24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

As anti-Hurts as I am, there shouldn’t be a competition.  Hurts is 23 and is all we have.  Of the current roster, he’s the one to observe in the offense.  Flacco is just an older, more accomplished, less in the tank Chase Daniel 2.0.

Hurts should start even if Flacco is better in camp.  

Don’t get me wrong, I completely agree there is no point in starting Flacco and the QB competition shouldn’t be honest. I do think Hurts should "earn it” which is why I would have rather signed a Matt Barkley or Chase Daniel. I think there is a possible scenario Flacco in the preseason looks better while Hurts gets the nod which creates more unnecessary pressure.

1 hour ago, blindside said:

I don’t know who is rooting for Wentz in Indy, other than staying healthy. I’m as big of a Wentz fan as there comes. He was the QB I wanted in that draft well before we traded up, and they drafted him on my birthday. But he was BAD last year. Real bad. And I’m not against the decision to move on. But that doesn’t make Hurts good. I hated the draft pick at the time, for all the reasons that are now coming to fruition. We drafted him in round 2. No man’s land. Not high enough to not draft someone else they like, and not low enough to relegate him to a backup. Instead of getting Wentz another weapon or getting the defense someone significant, we spent a second round pick on a QB who isn’t good enough to draft in round one, but is a high enough pick we are forced to see what we have. That’s horribly stupid. In so many ways. I don’t hate him. Don’t dislike him. It’s not his fault. But I’m not gonna pretend he was any good just because Carson wasn’t 

I get it.  Drafting Hurts is still "controversial" among some fans .  Although I was as shocked as anyone when they picked Hurts in the 2nd round, I (eventually) understood why they did it and think it makes sense.  No one could have predicted how it apparently affected Wentz in a negative fashion and if it played a part in Wentz' regression over the 2020 season, I can see how some fans are still upset over the pick.   

That said, the jury is still out on Hurts...and that goes BOTH ways.  4 games, with no pre-season and a decimated offense is nowhere near the sample size needed to evaluate a rookie QB.  In those 4 games, I think he showed plenty of "flashes", he was cool under pressure and seemed to have a solid control of the huddle and the offense from a leadership position.  He showed enough to warrant an opportunity to compete for the starting QB position, imo. 

42 minutes ago, blindside said:

I don’t know who is rooting for Wentz in Indy, other than staying healthy. I’m as big of a Wentz fan as there comes. He was the QB I wanted in that draft well before we traded up, and they drafted him on my birthday. But he was BAD last year. Real bad. And I’m not against the decision to move on. But that doesn’t make Hurts good. I hated the draft pick at the time, for all the reasons that are now coming to fruition. We drafted him in round 2. No man’s land. Not high enough to not draft someone else they like, and not low enough to relegate him to a backup. Instead of getting Wentz another weapon or getting the defense someone significant, we spent a second round pick on a QB who isn’t good enough to draft in round one, but is a high enough pick we are forced to see what we have. That’s horribly stupid. In so many ways. I don’t hate him. Don’t dislike him. It’s not his fault. But I’m not gonna pretend he was any good just because Carson wasn’t 

To add onto this a couple of things.

You basically are forced to cheer for Wentz to be good in Indianapolis next year because he has to play 75% of the snaps or 70% and they make the playoffs in order to get a first round pick. They are not going to continue to keep playing him if he stinks. So if he sucks and they’re not really competing with him they probably aren’t going to play him 75% of the snaps. So you’re going to get a second round pick instead of the first round pick.

