9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Every time Quinn gave up more control of the defense the defense got better in Atlanta. Maybe he was spread too thin, but that would bother me if we hired him. 

He did well in Seattle but it's also fair to say that he inherited that defense and it would have been kinda hard to screw that up. But if it ends up being a bad hire and doesn't work out it's better for us in the long run anyway.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Today’s little pow wow is more proof Lurie has become a joke.   Why is the Owner of a team meeting with the Head Coach of the team without the General Manager of the team, present.  That is all you need to know about the state of this franchise.  

Pederson reports to Lurie, not Howie.  

 

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting thought. I load a bad contract with Doug to clear space. 

Can they trade Doug before the start of the new season? 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Might have to take a year off if Press Taylor is our OC. Good grief.

I would still watch, but it would be abysmal each and every week.

If the road to change comes through Press Taylor being OC, then I'm for it.  Right now I'm not betting on 2021 being a good season for the team.  

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Every time Quinn gave up more control of the defense the defense got better in Atlanta. Maybe he was spread too thin, but that would bother me if we hired him. 

The Cover-3 has been solved. Bringing in Quinn would be a nightmare.

29 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I would like to know if the 12 personnel emphasis came from Doug or Howie.  The combination of 12 personnel with a possession "power forward" X wr who moves like a TE...I'd also like to know who signed off on that one.

While I prefer NEITHER, one can make a defensible argument for one or the other...not both, not together.  Doing so represents a fatal lack of understanding of the direction of the NFL.

I actually blame that decision on torpedoing the foundation and future of this offense more than anything else.

Not sure because they brought in Rodgers when there was injuries from Ertz or Goedert. Could be that it started with Howie when he drafted Goedert but Doug just stuck with it even when we didn't have both TEs healthy

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting thought. I load a bad contract with Doug to clear space. 

They really are throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks

Sean Payton and the Saints are completely overrated. Regular season heroes, but playoff chumps. To wit:

2006, after the Katrina nightmare, they have an emotional season, beat Philly for their first playoff win, but come up flat in the NFC Champ game against the Bears, losing 39-14. Playoff record: 1-1 

They don't go back to the playoffs till 2009, where they end up winning it all. Playoff record 4-1.

2010, they get Beast Quaked outta the offs by 7-9 Seattle. Playoff record 4-2.

2011, back again, beating the Lions (like every single team that's ever played them in the playoffs has done), then losing a close one to San Fran. Playoff record 5-3.

2013 they return, beating us again, then losing to Seattle in the divisional round. Playoff record 6-4.

2017 is the next apperance! Losing in spectacular fashion, the Minnesota Miracle or whatever the hell it was. They did beat Carolina in the first round though. Playoff record 7-5.

2018, ah more crying when they lose to the Rams in OT, and of course, they beat us before getting to that game. Playoff record 8-6.

2019 - Lol, one and done with Minnesota again in OT. Playoff record at 8-7.

So, over 14 years, they've gone to the offs 8 times, winning it all once, and making 3 conference championships, of which they lost 2. 

 

They have completely owned us in the playoffs unfortunately. But the Saints are one of the most overrated teams in football. 

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I would like to know if the 12 personnel emphasis came from Doug or Howie.  The combination of 12 personnel with a possession "power forward" X wr who moves like a TE...I'd also like to know who signed off on that one.

While I prefer NEITHER, one can make a defensible argument for one or the other...not both, not together.  Doing so represents a fatal lack of understanding of the direction of the NFL.

I actually blame that decision on torpedoing the foundation and future of this offense more than anything else.

I think drafting Goedert was part of the reason.  The Eagles were also successful in 12 personnel.  The problem is that they lack the talent to create mismatches with other personnel. In effect it was there only consistently effective personnel grouping.  So when 12 personnel becomes the biggest part of your offense rather than a productive tool the issue is really the lack of talent at WR and coaching to be effective in other formations. 

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Not clear out the entire medical staff after we win the SB.

Not continue to pay guys like Alshon, Desean Jackson, Jason Peters, Darren Sproles

Not trade for Golden Tate

Not Trade for Avery

Not draft a TE in 2018 just because the Cowboys wanted him when you have only 1 pick in the first 3 rounds. 

Not draft JJAW.

Not continue to trot out Mack Hollins on offense.

Not draft Clayton Thorson

Don't reach in the first 3 rounds of the 2020 draft

In short, I wouldn't have let Howie Roseman make draft picks

I wouldn't have meddled in the offensive coaching decisions.  Either you trust the HC or he's not your guy. 

Not let LJ Fort go and start for someone else.

Fired anyone who thought Nate Gerry was an NFL linebacker.

Haloti Ngata???   WHY?

Mike Wallace??? WHY?

