7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

What a really dumb post, lmao

Someone mentioned that there was a comparison to Tebow pre-draft so I just compared the numbers of their rookie seasons. What's really dumb is that Tebow was better across the board in every way and people get butthurt when you question Hurts, lmao. 

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Wow Phils sweep Braves. Don’t expect them to keep winning if they hit like they did this series but the Pitching was Great. Shocked by this bullpen so far. 

Baseball is a simple formula.  Get 6+ innings from the starter and the bullpen will be good.  Start yanking the starter early and the bullpen will get worn down and lit up eventually.

Maybe the idiotic Rays manager blowing the World Series last season will help people start seeing the light.

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Someone mentioned that there was a comparison to Tebow pre-draft so I just compared the numbers of their rookie seasons. What's really dumb is that Tebow was better across the board in every way and people get butthurt when you question Hurts, lmao. 

 

You're comparing per game stats which include a high number of games that Hurts was either on the field for a snap or two without touching the ball or touching the ball only for 1-3 designed runs per game.  You really posted an image to show his per game stats which were accumulated over 4.25 games stretched out over 15 games that he suited up for and you did so seriously.  

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Someone mentioned that there was a comparison to Tebow pre-draft so I just compared the numbers of their rookie seasons. What's really dumb is that Tebow was better across the board in every way and people get butthurt when you question Hurts, lmao. 

Did you ever see Tebow play? Nuff said.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I have a pretty high level of confidence in Mailata. All the physical tools in the world, has already shown the ability to dominate at times on the field, still young, and has an understandable "excuse" for his lack of consistency which should be remedied through simple experience. Unless he never makes any progress in his football IQ, or decides he just doesn't like playing football, I think this kid ends up being a Pro Bowl level player -- and maybe even more than that.

Dillard, ironically, is harder for me to judge. But I don't see why he can't be a solid starter unless there is some massive mental issues that I'm unaware of. It's not as if he lacks talent.

I think the smart move would be to draft a raw, high upside, versatile OT/OG in the mid rounds. If both Dillard and Mailata work out, then you switch the guy to guard and you have the foundation for a really good OL. If one of the Dillard or Mailata don't pan out, then you've hedged your bets and should be OK,

You mean a Driscoll clone with longer arms?

24 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Wow Phils sweep Braves. Don’t expect them to keep winning if they hit like they did this series but the Pitching was Great. Shocked by this bullpen so far. 

Honestly the bullpen couldn’t be any worse and they added some power arms that should help. The fact espn today had a mlb scout say the numbers the Phillies pen gave up in 2020 are arenado’s typical season numbers is horribly bad. I think they were e 2nd or 3rd worse era of a bullpen since 1930.

im more concerned with what their 4-5th starters can do. Nola and wheeler i trust. Eflin began figuring it out at the end of kapler’s tenure where he said screw it i am going back to being what I’m comfortable with.  He was fine last year. His ERA looks worse at 3.97 cause the bullpen imploded many times when he left the game. He’s solid 3-4 guy. The rest of the staff is a huge question mark.

i also think they might be in the market at the deadline for a CF if haseley and Quinn don’t show much. Frankly i wouldn’t rely on Quinn he always gets hurt. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Had no idea Lane had that big of a contract compared to everyone else

Trent Williams just got a bigger deal at 32, and he missed all of 2019.

Lane, if healthy, is probably the best, or at least top 3, RTs in the NFL.

Brooks is healthy, the same.

Dillard was a great pass blocker in college who had to learn to run block in the pros. If Stoutland likes him, that's good enough for me.

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're comparing per game stats which include an high umber of games that Hurts was either on the field for a snap or two without touching the ball or touching the ball only for 1-3 designed runs per game. 

 

Do you understand math at all? 

I do, thanks. 

Their numbers are similar with Tebow being better in some regards. The fact that it's even comparable shows the concern with Hurts isn't just a fabrication.

As starters

Tebow: 1-2 with a 49% completion percentage. 651 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INT, 8.04 yards/attempt with a 77.8 QB rating 

Hurts: 1-3 with a 52% completion percentage. 919 yards, 5 TDs, 3 INT, 6.91 yards/attempt with a 77.2 QB rating

LMAO

Hurts is the QB. He has 17 games to show what he has. It's really simple. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Hurts is the QB. He has 17 games to show what he has. It's really simple. 

Agree and that's fair. I hope he does well. I hope he's the best QB to ever play this game, but I also don't think it's a sin to have concerns either.

Honestly I think Tebow is a fair comparison, the dude does have a playoff win and all, so he had a smidge of success in the NFL.  

Based off the small sample we had last year, Hurts is a guy with slightly above average athleticism, looks to run at the first sign of danger/confusion, and can't hit the broad side of a barn at the NFL level (or college).  

Now was last year just, Hurts was a rookie in a bad situation, or is he really as bad as his draft profile indicated.

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Agree and that's fair. I hope he does well. I hope he's the best QB to ever play this game, but I also don't think it's a sin to have concerns either.

Concerns shouldn't become conclusions.

Let's see.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Agree and that's fair. I hope he does well. I hope he's the best QB to ever play this game, but I also don't think it's a sin to have concerns either.

One can hope, but it's gonna take some serious Sun, stars, moon, earth and planets aligning for that honestly.

I want him to either succeed as the best or completely fall on his face.  I don't want any form of in between.  Mediocrity or excuses to keep the train limping is not an option.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

I do, thanks. 

Their numbers are similar with Tebow being better in some regards. The fact that it's even comparable shows the concern with Hurts isn't just a fabrication.

