6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

define "turned around" 

Before I bust a hernia laughing, I'd like to know what you think turned around looks like. 

I would think going from 4-11-1 and to making the playoffs next season would be the likely goal.  (Obviously the goal is always the Super Bowl but I'm pretty sure Lurie's head's not in the sand and he realizes that this team needs a lot of work.)

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Why does everyone conveniently forget that they gave Peters his walking papers after last season?  The only reason he was brought back was because Brooks went down and he was brought back to as a "role piece" and to play guard.  Then when Dillard went down, he was moved back to tackle.

Peters wasn't in their plans for 2020.  

Because they did end up bringing him back. Even at guard, he then held them hostage for a pay increase to then move back to LT. He blocked Mailata's progress, and the team would've been better off if he never came back. He needed to retire, but got greedy for more money. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

You'd have to getEXTREMELY  lucky.......  that not only one really good Coordinator, but two of them are willing to come to the eagles (who everyone is aware of is a dysfunctional org right now, with a Franchise QB controversy etc) for basic exposure for a year. Up root whatever families they have for one year.

We need both an OC and a DC. 

 

Nah sorry, dont see that happening. 

I don't know that people in the NFL think the team is dysfunctional.  I think that's just hyperbole and kind of a meaningless term without any consequence.  Schwartz was given a free reign to run the defense how he wanted and input on personnel. I think that will appeal to a number of candidates.  The problem is the lack of talent in the secondary and LB level.  I do think coaches think that is fixable.  

I think there are plenty of talented offensive coaches that probably have a good relationship with Doug.  There's also likely college offensive coaches that want to be in the NFL.  

I am not expecting a great hire just because I don't see how this roster gets fixed.  I don't think a successful hire is out of the question because sports media says the team is dysfunctional.  

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/

This site "doesn't allow international traffic". WTF

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

and yet when given the chance- Mailata outperformed him, and they still kept putting JP out there when they could?  nah, Mailata should have been playing, JP shouldn't have even been resigned. 

Revisionist history. 

You would have been insane not to bring back Peters for 3 million a year and to go with an unknown rugby player to start off the season at tackle.  Not to mention the fact that Peters (according to PFF) outperformed Mailata for the first half of the season. 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Because they did end up bringing him back. Even at guard, he then held them hostage for a pay increase to then move back to LT. He blocked Mailata's progress, and the team would've been better off if he never came back. He needed to retire, but got greedy for more money. 

Revisionist history. 

You would have been insane not to bring back Peters for 3 million a year and to go with an unknown rugby player to start off the season at tackle.  Not to mention the fact that Peters (according to PFF) outperformed Mailata for the first half of the season. 

Howie "forced" Jim Schwartz on Doug. That was a GREAT decision by Howie. Don't apply revisionist history here.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I would like to know if the 12 personnel emphasis came from Doug or Howie.  The combination of 12 personnel with a possession "power forward" X wr who moves like a TE...I'd also like to know who signed off on that one.

While I prefer NEITHER, one can make a defensible argument for one or the other...not both, not together.  Doing so represents a fatal lack of understanding of the direction of the NFL.

I actually blame that decision on torpedoing the foundation and future of this offense more than anything else.

I know that this goes against the narrative that our organization is incompetent, but I think the move to 12 personnel was a smart, deliberate attempt to craft the offense to Wentz's strengths. It seemed that Wentz preferred the passing game to work from the inside-out. He appeared to be much more comfortable throwing between the hashes. In many ways, this is the complete opposite of how Foles and Hurts play. They tend to be sideline passers. For whatever reason, I think Wentz was much more comfortable making middle of the field reads. 

Now, coupling 12 personnel with Alshon/JJAW is ridiculous. From a philosophical perspective, I love the idea of a 12 personnel offense with two over-the-top type WRs. I think that was probably their mindset when drafting Reagor. A healthy Desean, Reagor, Ertz, and Goddert would, if all things worked out perfectly, be a nightmare to defend.

2 hours ago, austinfan said:

It won a SB, then got back to the playoffs the next two years with a legitimate shot at going deep into the playoffs.

People are overreacting to an injury plagued bad season on a team everyone knew had to start a rebuild at some point.

Before we won a SB, people were willing to do anything to win one, even if it meant years wandering through the desert.

Well, welcome to the NFL desert folks.

That's all well and fine. 

Many on here do not believe that Howie is the one to get us out of the desert.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Revisionist history. 

You would have been insane not to bring back Peters for 3 million a year and to go with an unknown rugby player to start off the season at tackle.  Not to mention the fact that Peters (according to PFF) outperformed Mailata for the first half of the season. 

Lol if you had your druthers we'd be trotting out Alshon, Djax, Peters and Sproles week 1 next year. I forgot who you were.