TIFWIW listened to caplan and Mosher discuss the drafting of Jalen hurts. Both caplan and mosher put out there in their latest podcast that the Eagles didn’t even have a second round grade on Jalen hurts. They took him there because they didn’t wanna miss out like they did on Russell Wilson if they waited. Caplan even double down on it in another interview on 973 ESPN in AC saying they didn’t have a second round grade on him it was either a 3rd or 4th round grade. So they keep saying they were told that and the eagles never expected hurts to be a long term starter for them but use him like they did with AJ Feeley (their words not mine)

Another TIFWIW caplan and mosher discussed the Eagles interest in looking to acquire just Deshaun Watson before all these allegations took place. Caplan again double down in that 973 interview where he said the entire league knew the Eagles were looking into and attempting to make a deal for him before the allegations. So he added the entire league knew about their interests it wasn’t a secret in the interview. Also discussed the possibility of Russell Wilson.  So if Mosher and caplan are accurate in their reporting and add on the rumors with Zach Wilson from schefter, mortensen and rapoport it might just be the Eagles looking for a different long-term solution at QB before just going ahead with hurts as the starter. And not just hey we are interested but actively trying 

And let me just say I don’t agree with going out and getting a quarterback right now. I don’t think the Eagles are ready with the roster they have constructed to be trading away picks to get a quarterback and you don’t even know if Watson would waive his no trade clause (prior to allegations— now caplan and mosher say it’s unlikely until his off the field stuff is cleared and if confirmed he did makes the trade moot). I’ve been of the opinion the eagles should go with hurts in 2021 since the wentz trade. However I’m not so blind with loyalty to just dismiss every single report of the eagles looking for other alternatives or setting themselves up with enough ammo to acquire someone they can get

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we even sure Hurts beats Flacco if the competition was honest? 

I expect him to. If he doesn't then that's another huge reason Howie needs to go. That would be pretty bad if he can't beat the intended backup

I'd still let him play though since the season is gone anyway and hope there's a franchise QB in next years draft

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I expect him to. If he doesn't then that's another huge reason Howie needs to go. That would be pretty bad if he can't beat the intended backup

I'd still let him play though since the season is gone anyway and hope there's a franchise QB in next years draft

I expect him to as well but I think a large part of it is what kind of offense does Sirianni want to run. These are polar opposite QBs.

17 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

So, your position is that Foles will be better than Wentz in 2021?

I'm not sure what I was on about last night but those posts had more to do with being frustrated with some Wentz fans who seem to criticize everyone other than Wentz, over the past year or so.  I've gone back and deleted those posts and followed them up with posts explaining the points I was trying to make (in a much calmer fashion, lol). 

16 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Not sure why it's your agenda to make this a Wentz vs Hurts discussion.  Wentz is largely irrelevant now because he plays for a different team; the only impact he will have moving forward is the return the Eagles got -- the two draft picks.

Hurts wasn't very good in his 4 games as a starter last season.  It doesn't matter it was the first 4 games of his career; other teams don't care, and the fans don't care -- and they shouldn't.  You get the gig as starting QB, you need to perform.  No excuses.  Wentz earned his defenders with 4 years of good work.  Hurts gets one season -- 2021.  If he plays well enough to keep the job the Eagles can use their 3 first round picks next season to build around him.  If he doesn't play well enough the Eagles will use some or all of that draft capital to get a starting QB who is good enough.

End of story.

Saying "Hurts wasn't good in his 4 games last season" is blatantly false.  He beat the best defense in the league at the time, in his first career NFL start, when the team was struggling at life support levels.  A W against a team like that trumps any other stats for a QB.  He also played well during most of the Arizona game, which was the most exciting offensive performance of the season, imo.  So he arguably played well in at least 2 games out of 4.  He seemed to struggle a bit against Dallas but managed to play "ok" for 3 quarters against WFT.  And when I say he played "ok" the offense had 4 starters in that game.  The other 7 were out.  And the fact that Sudfeld could barely get a pass off when he came in actually bodes well for Hurts, since Hurts managed to at least move the ball a bit when he was in.

So 2 good games, 1 bad game and 1 below average game with 7 offensive starters out, imo.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I expect him to as well but I think a large part of it is what kind of offense does Sirianni want to run. These are polar opposite QBs.

Nick has claimed he can have 3 different style QBs on the roster and scheme for them so we'll see

57 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To add onto this a couple of things.