As starters

Tebow: 1-2 with a 49% completion percentage. 651 yards, 4 TDs, 3 INT, 8.04 yards/attempt with a 77.8 QB rating 

Hurts: 1-3 with a 52% completion percentage. 919 yards, 5 TDs, 3 INT, 6.91 yards/attempt with a 77.2 QB rating

LMAO

 

You do realize you posted a picture of a per game comparison that took all of Hurts 15 games despite the fact he only essentially played QB in 4.25 games.  You posted that completely seriously. 

Furthermore did you watch Tebow? He had a disastrously long and slow throwing motion and he genuinely was missing guys terribly bad on a consistent basis.  Hurts has a nice quick release and has shown he can hit a lot of difficult passes with very nice touch and velocity depending on the type of throw it is.  He's making throws with anticipation too and not just waiting for players to grt open before he throws. He's shown a lot of growth as a passer since his time in Alabama.  

10 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Agree and that's fair. I hope he does well. I hope he's the best QB to ever play this game, but I also don't think it's a sin to have concerns either.

 

There are people who have concerns and then there are people like you that only posts negatively about him and obviously view him as a bad QB and that is all he will ever be. His book is written in your eyes. 

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You do realize you posted a picture of a per game comparison that took all of Hurts 15 games despite the fact he only essentially played QB in 4.25 games.  You posted that completely seriously. 

Furthermore did you watch Tebow? He had a disastrously long and slow throwing motion and he genuinely was missing guys terribly bad on a consistent basis.  Hurts has a nice quick release and has shown he can hit a lot of difficult passes with very nice touch and velocity depending on the type of throw it is.  He's making throws with anticipation too and not just waiting for players to grt open before he throws. He's shown a lot of growth as a passer since his time in Alabama.  

Was just showing their per games being similar. It's not like Tebow wasn't also active for 9 games and got 0 snaps, too. Regardless, the stats as starters I just posted were accurate. Feel free to look into if you want. 

Hurts can have the best delivery in the NFL and none of that will ever change the fact that he had a comparable rookie season in terms of numbers to Tim Tebow. 

Questioning Hurts is evidently too much for some people.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

There are people who have concerns and then there are people like you that only posts negatively about him and obviously view him as a bad QB and that is all he will ever be. His book is written in your eyes. 

Hurt(s) your feelings?

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts is the QB. He has 17 games to show what he has. It's really simple. 

Perhaps we should wait until week 1 before saying Hurts is the QB

Howie could draft or trade for a QB before the season starts. Wouldn't put it past Howie

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Was just showing their per games being similar. It's not like Tebow wasn't also active for 9 games and got 0 snaps, too. Regardless, the stats as starters I just posted were accurate. Feel free to look into if you want. 

Hurts can have the best delivery in the NFL and none of that will ever change the fact that he had a comparable rookie season in terms of numbers to Tim Tebow. 

Questioning Hurts is evidently too much for some people.

 

No, under no scenario or circumstance does posting their per game stats over the entirety of their rookie years make any logical sense.  

 

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Hurt(s) your feelings?

I think it's beyond foolish.  Rooting against a young player on the team who flashed promise his rookie year. 

 

It's painfully obvious that all the people comparing Hurts to Tebow never actually watched Tebow play football.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I think it's beyond foolish.  Rooting against a young player on the team who flashed promise his rookie year. 

 

I didnt see flashing promise

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I will buy the argument that 4-5 rocky games are not enough to pass definitive judgement on a player.  While many qb's do show they belong right away, several QB's with middling undifferentiated rookie seasons have gone on to pro-bowls/SB's.  That's fine...part of the process.

But here are a few tidbits on Hurts...

From Mel Kiper: "Just did enough in the passing game to get by. When they needed more, they went to Tua (Tagovailoa) and they got it. So, who knows? Nick (Saban) isn’t going to discard a Jalen Hurts, but to say he’s a pro prospect right now, I’d say no. I don’t think — as a quarterback — I wouldn’t say he was an NFL quarterback prospect. But we’ll see if he could maybe make a change to another position down the road.”

The first player Lance Zierlein compares him to is Tim Tebow: Like Tim Tebow, Hurts is a winning dual-threat quarterback known for his strength, toughness and character. Hurts is a more accurate passer and better runner than Tebow but is inconsistent as a decision-maker and tends to break the pocket when throws are there to be made. His deep-ball touch and intermediate accuracy improved this year so teams may see him as a developmental talent who will keep getting better in the right scheme. He'll struggle to beat NFL defenses from the pocket, but his ability to grind out yards on the ground and make off-schedule plays should make him a solid backup with upward mobility.

He was asked multiple times about changing positions during senior bowl meetings.

Yes, Kiper's analysis was pre-Oklahoma.  Sure, deride the internet scouts all you want.  And yes, 4-5 games just isn't enough.  But of all the young QB's in the NFL, of all the elite QB's in college, of all the QB's who will be drafted round 1 this year......can you honestly, seriously say you are happy THIS is the young QB that is our guy as QB1???  He's literally our QB1 due to peculiar circumstances and a series of unfortunate events.  I don't think anyone with their head screwed on straight would pick Hurts as the young QB they want as their starter.

Zierlein is accurate as to the questions out of OU. Personally both Kiper and McShay couldn’t be an intern scout on any NFL team. They are pretty bad at analysis. I will say that this year almost any attainable QB, I would not be thrilled to draft and no one out of the top two picks strikes me as being a better option than Hurts.  I really don’t like the 2021 QB class for starters. I am more than willing to give him a shot in 2021.  Best case scenario is he is better than we thought and can correct his trusting his legs too much.  Worst case, we draft high enough next year to get a better QB prospect than this year and we have a viable back up.  In the meantime we build a better D and upgrade some positions on offense. 

Tebow was also an awful draft pick