11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not even going to argue that.  I agree with you completely.

I don’t like Hurts and think he’s a bad passer and a bad prospect.  Developing a qb takes years.  And I’m not willing to wait years for a bad prospect.  So the onus is on Hurts to do more, sooner, than a more traditional first round pick who profiles as a more advanced passer.  

 

I agree that he shouldn't have the leash that a high draft pick like Josh Allen or Mitchell Trubisky got simply because of the investment teams made into those QBs.  For me if Hurts comes out and has a so-so season with something around 20 TD passes, 12-14 interceptions and 3,500+ passing yards then yeah the Eagles should try to look elsewhere and no doubt they will do exactly that.

But if he comes out and has season with something like 27+ passing touchdowns, 10-12 interceptions, 3,800+ passing yards and whatever rushing numbers that will come along with his style of play as well then that to me would be Jalen Hurts earning a 3rd year with the team and for the Eagles to take all that draft capital to put serious talent around him in year 3.  

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I agree that he shouldn't have the leash that a high draft pick like Josh Allen or Mitchell Trubisky got simply because of the investment teams made into those QBs.  For me if Hurts comes out and has a so-so season with something around 20 TD passes, 12-14 interceptions and 3,500+ passing yards then yeah the Eagles should try to look elsewhere and no doubt they will do exactly that.

But if he comes out and has season with something like 28+ passing touchdowns, 8-10 interceptions, 3,800+ passing yards and whatever rushing numbers that will come along with his style of play as well then that to me would be Jalen Hurts earning a 3rd year with the team and for the Eagles to take all that draft capital to put serious talent around him in year 3.  

We are closer to the same page than you think.  If he puts up those numbers, he’s earned another year.

Id even permit far more ints than that.  I’m looking for volume...signs of leaning the offense on his arm.  Lots of yards, lots of TDs.  If that inflates the ints, that’s ok; he’s young.

What I DONT want is a caretaker season...3100 yards, 700 yards rushing, 20td, 6-7int.  That’s not a passing qb...that’s just spoon feeding a couple easy reads because the staff knows they can’t run a real offense.  

I'll be happy if Hurts is a solid caretaker like Dak.

Because that's the best you get unless you get really lucky. And that can be good enough to get you to 11-12 wins. And once in the playoffs, anything can happen, as we well know.

And that's good enough if you build a good team around a smart, athletic caretaker.

Go look at Tom Brady from 2001-2003, that was a very basic offense with few tough throws, a lot of short patterns to quick WRs and a strong running game. Belichick didn't take the leash off until 2004, and if McNabb doesn't choke in the first period, good chance they win that game.

The difference is athletic caretakers can make plays with their legs when the team needs them to, you don't want them to depend on their legs, but it's a nice ace in the hole.

Not sure I would call Dak a , caretaker  .

5 hours ago, greend said:

I feel okay. I actually got a 2nd rapid covid test that came back negative. I'm waiting for the "send away" results.  I definitely have something and it's lasted a while.  But being vaccinated, not feeling all that bad, my wife and granddaughter (who had/have the same symptoms as me) tested negative and now my 2nd test is negative I'm suspicious. 

Thanks for asking!

Send away test came back negative.  Looks like I'm good to go. What a roller coaster the last few days have been. Very glad I decided to double down on the test. 

I was told that false positives are very rare, so maybe I got someone else's results the first time (they only do rapid at the first place)

16 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'll be happy if Hurts is a solid caretaker like Dak.

Because that's the best you get unless you get really lucky. And that can be good enough to get you to 11-12 wins. And once in the playoffs, anything can happen, as we well know.

And that's good enough if you build a good team around a smart, athletic caretaker.

Go look at Tom Brady from 2001-2003, that was a very basic offense with few tough throws, a lot of short patterns to quick WRs and a strong running game. Belichick didn't take the leash off until 2004, and if McNabb doesn't choke in the first period, good chance they win that game.

The difference is athletic caretakers can make plays with their legs when the team needs them to, you don't want them to depend on their legs, but it's a nice ace in the hole.

Lol, "a solid caretaker like Dak.”

On 4/3/2021 at 12:06 AM, eagle45 said:

Oweh is sort of like trading a pick for a 2022 first rounder.

He's got pure first round talent.  

He's also likely to be useless as a rookie.  And this is coming from someone who believes that raw, uber athletic DE's and WR's actually have a better, earlier impact than the less explosive guys who have to adjust to all the finer points of the game in order produce in the NFL.

He's got a LOT of work to do.  But no edge player in this entire draft (or most drafts) has his unique type of talent.  Of course, that may be if you are willing to put any stock in his 40 time.

I think his value starts in the last few picks of round 1.  With our 2?  Sure, welcome aboard.

 

Phillips is a far superior edge prospect

Dak doesn't have the big arm to make splash plays like Mahomes.

Put him on the Eagles the last couple years and he'd look pretty ordinary, a lot easier throwing to top WRs.

The same applies to Hurts, if the OL is rebuilt, we draft a top weapon to go with Sanders, Reagor and Goedert, and Sirianni applies some of that Reich magic to turn ordinary skill players into reliable targets, we'll know if Hurts is for real.

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Phillips is a far superior edge prospect

I’m assuming he’s well off the board by then.

Maybe 3 QBs have Mahomes arm , that doesn’t make the rest of them , caretakers 

Brady doesn’t have Mahomes arm 

I like Turner and Ossai off the edge in rd 2 early .

Paye rd 1

17 minutes ago, greend said:

Send away test came back negative.  Looks like I'm good to go. What a roller coaster the last few days have been. Very glad I decided to double down on the test. 

I was told that false positives are very rare, so maybe I got someone else's results the first time (they only do rapid at the first place)

So glad to hear this.   Go get your boar!