Donnel Pumphrey???!!  Have you seen the list of running backs that were taking in that draft and he was who we traded up for? 

Nickel Robey Coleman is awful! 

I know there is a lot more.  I should have kept a journal.  

 

Peters was fine through 2019, even though he was slipping, he was still in the top ten of LTs

Goedert was a solid pick, Ertz can't block, he's a H-back in a TE's body, Goedert gave us a real TE, doesn't everyone want to run the ball? Then you need a blocking TE.

JJAW was a bad pick, every team whiffs on probably a third of their top 100 picks or more. It happens.

Hollins was a 4th rd pick, top ST guy who was a depth WR and is still in the NFL in that role.

Thorson is what happens when you try to find backup QBs later in the draft, odds are about 1/10 of succeeding.

I don't buy Reagor was a reach, I suspect Pederson lobbied for him b/c he wanted a big play threat, he had Ertz as his possession receiver and obviously misused Agholor:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-reagor/32195245-4133-8982-9a32-957d59a1e153

they had Reagor, Pittman, Aiyuk, Higgins, Shenault, Edwards, Mims, Hamler and Claypool with similar grades. Basically all were considered late 1st to mid-2nd, depending on what you're looking for in a WR.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/jalen-reagor-underrated-2020-nfl-draft/

http://draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=1021862&DraftYear=2020

Hurts wasn't a reach, he may not be a top 20 NFL QB, but he's already a top backup and potential starter, good luck finding one of these in FA for less than $10M a year.

Taylor was #104, the only LB taken after him to play was Mykal Walker (#130) who started 6 games for a bad Falcon defense as a run down LB, and Crowder (#255) on the Giants. So most LBs taken after the first couple rds were ST players and "futures," just like Taylor and Bradley. Taylor has exceptional speed, whether it was a reach won't be known for two years, if he can be coached up, it could also be a "steal."

Losing Fort and Thornhill is on the coaches, they coach these guys, if they wanted Thornhill over another DE or Fort over another LB/ST guy, they'd lobby for them.

Ngata was depth, when they signed him they didn't know Jerrigan would only last 3 games. The other DTs were Vaeao and Hester.

Wallace replaced Smith, missed one game in nine seasons, had 746 yards receiving the year before, of course, becomes an Eagle and instantly is injured.

Pumphrey was a bad pick, wonder who lobbied for him as the new Sproles? Then they get the player they wanted in Pumphrey in Scott off the waiver wire.

Coleman has been bad, but if Schwartz could figure out how to use DBs, Maddox would be the slot guy, and of course, LeBlanc staying healthy would have helped.

If they keep Doug, everyone knows he is a lame duck coach. The team is bad,  and way over the cap and will be bad in 2021. We wont be as active in FA , and we cant draft to fill all the needs even if we hit on every draft pick we made, which we know aint happening with Howie. No OC hire will fix that, no new DC hire will fix that. If Doug stays,2021 will be a wasted year. Making Doug a Lame duck coach. 

 

No good OC/DC are coming to work for a lame duck HC. 

 

44 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Interesting thought. I load a bad contract with Doug to clear space. 

 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

If they keep Doug, everyone knows he is a lame duck coach. The team is bad,  and way over the cap and will be bad in 2021. We wont be as active in FA , and we cant draft to fill all the needs even if we hit on every draft pick we made, which we know aint happening with Howie. No OC hire will fix that, no new DC hire will fix that. If Doug stays,2021 will be a wasted year. Making Doug a Lame duck coach. 

No good OC/DC are coming to work for a lame duck HC. 

 

People want jobs.  I mean Dallas got a good OC when Garrett was clearly a lame duck.  I think you are over stating the problem.  

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Peters was fine through 2019, even though he was slipping, he was still in the top ten of LTs

Goedert was a solid pick, Ertz can't block, he's a H-back in a TE's body, Goedert gave us a real TE, doesn't everyone want to run the ball? Then you need a blocking TE.

JJAW was a bad pick, every team whiffs on probably a third of their top 100 picks or more. It happens.

Hollins was a 4th rd pick, top ST guy who was a depth WR and is still in the NFL in that role.

Thorson is what happens when you try to find backup QBs later in the draft, odds are about 1/10 of succeeding.

I don't buy Reagor was a reach, I suspect Pederson lobbied for him b/c he wanted a big play threat, he had Ertz as his possession receiver and obviously misused Agholor:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jalen-reagor/32195245-4133-8982-9a32-957d59a1e153

they had Reagor, Pittman, Aiyuk, Higgins, Shenault, Edwards, Mims, Hamler and Claypool with similar grades. Basically all were considered late 1st to mid-2nd, depending on what you're looking for in a WR.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/jalen-reagor-underrated-2020-nfl-draft/

http://draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=1021862&DraftYear=2020

Hurts wasn't a reach, he may not be a top 20 NFL QB, but he's already a top backup and potential starter, good luck finding one of these in FA for less than $10M a year.

