4 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Throwing the ball away is something Wentz didn’t do in year 5. 
 

Not taking an unnecessary sack and turning the ball over is Wow enough. 

haha, not really ..... but I'll hold out hope for this season.

26 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How did drafting Drew Brees work out for the Chargers?  They went ahead and drafted someone else.

Pulling Drew Brees from over 10 years ago out of a hat is pretty weak.  Dak and Russ unexpectedly were thrown in and earned it.  Hurts was thrown in and didn't.

The point remains...A QB is either a project that can be upgraded at will, or they are handed the keys.

In round 2...you are getting an awfully bad prospect to just hand the keys to.  Alternatively, that's a heck of an investment to kick aside. 

It is no man's land.

So three games and two halves and you have given up on Hurts.  My point was that when a QB is selected means less to success than who is selected and for the most part, a QB with a chip on his shoulder giving him drive seems to be the best magic.  

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You obviously did not watch the games.  And if you did, then you’re either trolling or don’t understand the game.  

So anyone that challenges Hurts’ accuracy and passing just doesn’t understand football?  Seriously?  Are we already lowering ourselves to that level of infantile debate?

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So anyone that challenges Hurts’ accuracy and passing just doesn’t understand football?  Seriously?  Are we already lowering ourselves to that level of infantile debate?

Did you watch the games? 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

So anyone that challenges Hurts’ accuracy and passing just doesn’t understand football?  Seriously?  Are we already lowering ourselves to that level of infantile debate?

Some of this fanbase had their head in the sand. If you question Hurts or criticize his game you're "trashing" the guy and hate the Eagles.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Did you watch the games? 

Nope.  I have 32k posts on this message board but generally am too disinterested to watch the games.

But I’m sure your point is valid that anyone who both understands football and watches the games would inexorably reach your same conclusion that Hurts is a good passer.

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

And either has Hurts, yet.  The point is that we haven’t seen what Hurts looks like behind a healthy O Line, healthy offense, etc  

I think that should go for Reagor as well, last year was a disaster. Injuries, play calling, Doug was a mess, Carson was a mess, everything on their offense except for Fulghams 4-5 games was awful. Hurts should be judged the same. 

My stance on Hurts is pretty simple: if Hurts was as bad as some here want to believe, Wentz would still be here. So from my perspective, just from pure logically extrapolation, Hurts must be a prospect worth being patient with. 

Just now, eagle45 said:

Nope.  I have 32k posts on this message board but generally am too disinterested to watch the games.

But I’m sure your point is valid that anyone who both understands football and watches the games would inexorably reach your same conclusion that Hurts is a good passer.

My position has always been that Hurts demonstrated more than enough to warrant an opportunity to compete for the starting QB position.  
 

 

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

My stance on Hurts is pretty simple: if Hurts was as bad as some here want to believe, Wentz would still be here. So from my perspective, just from pure logically extrapolation, Hurts must be a prospect worth being patient with. 

Not sure that that's necessarily true, when there are reports that some of the staff isnt sold on Hurts and Howie allegedly tried moving up for a QB. 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So anyone that challenges Hurts’ accuracy and passing just doesn’t understand football?  Seriously?  Are we already lowering ourselves to that level of infantile debate?

Challenging is one thing.  I do that all the time.  He trusts his legs too much and needs to speed up his reading. But he can pass, which you said he can’t do.  He had a 1.69 QBR in college versus Mills 1.41.  Similar completion rates but Hurts.  But Mills measurements are from 11 starts and a few more subs.  Yet you concluded that Mills is better than Hurts.  Is Hurts at this point a clear franchise QB. Hardly.  But to throw in the towel and make such obviously overstated condemnations, even given your typically negative view, steps past hyperbole and into just negative ****ing with little support for that level of condemnation.  I would argue that if the level of debate has lowered, you set that direction. 

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

I think that should go for Reagor as well, last year was a disaster. Injuries, play calling, Doug was a mess, Carson was a mess, everything on their offense except for Fulghams 4-5 games was awful. Hurts should be judged the same. 

I think Reagor puts up 800 yards and 6 TDs this season.  Of course, last year at this time I thought he'd be a candidate for OROY so take it with a grain of salt.  I just hope he stays healthy and shows what he can do.

7 minutes ago, Thrive said:

My stance on Hurts is pretty simple: if Hurts was as bad as some here want to believe, Wentz would still be here. So from my perspective, just from pure logically extrapolation, Hurts must be a prospect worth being patient with. 

Meanwhile the eagles attempted to trade up to three to get Zach Wilson. And someone tried to squash that report and make rapoport delete the tweet. Who do you think asked him to delete that tweet? Also what does that say about how the eagles truly feel if true? 

ive been fine going with hurts this year. But seems to me the eagles are stockpiling pick cause they don’t know what Hurts is going to be and if he fails this year have 3 firsts (assuming wentz plays 75% or 70% and the colts make the playoffs) to maneuver and get their QB. 