You basically are forced to cheer for Wentz to be good in Indianapolis next year because he has to play 75% of the snaps or 70% and they make the playoffs in order to get a first round pick. They are not going to continue to keep playing him if he stinks. So if he sucks and they’re not really competing with him they probably aren’t going to play him 75% of the snaps. So you’re going to get a second round pick instead of the first round pick.

TIFWIW listened to caplan and Mosher discuss the drafting of Jalen hurts. Both caplan and mosher put out there in their latest podcast that the Eagles didn’t even have a second round grade on Jalen hurts. They took him there because they didn’t wanna miss out like they did on Russell Wilson if they waited. Caplan even double down on it in another interview on 973 ESPN in AC saying they didn’t have a second round grade on him it was either a 3rd or 4th round grade. So they keep saying they were told that and the eagles never expected hurts to be a long term starter for them but use him like they did with AJ Feeley (their words not mine)

Another TIFWIW caplan and mosher discussed the Eagles interest in looking to acquire just Deshaun Watson before all these allegations took place. Caplan again double down in that 973 interview where he said the entire league knew the Eagles were looking into and attempting to make a deal for him before the allegations. So he added the entire league knew about their interests it wasn’t a secret in the interview. Also discussed the possibility of Russell Wilson.  So if Mosher and caplan are accurate in their reporting and add on the rumors with Zach Wilson from schefter, mortensen and rapoport it might just be the Eagles looking for a different long-term solution at QB before just going ahead with hurts as the starter. And not just hey we are interested but actively trying 

And let me just say I don’t agree with going out and getting a quarterback right now. I don’t think the Eagles are ready with the roster they have constructed to be trading away picks to get a quarterback and you don’t even know if Watson would waive his no trade clause (prior to allegations— now caplan and mosher say it’s unlikely until his off the field stuff is cleared and if confirmed he did makes the trade moot). I’ve been of the opinion the eagles should go with hurts in 2021 since the wentz trade. However I’m not so blind with loyalty to just dismiss every single report of the eagles looking for other alternatives or setting themselves up with enough ammo to acquire someone they can get

Wow, I never realized they were seriously going after Watson.  That said, I'm actually glad it didn't work out.  Whether Hurts is the future or not, this team is much better off building a solid foundation of youth, with the myriad of picks they have, over the next two seasons, imo.  Not to mention the cap would have been a disaster with Watson's 40 million cap hit in 2021 and 42 million cap hit in 2022. 

 It's much easier (and better overall, imo) to go out and get a veteran franchise QB via trade or free agency and paying him $40 mil a year, once you have a "inexpensive" foundation of young players, mosty on rookie contracts then it is to do it the other way around...since you would be giving up most of your high draft picks and $40 million in cap space and still need to "rebuild"....the difference is you would be rebuilding with mid-late draft picks and UDFA, etc  So the Eagles made the right move by sticking with Hurts, and keeping the picks, imo. If Hurts is "the guy" we should (pretty much) know it by the end of next season.  And if they want to move in a different direction after 1-2 years they shouldn't have issues getting a veteran franchise QB and paying him $40 million a year.   (Both Watson and Wilson were rumored to be available this year so good chance at least 1-2 more stud QB's could become available over the next 2 seasons or so)

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You basically are forced to cheer for Wentz to be good in Indianapolis next year because he has to play 75% of the snaps or 70% and they make the playoffs in order to get a first round pick. They are not going to continue to keep playing him if he stinks. So if he sucks and they’re not really competing with him they probably aren’t going to play him 75% of the snaps. So you’re going to get a second round pick instead of the first round pick.

The Eagles’ three first round picks will likely consist of their own (top 10), MIA will be around 12-14 as I don’t see them as a playoff team with Tua going solo, and IND somewhere between 21-24.  The Colts will be a playoff team and I think they win that division over TEN (JAX and HOU will both be bad).  
 

Wentz will play all season as long as he stays healthy; I don’t even know who the Colts’ backup QB is right now.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Wow, I never realized they were seriously going after Watson.  That said, I'm actually glad it didn't work out.  Whether Hurts is the future or not, this team is much better off building a solid foundation of youth, with the myriad of picks they have, over the next two seasons, imo.  Not to mention the cap would have been a disaster with Watson's 40 million cap hit in 2021 and 42 million cap hit in 2022. 