Taylor was #104, the only LB taken after him to play was Mykal Walker (#130) who started 6 games for a bad Falcon defense as a run down LB, and Crowder (#255) on the Giants. So most LBs taken after the first couple rds were ST players and "futures," just like Taylor and Bradley. Taylor has exceptional speed, whether it was a reach won't be known for two years, if he can be coached up, it could also be a "steal."

Losing Fort and Thornhill is on the coaches, they coach these guys, if they wanted Thornhill over another DE or Fort over another LB/ST guy, they'd lobby for them.

Ngata was depth, when they signed him they didn't know Jerrigan would only last 3 games. The other DTs were Vaeao and Hester.

Wallace replaced Smith, missed one game in nine seasons, had 746 yards receiving the year before, of course, becomes an Eagle and instantly is injured.

Pumphrey was a bad pick, wonder who lobbied for him as the new Sproles? Then they get the player they wanted in Pumphrey in Scott off the waiver wire.

Coleman has been bad, but if Schwartz could figure out how to use DBs, Maddox would be the slot guy, and of course, LeBlanc staying healthy would have helped.

1st Peters missed a ton in 2019, he already couldn't stay on the field. His play was OK when he played. (Except for his normal 1-2 False starts a game) but he wasn't avail, you could not rely on him. Like Alshon. 

Hurts pick- just a waste of a 2nd round pick when we had so many other needs. It was a throwaway when your Franchise QB could have used some help this year. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

Hurts wasn't a reach, he may not be a top 20 NFL QB, but he's already a top backup and potential starter, good luck finding one of these in FA for less than $10M a year.

 

🤣 This is hysterical.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

People want jobs.  I mean Dallas got a good OC when Garrett was clearly a lame duck.  I think you are over stating the problem.  

You'd have to getEXTREMELY  lucky.......  that not only one really good Coordinator, but two of them are willing to come to the eagles (who everyone is aware of is a dysfunctional org right now, with a Franchise QB controversy etc) for basic exposure for a year. Up root whatever families they have for one year.

We need both an OC and a DC. 

 

Nah sorry, dont see that happening. 

1 hour ago, metal said:

I think that's a pretty good hire. Didn't work out as a head coach for him but I'm sure he'll do fine as a DC.

It'll be interesting to see how he does.  He was a good DC in Seattle but they were already good before him with Gus Bradley and Carroll. 

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

People want jobs.  I mean Dallas got a good OC when Garrett was clearly a lame duck.  I think you are over stating the problem.  

Doesn't Dallas have the OC doing play calling? Also Dallas has a lot of talent on offense

They could essentially right their ship quicker than us IMO

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

People want jobs.  I mean Dallas got a good OC when Garrett was clearly a lame duck.  I think you are over stating the problem.  

Right.  And if Pederson gets this turned around next season, he's not going to be a "lame duck".

 

https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I would like to know if the 12 personnel emphasis came from Doug or Howie.  The combination of 12 personnel with a possession "power forward" X wr who moves like a TE...I'd also like to know who signed off on that one.

While I prefer NEITHER, one can make a defensible argument for one or the other...not both, not together.  Doing so represents a fatal lack of understanding of the direction of the NFL.

I actually blame that decision on torpedoing the foundation and future of this offense more than anything else.

I cant imagine Howie telling the coaching staff that they have to run 12 personnel.

6 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Right.  And if Pederson gets this turned around next season, he's not going to be a "lame duck".

 

define "turned around" 

Before I bust a hernia laughing, I'd like to know what you think turned around looks like. 

17 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

1st Peters missed a ton in 2019, he already couldn't stay on the field. His play was OK when he played. (Except for his normal 1-2 False starts a game) but he wasn't avail, you could not rely on him. Like Alshon. 

Hurts pick- just a waste of a 2nd round pick when we had so many other needs. It was a throwaway when your Franchise QB could have used some help this year. 

 

 

Why does everyone conveniently forget that they gave Peters his walking papers after last season?  The only reason he was brought back was because Brooks went down and he was brought back to as a "role piece" and to play guard.  Then when Dillard went down, he was moved back to tackle.

Peters wasn't in their plans for 2020.  

Just now, Ace Nova said:

Why does everyone conveniently forget that they gave Peters his walking papers after last season?  The only reason he was brought back was because Brooks went down and he was brought back to as a "role piece" and to play guard.  Then when Dillard went down, he was moved back to tackle.

Peters wasn't in their plans for 2020.  

and yet when given the chance- Mailata outperformed him, and they still kept putting JP out there when they could?  nah, Mailata should have been playing, JP shouldn't have even been resigned. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/

Oops.  Blew that narrative right out of the water.