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Some of this fanbase had their head in the sand. If you question Hurts or criticize his game you're "trashing" the guy and hate the Eagles.

 

You're a certified Hurts hater.  I'm still waiting on your statistical breakdown of how Josh Allen was so much bettet in the second half of his first 4 starts than Hurts was. 

 

There are some very legitimate concerns about Hurts with his fumbling, his frequent running that will over time open him up to injuries and the potential limit of just how far down the field he can heave it.   But Jesus there are so many people here, yourself included that clearly give him no shot at all of developing into a pretty good QB in year two of his pro career. 

 

From his time in Alabama to Oklahoma he showed tremendous growth as a passer. Then from college to the NFL where he got no preseason and stepped into a bad situation with a bad team's dn he showed even further grown from Oklahoma. This isn't a player that has been stagnant since they exploded onto the scene as a Freshman.  No, he's obviously a hard worker who has put the work in to improve and continues to do so.  He's only 22 years old and has obviously physical gifts.  Eagles fans should have plenty of reason to be optimistic about Hurts potential step forward in his development in year two.  Not giving him no chance like you are. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Meanwhile the eagles attempted to trade up to three to get Zach Wilson. And someone tried to squash that report and make rapoport delete the tweet. Who do you think asked him to delete that tweet? Also what does that say about how the eagles truly feel if true? 

ive been fine going with hurts this year. But seems to me the eagles are stockpiling pick cause they don’t know what Hurts is going to be and if he fails this year have 3 firsts (assuming wentz plays 75% or 70% and the colts make the playoffs) to maneuver and get their QB. 

I’m sure the Eagles want to see what Hurts looks like with a healthy offense around him and go from there.  And that’s exactly what they seem to be doing.  

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Challenging is one thing.  I do that all the time.  He trusts his legs too much and needs to speed up his reading. But he can pass, which you said he can’t do.  He had a 1.69 QBR in college versus Mills 1.41.  Similar completion rates but Hurts.  But Mills measurements are from 11 starts and a few more subs.  Yet you concluded that Mills is better than Hurts.  Is Hurts at this point a clear franchise QB. Hardly.  But to throw in the towel and make such obviously overstated condemnations, even given your typically negative view, steps past hyperbole and into just negative ****ing with little support for that level of condemnation.  I would argue that if the level of debate has lowered, you set that direction. 

I provided stats, comparisons, etc...you can play your tired violin about how negative I am.  I’m plenty happy with certain moves this team makes.  You say I’m always negative...Id say I just have higher expectations than you do and am less willing to lower the bar.  

Im not the one who just reverted to challenging if someone watches games or understands football.  Hardly an infantile insult, but still just a weak grasp at straws when there is very little tangible to compare Hurts to top QBs.  

 

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Meanwhile the eagles attempted to trade up to three to get Zach Wilson. And someone tried to squash that report and make rapoport delete the tweet. Who do you think asked him to delete that tweet? Also what does that say about how the eagles truly feel if true? 

ive been fine going with hurts this year. But seems to me the eagles are stockpiling pick cause they don’t know what Hurts is going to be and if he fails this year have 3 firsts (assuming wentz plays 75% or 70% and the colts make the playoffs) to maneuver and get their QB. 

 

If they were sure Hurts is going to be bad then they still would have traded to 3 like the 49ers and taken another QB.  I always felt that if there is a QB prospect available that yoy really felt had a high chance to be the franchise guy then you should consider it and try to take them.  Eagles clearly felt Wilson has that potential and they tried for it, couldn't get the lick from the Jets and proceeded to then accumulate picks for next year to give them the safety net of if Hurts doesn't pan out in year two.  They have the best assets to move for a vet QB or move up in the draft for a QB next year but if Hurts pans out they can still use those picks to target other blue chip talent in next draft and/or trade for an elite veteran in either side of the ball next offseason. 

Howie has done well to give him a lot of options going forward.  

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I’m sure the Eagles want to see what Hurts looks like with a healthy offense around him and go from there.  And that’s exactly what they seem to be doing.  

Except you ignore the fact there was a report they wanted to trade up for zack Wilson. You can say it was definitively a false report but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t as someone asked rapoport to take the tweet down. I’m guessing it’s likely someone rapoport is close with inside the eagles organization. So if they could’ve gotten Wilson that statement about seeing what hurts looks like wouldn’t be true. I think it’s true now because they weren’t able to acquire the QB I’m this draft that they loved  

also believe what you want caplan and mosher both say they have multiple sources stating the eagles didn’t draft hurts to be a starter here. Frankly i find that to be not true but they keep stating it every week. 

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

And teams don’t move on from players after 5 games either 

at-least competent teams don’t 

and teams don't draft QBs to be gadget players in the 2nd round either yet here we are.  If NO wasn't using Hill like they have been, Hurts would never have been drafted by the Eagles IMO.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I’m sure the Eagles want to see what Hurts looks like with a healthy offense around him and go from there.  And that’s exactly what they seem to be doing.  