 

And the Peters/PFF thing...without looking it up, I seem to remember Mailata had one bad game (I think against the Giants), and they re-inserted Peters after that. Tell me, once Mailata had time to develop, did he turn in a better PFF rating in the last half of the season? Weird how actually playing helps you develop!

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I would think going from 4-11-1 and to making the playoffs next season would be the likely goal.  (Obviously the goal is always the Super Bowl but I'm pretty sure Lurie's head's not in the sand and he realizes that this team needs a lot of work.)

 

so you think it's possible Doug gets this team to the playoffs next year? knowing what we know now :

They are the most injured team the last 3 years

are way over the cap, most likely have to say goodbye to some of your better players

draft horribly

have a lack of talent

have a QB controversy

Need a new DC

need an OC

 

I'll take the under. It could happen, but here is what it would take:

Wentz not only is your QB but he gets back to MVP form due to Oline suddenly being good again, and WR's play well above their abilities (we certainly arent drafting or adding 3 top wr's in 2021). Doug decides to actually call a balanced game plan.

And the new DC figures out a way to keep teams from scoring 20+ every game with little to no LB & DB talent. (save for SLay)

 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

This site "doesn't allow international traffic". WTF

doesnt want commie influence...  lol  j/k

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol if you had your druthers we'd be trotting out Alshon, Djax, Peters and Sproles week 1 next year. I forgot who you were.

 

And the Peters/PFF thing...without looking it up, I seem to remember Mailata had one bad game (I think against the Giants), and they re-inserted Peters after that. Tell me, once Mailata had time to develop, did he turn in a better PFF rating in the last half of the season? Weird how actually playing helps you develop!

agreed!

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I would think going from 4-11-1 and to making the playoffs next season would be the likely goal.  (Obviously the goal is always the Super Bowl but I'm pretty sure Lurie's head's not in the sand and he realizes that this team needs a lot of work.)

 

Depending on what kind of year Dak has and what kind of QB WTF manages to find on short notice, 7-8 wins should still take the NFCE next year.  

I'd take clarity, playoffs or not.  If Doug figures out the QB situation and builds an offense with weapons that appears to have a clear path to eventually becoming something special...then he can stay.

Backing into the NFCE title with an offense that exhibits the same fatal flaws, smoke, and mirrors that we've seen for the past 3 years...that does nothing for me.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Exactly how would have anyone done the last three years differently. And don't give me 20/20 hindsight drafting and signings. Everyone is a 20/20 hindsight genius.

Eagles would probably have beat Seattle if Clowney doesn't take out Wentz. They had a shot at beating NO if Jeffrey makes that catch. That's all you ask for, is a real shot.

The Chip drafts were the killer: 2014/2015, the guys who would be in their peak seasons the last three years - the guys still in the league from those drafts:

Agholor, Rowe, Hicks, Matthews, Watkins, Allen. Rowe was a coaching miss, Agholor had his best season away from Pederson, Hicks couldn't stay healthy.

Only one player from the 2016 draft is out of the league, Wentz, Seumalo, Smallwood, Vaitai, Countess, Mills, Walker

Five of eight players from the 2017 draft are still playing: Barnett, Jones, Douglas, Hollins, Gerry

The five players from the 2018 draft are still playing: Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Pryor, Mailata

Too early to judge the 2019/2020 drafts, how do judge Dillard for example, you can't evaluate the odds of a bicep tear two years after the draft. If Dillard is the starting LT, they hit on two of five picks. 2020 everyone played, even Thornhill who was picked up off waivers.

Sullivan (UDFA 2018) is starting elsewhere.

Since 2016, we've produced a lot of starters, unfortunately many for other teams - and that's primarily on the coaches.

 

Afan is showing his lawyerly skills by framing the argument. On the one hand he calls for retrodiction, on the other he nullifies the use of empiricism. 

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

Afan is showing his lawyerly skills by framing the argument. On the one hand he calls for retrodiction, on the other he nullifies the use of empiricism. 

Excuse me sir, the words you're using are too big. Dumb it down for us please. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Depending on what kind of year Dak has and what kind of QB WTF manages to find on short notice, 7-8 wins should still take the NFCE next year.  

I'd take clarity, playoffs or not.  If Doug figures out the QB situation and builds an offense with weapons that appears to have a clear path to eventually becoming something special...then he can stay.

Backing into the NFCE title with an offense that exhibits the same fatal flaws, smoke, and mirrors that we've seen for the past 3 years...that does nothing for me.

The best thing this team has going for it is the division we play in. They could be in the running again with a losing record next year. It is also the worst thing, because if not for being in the running we would have been eliminated sooner, and maybe more focused on developing young players earlier than waiting for the last game of the season. 

 

Yeah not interested in status quo. 

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

https://fanbuzz.com/nfl/highest-paid-backup-qbs/

And how many would you want to start a game for you?

We saw Hill, Hurts clearly out played him.

Basically Dalton.

Trubisky wasn't drafted #2 to backup on his rookie contract, and he's starting again.