 It's much easier (and better overall, imo) to go out and get a veteran franchise QB via trade or free agency and paying him $40 mil a year, once you have a "inexpensive" foundation of young players, mosty on rookie contracts then it is to do it the other way around...since you would be giving up most of your high draft picks and $40 million in cap space and still need to "rebuild"....the difference is you would be rebuilding with mid-late draft picks and UDFA, etc  So the Eagles made the right move by sticking with Hurts, imo. If Hurts is "the guy" we should (pretty much) know it by the end of next season.  And if they want to move in a different direction after 1-2 years they shouldn't have issues getting a veteran franchise QB and paying him $40 million a year.   (Both Watson and Wilson were rumored to be available this year so good chance at least 1-2 more stud QB's could become available over the next 2 seasons or so)

I think watson seriousness was more the eagles loved his ability (top 10 QB), 26 years old and was likely obtainable with how the situation was going. Not that i would do it, but caplan explained it as the eagles looked at as they’d be getting a proven QB top 10 QB who’s also young which is harder to do acquire the draft and more risky  

I don’t necessarily think it was just the Eagles made the right move. Caplan also re-iterated in his 973 interview this watson/eagles thing still might not be over yet. Based on how he made it sound, lurie (and most teams) won’t allow for the move until this is resolved and he has to be found innocent of the situation. Caplan also went into whole legal masseuse drama is preventing any possibility that he gets traded to anyone at the moment. Caplan actually gave info from a personnel person on a team interested in watson that they might be sending people to Houston to gather info and see what exactly is the truth. Nobody’s going to make a move on this until they have a better handle on all the facts and whether he’s cleared or not from all this. 

his cap hit in 2021 was actually only 10.5 million or the team trading for him. Caplan and mosher discussed that as well. The 2022 season you’d likely be looking to restructure with him at 26. The money was less of the issue for 2021  

The other side to that story that hasn’t been talked about by caplan and mosher is whether or not they had information that Deshaun Watson would actually want to come here because he has a no trade clause. I can’t see Deshaun Watson (before all this legal stuff hit) wanting to go from Houston who is in a massive rebuild and dysfunctional to another team that’s in a rebuild. I think he wanted to go to a team ready to win and really just a QB a way. 

 

 

I was watching some stuff on Stanford QB Davis Mills and WR #13 just kept standing out...I just kept shaking my head and saying "we drafted the wrong big contested catch WR from Stanford."

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles’ three first round picks will likely consist of their own (top 10), MIA will be around 12-14 as I don’t see them as a playoff team with Tua going solo, and IND somewhere between 21-24.  The Colts will be a playoff team and I think they win that division over TEN (JAX and HOU will both be bad).  
 

Wentz will play all season as long as he stays healthy; I don’t even know who the Colts’ backup QB is right now.

i think the Dolphins likelt are a 7-9 win team which is likely the 12-18 range imo. 

I also don’t think Carson Wentz is going to play nearly as bad in 2021 as he was this past season. I think there’s a bunch of things going on here. Also that team is also better and has better coaching then we had last year so he likely looks better.

However you believe if wentz is playing as bad as he was here in 2020 that the colts all season play him to lose a potential higher draft pick? I don’t see them being ok with that. If he’s playing that bad does it really matter who their backup is? If he’s bad they aren’t going to just keep trotting him out there to lose their first. I suspect if he’s that bad after 6-8 weeks they likely pull him. Granted don’t think he’s gonna be that awful 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i think the Dolphins likelt are a 7-9 win team which is likely the 12-18 range imo. 

I also don’t think Carson Wentz is going to play nearly as bad in 2021 as he was this past season. I think there’s a bunch of things going on here. Also that team is also better and has better coaching then we had last year so he likely looks better.

However you believe if wentz is playing as bad as he was here in 2020 that the colts all season play him to lose a potential higher draft pick? I don’t see them being ok with that. If he’s playing that bad does it really matter who their backup is? 