22 minutes ago, greend said:

Send away test came back negative.  Looks like I'm good to go. What a roller coaster the last few days have been. Very glad I decided to double down on the test. 

I was told that false positives are very rare, so maybe I got someone else's results the first time (they only do rapid at the first place)

Kill that pig. One less feral is a good start. What gun are you taking?

11 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Phillips is a far superior edge prospect

Yeah, Oweh would be quite far down the list for me.  He might run fast, but he doesn’t play fast.  Phillips, Ojiulari, Ossai, and Basham all look distinctly better to me as prospects.

Oweh is somewhere in the Paye and Rousseau region for me.  They’re overhyped, and I wouldn’t be too happy if the Eagles used a high pick on any of them.

Oweh will be a steal for a team that can move him along slowly , don’t need to depend on him early

He has only been playing football for 4 years

Looking at Stanford getting the first championship since 1992. How did the 1992 draft for the eagles turn out? I really didn't know any of the players and I used to play Madden 92 all the time.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

Did you ever see Tebow play? Nuff said.

Have you seen Howie draft? Nuff said.

swooop there it is, swooop there it is, swoop there it is

Are we even sure Hurts beats Flacco if the competition was honest? 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we even sure Hurts beats Flacco if the competition was honest? 

If they judge anything after the first read Flacco wins in a landslide

Just catching up on everything from today, but throwaways are not an excuse for a poor completion percentage unless you can tell me every single one had no open option. Throwaways are better than just taking a sack but still could mean the QB isn’t doing what he’s supposed to be doing. 

9 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

He's hated Wentz for awhile now. 

I've never "hated" Wentz and I don't dislike him now.  I've even stated that I hope he finds a way to turn his career around in Indy. 

I'm not sure what made me tick last night but those posts had more to do with being frustrated with  a certain segment of the fanbase that is (literally) rooting for Wentz to win in Indy but most of those same fans have already written off Jalen Hurts as a starting QB. 

It's one thing to want to see one of your favorite players have success after he leaves (that's ok to an extent, imo) but then to double-down on it by bashing and writing off the guy that will likely replace him in 2021 sounds like a bunch of sour grapes....especially since Hurts demonstrated plenty of "flashes" during his first few NFL starts, imo.  

44 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we even sure Hurts beats Flacco if the competition was honest? 

As anti-Hurts as I am, there shouldn’t be a competition.  Hurts is 23 and is all we have.  Of the current roster, he’s the one to observe in the offense.  Flacco is just an older, more accomplished, less in the tank Chase Daniel 2.0.

Hurts should start even if Flacco is better in camp.  

37 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

I've never "hated" Wentz and I don't dislike him now.  I've even stated that I hope he finds a way to turn his career around in Indy. 

I'm not sure what made me tick last night but those posts had more to do with being frustrated with  a certain segment of the fanbase that is (literally) rooting for Wentz to win in Indy but most of those same fans have already written off Jalen Hurts as a starting QB. 

It's one thing to want to see one of your favorite players have success after he leaves (that's ok to an extent, imo) but then to double-down on it by bashing and writing off the guy that will likely replace him in 2021 sounds like a bunch of sour grapes....especially since Hurts demonstrated plenty of "flashes" during his first few NFL starts, imo.  

I don’t know who is rooting for Wentz in Indy, other than staying healthy. I’m as big of a Wentz fan as there comes. He was the QB I wanted in that draft well before we traded up, and they drafted him on my birthday. But he was BAD last year. Real bad. And I’m not against the decision to move on. But that doesn’t make Hurts good. I hated the draft pick at the time, for all the reasons that are now coming to fruition. We drafted him in round 2. No man’s land. Not high enough to not draft someone else they like, and not low enough to relegate him to a backup. Instead of getting Wentz another weapon or getting the defense someone significant, we spent a second round pick on a QB who isn’t good enough to draft in round one, but is a high enough pick we are forced to see what we have. That’s horribly stupid. In so many ways. I don’t hate him. Don’t dislike him. It’s not his fault. But I’m not gonna pretend he was any good just because Carson wasn’t 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just catching up on everything from today, but throwaways are not an excuse for a poor completion percentage unless you can tell me every single one had no open option. Throwaways are better than just taking a sack but still could mean the QB isn’t doing what he’s supposed to be doing. 

I tend to agree for the most part.  And Hurts is still developing and learning the QB position at the NFL level.  I'm sure he'll tell you himself (if asked) that one area of development that he is still "learning" is to throw to his 2nd, 3rd and 4th reads before running (If his 1st or 2nd read is covered).  The fact that he's very mobile and knows he can "win" with his legs (and has his entire life) makes it slightly more challenging for a QB with his skill set. 

McNabb, Vick and Cunningham went through the same "learning stages" in their careers.  It took McNabb about 2 seasons to be a "throw first" QB.  Vick became much better at it once he signed here and Cunningham was getting there the season he tore his knee apart; but that seemed to disrupt his development and didn't get back to "peak" form as a passer until he went to Minnesota.  

That said, Hurts was running for his life during most of the final 2 games.  I believe by the final game of the season, the offense had something like 4 or 5 starters that were starters on day 1.  Other than avoiding sacks, most of his "throw aways" were because the right side of the line would give up pressure (almost) every other play during the final 2 games. His starting WR's were 2 rookies and Greg Ward.  Dallas Goedert was also out during that final game.  And he was throwing and getting pressured on the majority of plays during the 2nd halves of the Dallas and WFT games, trying to come back to win those games.  I don't have the stats on hand but I believe his 1st half completion % is hovering around 60% or more.  That leads me to believe that Hurts should eventually become a 60%+ passer at the NFL level and he could likely get there this year with a full pre-season and  healthy offense around him,  imo.