I wouldn't be surprised if pick #12 comes around and Trey Lance (or Mac Jones) is still on the board.  If that's the case do the Eagles trade out again and get a pick from NE, WFT, or CHI?  Ignore Lance/Jones and make the pick at #12 for a CB or WR (or other)?  Or do they select QB at #12?

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're a certified Hurts hater.  I'm still waiting on your statistical breakdown of how Josh Allen was so much bettet in the second half of his first 4 starts than Hurts was. 

 

There are some very legitimate concerns about Hurts with his fumbling, his frequent running that will over time open him up to injuries and the potential limit of just how far down the field he can heave it.   But Jesus there are so many people here, yourself included that clearly give him no shot at all of developing into a pretty good QB in year two of his pro career. 

 

From his time in Alabama to Oklahoma he showed tremendous growth as a passer. Then from college to the NFL where he got no preseason and stepped into a bad situation with a bad team's dn he showed even further grown from Oklahoma. This isn't a player that has been stagnant since they exploded onto the scene as a Freshman.  No, he's obviously a hard worker who has put the work in to improve and continues to do so.  He's only 22 years old and has obviously physical gifts.  Eagles fans should have plenty of reason to be optimistic about Hurts potential step forward in his development in year two.  Not giving him no chance like you are. 

Just as soon as you explain why people care that he changed his number, chief. One of us has been banned in the past for having their head up their ass and being a troll. Wasn't me, so by process of elimination...

I don't hate Hurts. Have I pointed out red flags? Sure. Have I said I don't have faith? Sure. I know you might have difficulty differentiating between skepticism and hatred, but they aren't the same thing. 

Maybe get outside now and again.

 

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I provided stats, comparisons, etc...you can play your tired violin about how negative I am.  I’m plenty happy with certain moves this team makes.  You say I’m always negative...Id say I just have higher expectations than you do and am less willing to lower the bar.  

Im not the one who just reverted to challenging if someone watches games or understands football.  Hardly an infantile insult, but still just a weak grasp at straws when there is very little tangible to compare Hurts to top QBs.  

 

 

What kind of expectations do you have for a rookie in their first 4 starts on a bad team going up against teams that were all in the playoff hunt at the end of the year? 

You compare the rookie years of McNabb, Foles, Wentz and Hurts his rookie year compares very favorably. And I doubt you were as low and negative about those players heading I to their 2nd seasons so you're holding Hurts to a higher expectation for some reason. 

15 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Meanwhile the eagles attempted to trade up to three to get Zach Wilson. And someone tried to squash that report and make rapoport delete the tweet. Who do you think asked him to delete that tweet? Also what does that say about how the eagles truly feel if true? 

ive been fine going with hurts this year. But seems to me the eagles are stockpiling pick cause they don’t know what Hurts is going to be and if he fails this year have 3 firsts (assuming wentz plays 75% or 70% and the colts make the playoffs) to maneuver and get their QB. 

I missed this post,  it’s really all that needs to be said on the subject.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Meanwhile the eagles attempted to trade up to three to get Zach Wilson. And someone tried to squash that report and make rapoport delete the tweet. Who do you think asked him to delete that tweet? Also what does that say about how the eagles truly feel if true? 

ive been fine going with hurts this year. But seems to me the eagles are stockpiling pick cause they don’t know what Hurts is going to be and if he fails this year have 3 firsts (assuming wentz plays 75% or 70% and the colts make the playoffs) to maneuver and get their QB. 

I am now expecting Howie to trade down again in the first round. My guess is he is going to try to get another 3rd and then try to package multiple picks to get an additional 2nd rounder.  I'm guessing he would like to have 3 picks between around 18 and 50.   I am guessing we draft about 9 players.  Currently,  we have 11 picks, but a lot of those are late.  I'm guessing he might target the DT Barmore in the 1st round and then he will use our other second rounders on CB and WR.  Cox is getting up in age and we lost Malik Jackson.  I'm not saying I agree with this philosophy, but I think that is what is coming.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Meanwhile the eagles attempted to trade up to three to get Zach Wilson. And someone tried to squash that report and make rapoport delete the tweet. Who do you think asked him to delete that tweet? Also what does that say about how the eagles truly feel if true? 

ive been fine going with hurts this year. But seems to me the eagles are stockpiling pick cause they don’t know what Hurts is going to be and if he fails this year have 3 firsts (assuming wentz plays 75% or 70% and the colts make the playoffs) to maneuver and get their QB. 

It’s not exactly clear whether or not we truly wanted to go up for Wilson but, quite frankly, if you see Wilson as a Mahomes/Rodgers type talent, you trade up for him even if you had Wentz.

Using your logic, the Eagles therefore prefer Hurts to Jones, Fields and Trey, who are all excellent prospects in their own rights.