I think you’re underestimating how dysfunctional the Eagles offense was the past 2 years.  Wentz will return to being a top 12 NFL QB; I’d bet a sizeable amount on it.  If Wentz stays healthy he will play virtually every snap of every game 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think you’re underestimating how dysfunctional the Eagles offense was the past 2 years.  Wentz will return to bring a top 12 NFL QB; I’d bet a sizeable amount on it.  If Wentz stays healthy he will play virtually every snap of every game 

 I just said I don’t think that happens and he likely doesn’t play nearly as bad due to better coaching and talent around him. That was more he was likely going to play well for Indy 

But i also gave you a hypothetical IF he plays that bad you think the colts gonna keep running him out there? In the hypothetical I don’t see the colts continuing to keep playing him. So we should be cheering for wentz to play well for the colts to secure that first 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think watson seriousness was more the eagles loved his ability (top 10 QB), 26 years old and was likely obtainable with how the situation was going. Not that i would do it, but caplan explained it as the eagles looked at as they’d be getting a proven QB top 10 QB who’s also young which is harder to do acquire the draft and more risky  

I don’t necessarily think it was just the Eagles made the right move. Caplan also re-iterated in his 973 interview this watson/eagles thing still might not be over yet. Based on how he made it sound, lurie (and most teams) won’t allow for the move until this is resolved and he has to be found innocent of the situation. Caplan also went into whole legal masseuse drama is preventing any possibility that he gets traded to anyone at the moment. Caplan actually gave info from a personnel person on a team interested in watson that they might be sending people to Houston to gather info and see what exactly is the truth. Nobody’s going to make a move on this until they have a better handle on all the facts and whether he’s cleared or not from all this. 

his cap hit in 2021 was actually only 10.5 million or the team trading for him. Caplan and mosher discussed that as well. The 2022 season you’d likely be looking to restructure with him at 26. The money was less of the issue for 2021  

The other side to that story that hasn’t been talked about by caplan and mosher is whether or not they had information that Deshaun Watson would actually want to come here because he has a no trade clause. I can’t see Deshaun Watson (before all this legal stuff hit) wanting to go from Houston who is in a massive rebuild and dysfunctional to another team that’s in a rebuild. I think he wanted to go to a team ready to win and really just a QB a way. 

 

 

Good insight. 

And personally, I'm not 100% sold on Watson as a "long term" franchise QB until he gets (at least) a few more playoff wins under his belt.  He has all the talent in the world from a "skill" perspective but he hasn't done much in the post season.  (1-2 career playoff record).  What's also concerning is that he passed for almost 5,000 yards, completed 70% of his passes and threw 32 TD passes, ran for another 444 yards and 3 TD's and yet his team only won 4 games?  How is that even possible?   And that also tells me his stats were likely padded due to playing against a lot of "prevent" defenses late in games when they were behind.  Regardless, as a franchise QB, if you pass for 5k yards you should be able to figure out a way to win more than 4 games, imo. 

Right now, the only way Wentz doesn’t play all season if healthy is if the Colts believe Eason will play better.  Seems unlikely. 

When was the last time that Caplan and Mosher were right about anything.  About the only way in the Covid draft that anyone knows how high they rated Hurts is if they were Weidl, Doug, Howie or Lurie. I say that is BS, especially since the Eagles board is well reported not to have round assignments   

As to Watson, he has a no trade clause. I don’t care how much or little the Eagles want Watson, he doesn’t want the Eagles. I mean, what a joke.  

23 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Good insight. 

And personally, I'm not 100% sold on Watson as a "long term" franchise QB until he gets (at least) a few more playoff wins under his belt.  He has all the talent in the world from a "skill" perspective but he hasn't done much in the post season.  (1-2 career playoff record).  What's also concerning is that he passed for almost 5,000 yards, completed 70% of his passes and threw 32 TD passes, ran for another 444 yards and 3 TD's and yet his team only won 4 games?  How is that even possible?   And that also tells me his stats were likely padded due to playing against a lot of "prevent" defenses late in games when they were behind.  Regardless, as a franchise QB, if you pass for 5k yards you should be able to figure out a way to win more than 4 games, imo. 

