think he looked fine.  Maybe you are going off a stat sheet but if you actually watched the games, the main reason his completion % was low was due to him throwing the ball away and running for his life.  He demonstrated plenty of accuracy and made several "eye popping” plays. 

4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Throwing the ball away is something Wentz didn’t do in year 5. 
 

Not taking an unnecessary sack and turning the ball over is Wow enough. 

I challenge the blog to say something nice about Hurts and the first response is throwing the ball away.

Just great.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I think he looked fine.  Maybe you are going off a stat sheet but if you actually watched the games, the main reason his completion % was low was due to him throwing the ball away and running for his life.  He demonstrated plenty of accuracy and made several "eye popping” plays. 

Again, you just said NOTHING good about Hurts.  You led with excuses.  Accuracy, really?  This is getting comical.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I challenge the blog to say something nice about Hurts and the first response is throwing the ball away.

Just great.

Again, you just said NOTHING good about Hurts.  Accuracy, really?  This is getting comical.

You obviously did not watch the games.  And if you did, then you’re either trolling or don’t understand the game.