Go look at their defense it was not just worse than the eagles but way worse.

27th in points allowed at 29 per game.

Against the run they were dead last/32nd against the run.

And against the pass they were 24th.

Yards per game they were 30th only the jags and lions were worse.

In takeaways Houston finish the year with 9. Which would be 32nd or dead last in the league. 

they also are a dumpster fire as they fired their head coach after a handful of games midseason

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 I just said I don’t think that happens and he likely doesn’t play nearly as bad due to better coaching and talent around him. That was more he was likely going to play well for Indy 

But i also gave you a hypothetical IF he plays that bad you think the colts gonna keep running him out there? In the hypothetical I don’t see the colts continuing to keep playing him. So we should be cheering for wentz to play well for the colts to secure that first 

Why didn’t you say so?  If we want to throw hypotheticals around, let’s just say Hurts goes 17-0 as a starter next season, and it scarcely matters 

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Right now, the only way Wentz doesn’t play all season if healthy is if the Colts believe Eason will play better.  Seems unlikely. 

When was the last time that Caplan and Mosher were right about anything.  About the only way in the Covid draft that anyone knows how high they rated Hurts is if they were Weidl, Doug, Howie or Lurie. I say that is BS, especially since the Eagles board is well reported not to have round assignments   

As to Watson, he has a no trade clause. I don’t care how much or little the Eagles want Watson, he doesn’t want the Eagles. I mean, what a joke.  

The hypothetical/possibility exists he plays like he did in 2020. The Eagles didn’t even allow him to finish the season with how bad he played in 2020. So if he’s that bad again you believe the Colts are just going to allow it to continuously occur and lose their first rounder? Again hypothetical/possibility that’s not likely to occur. I can’t just completely dismiss it either. Frankly I actually think he is going to play like a top 15 QB 

You can downplay it or not believe it. That’s your prerogative. I’m gonna go on a limb and say those reporters aren’t just making stuff up and likely have some source telling them that. If you want to question their sources and the sources’ reliability by all means. however I don’t think caplan and mosher are just making it up and putting it out there. 

your last point is exactly what i said. The eagles might have had a ton of interest that doesn’t mean anything when watson has control of his destiny with a Ntc. Which is exactly why i said i can’t see him going from one rebuild and dysfunctional organization to another organization in a rebuild. 

4 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Why didn’t you say so?  If we want to throw hypotheticals around, let’s just say Hurts goes 17-0 as a starter next season, and it scarcely matters 

Did you read the initial post I made and the post i was responding too? Because I was responding to someone saying who’s rooting for wentz that’s talked in here lately. I said you are forced to be rooting for Carson Wentz next year to play well because you need him either to get the 70% of the snaps and make the playoffs or 75%. If he isn’t playing well and playing like he did in 2020 the colts aren’t allowing him to get to that number. your hypothetical isn’t remotely the same. There’s a possibility the colts and reich can’t fix Carson wentz and they don’t want to lose that pick 

frankly i think he plays well next year like you do. but that’s not written in stone as 100% guaranteed like you seemingly think. If he plays more like 2020 Wentz i do not think the colts are just going to say here you go eagles take our first rounder when they can control that. So back to the original point of you're kinda forced to root for him to play well for the colts in 2021. 

I've had some surprises watching the QB's in this draft class.  I had my pre-conceived notions based on scouting reports, chatter, and the highlights I had seen.  

Trevor Lawrence is the clear #1 overall, but I really don't see him as a "generational prospect."  100% of the generational QB's were not even viewed as such when they were prospects.  He could certainly be headed to the HOF, but the gap between him as a prospect and top 5 pick QB's in prior years isn't really in line with what others might lead you to believe.

Really wasn't thrilled with Wilson.  His name jumped into the top QB conversation overnight.  That's a red flag.  His play style is identical to Patrick Mahomes.  Mentioning Wilson and Mahomes in the same sentence is what will get him drafted #2 overall.  Per usual, I don't think this is going to go well for the Jets at all.  The Mahomes blueprint isn't something that is easy to recreate.  It may have worked a bit for Wilson at BYU, but I don't see that continuing in the pros.  There isn't a whole lot of pocket presence, methodical passing, or repeatable precision to his game.

Trey Lance is Carson Wentz 2.0...or Josh Allen, or Jordan Love.  Big arm, can make all the throws, great athlete.  But you've got to teach him everything else and it's anyone's guess how that will go.

I was surprised by Trask.  Every single scouting report basically describes him as a big, lumbering, low talent QB who was just along for the ride.  Everyone seems to question his arm strength.  I really wasn't seeing any functional deficit in arm strength compared to the QB's ranked at the top whose arm-talent has everyone salivating.  If not for his age, still not a deal breaker, I'd be very interested.  The biggest issue I saw with him, which no one really seems to mention, is an intermittent failure to set his feet in clean pockets.  Maybe that creates the impression of a weak arm, but both his flick-ability and overall zip seemed just fine to me...and likely better than fine.  We have his coach...so the Eagles should have a very accurate evaluation of this guy.

Mac Jones...well, he basically just had the best statistical passing season in NCAA history.  He was also potentially surrounded by the best supporting cast in NCAA history.  So what?  I'm more interested in someone who proves he can do everything with more than the guy who admirably does something with less.  He's accurate, has a feel for the game, and has proven that he can channel an otherworldly passing offense on his shoulders through his pocket passing.  What more do you want from a college QB prospect?  He belongs in the top 5 picks.

Davis Mills...sort of a 2012 Nick Foles type pick.  He looks like he has a nice feel for the pocket.  Arm strength looks nice.  Throws some good balls downfield.  Pure stats a bit behind the other guys, but he can command the pocket and make all the throws for sure.  Maybe that turns into something special, maybe he's a backup.  I'm not sure his chances of success are THAT much worse than any of the guys at the tippy top of this draft.  

Caplan in his podcast this week said he is hearing that there is no chance that Trey Lance goes in the top 10. DAL and NYG are definitely not drafting him, if he is there at #12, you gotta wonder about Howie pulling the trigger.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

i think the Dolphins likelt are a 7-9 win team which is likely the 12-18 range imo. 

I also don’t think Carson Wentz is going to play nearly as bad in 2021 as he was this past season. I think there’s a bunch of things going on here. Also that team is also better and has better coaching then we had last year so he likely looks better.

However you believe if wentz is playing as bad as he was here in 2020 that the colts all season play him to lose a potential higher draft pick? I don’t see them being ok with that. If he’s playing that bad does it really matter who their backup is? If he’s bad they aren’t going to just keep trotting him out there to lose their first. I suspect if he’s that bad after 6-8 weeks they likely pull him. Granted don’t think he’s gonna be that awful 

I will put any amount of money on the Dolphins not ending the season 7-9 next year. 
 

With our luck the added game will put Wentz just below the threshold for a 1st round pick. 

10 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Caplan in his podcast this week said there is no chance Trey lance goes in the top 10. DAL and NYG are definitely not drafting him, if he is there at #12, you gotta wonder about Howie pulling the trigger.

I know nothing about the guy other than scouting reports, but given that,  I don't see how you pass on a QB with that much talent at #12 unless there are work ethic or intelligence issues. If you think he can learn given enough time, then it's a no brainer type of decision because you're getting a QB with prototypical size, speed, athleticism, and arm strength to go along with good accuracy. It's just a question of if he can learn the playbook and execute it mentally. If so, he's a pro bowler.

19 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

I will put any amount of money on the Dolphins not ending the season 7-9 next year. 
 

With our luck the added game will put Wentz just below the threshold for a 1st round pick. 

I didn’t say they’d be a 7-9 team. I said a 7-9 win team. Which means winning around 7 to 9 games. They’d have to be 7-10 or 9-8 or 8-9 

the extra game definitely is an added factor.