Alex Smith is shot, Mariota maybe, though he played his way out of a starting job with Henry at RB, AJ Brown at WR and a solid OL.

Keenum (one good season in 2017, otherwise bleech), McCarron, Daniels et al.  No thanks.

Which is why most of these guys didn't get paid, they're not very good.

Fitzpatrick is the one exception, since he got cut in 2013, he's been the best backup at the right price, averaging about $7.5M over 8 seasons. Except he keeps leaving to find a situation where he can start.

4 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Afan is showing his lawyerly skills by framing the argument. On the one hand he calls for retrodiction, on the other he nullifies the use of empiricism. 

Look at you with the superfluous use of vocabulary. 

23 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol if you had your druthers we'd be trotting out Alshon, Djax, Peters and Sproles week 1 next year. I forgot who you were.

 

And the Peters/PFF thing...without looking it up, I seem to remember Mailata had one bad game (I think against the Giants), and they re-inserted Peters after that. Tell me, once Mailata had time to develop, did he turn in a better PFF rating in the last half of the season? Weird how actually playing helps you develop!

Smh.

The team was still very much in contention for most of the season so despite the revisionist (magical) 20/20 hindsight vision this blog seems to have, playing the players they felt would give the team the best opportunity to win that week is who they started.  Simple, really.

They don't just "start players" to help them "develop".  That is something that is done in the pre-season NOT during the regular season when you are trying to make the playoffs, etc.

That said, I've always been a huge Mailata fan and imo, he's cemented the starting LT position for years to come.  (Maybe even switch back over to RT, depending on what happens with Johnson).  Either way, I'd expect him to be starting at tackle for years to come. 

 

18 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Revisionist history. 

You would have been insane not to bring back Peters for 3 million a year and to go with an unknown rugby player to start off the season at tackle.  Not to mention the fact that Peters (according to PFF) outperformed Mailata for the first half of the season. 

Knowing Peters couldn't stay health last year, I called out the JP signing as bad when he signed as OG, when he later resigned for LT I was against it. I have been consistent. My Prediction was the same for Djax, didn't like the signing last year. Nor Alshons. 

Paying old oft injured guys hoping they return to form and stay healthy is just a bad idea

 

19 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Because they did end up bringing him back. Even at guard, he then held them hostage for a pay increase to then move back to LT. He blocked Mailata's progress, and the team would've been better off if he never came back. He needed to retire, but got greedy for more money. 

He didn't block Mailata's progress, Mailata was struggling, ended up giving up 7.5 sacks in 12 starts or so, great promise but inconsistent, especially the first half.

Eagles had a shot at the playoffs if they could stabilize the OL, Peters had two solid games before the toe gave out and he was cooked.

If Peters holds up, Mailata comes back at RT, and the season might have been salvaged. In this division, that was worth a gamble.

One myth is that playing necessarily speeds your development, see Justice for example, sometimes it can bury you if you're not ready.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Smh.

The team was still very much in contention for most of the season so despite the revisionist (magical) 20/20 hindsight vision this blog seems to have, playing the players they felt would give the team the best opportunity to win that week is who they started.  Simple, really.

They don't just "start players" to help them "develop".  That is something that is done in the pre-season NOT during the league year when you are trying to make the playoffs, etc.

That said, I've always been a huge Mailata fan and imo, he's cemented the starting LT position for years to come.  (Maybe even switch back over to RT, depending on what happens with Johnson).  Either way, I'd expect him to be starting at tackle for years to come. 

 

In contention? You realize the 4 wins this year came against Nick Mullens, Daniel Jones (who would've beaten us if not for that jerk Ebron), Ben f'ing DiNucci, and Taysom Hill. You consider that being in contention?

36 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Right.  And if Pederson gets this turned around next season, he's not going to be a "lame duck".

 

 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

In contention? You realize the 4 wins this year came against Nick Mullens, Daniel Jones (who would've beaten us if not for that jerk Ebron), Ben f'ing DiNucci, and Taysom Hill. You consider that being in contention?

They weren't eliminated from the playoffs until week 15, so obviously that's a yes. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

He didn't block Mailata's progress, Mailata was struggling, ended up giving up 7.5 sacks in 12 starts or so, great promise but inconsistent, especially the first half.

Eagles had a shot at the playoffs if they could stabilize the OL, Peters had two solid games before the toe gave out and he was cooked.

If Peters holds up, Mailata comes back at RT, and the season might have been salvaged. In this division, that was worth a gamble.

One myth is that playing necessarily speeds your development, see Justice for example, sometimes it can bury you if you're not ready.

Oh please, everybody knew signing Peters before the season started was a bad idea. If Doug was a good coach, considering Lurie's extremely long leash, he could've easily spun that they were going with a youth movement this year, to build for a future. I think Lurie would have absolutely given him the time he needed to try and move forward. Instead, we tried to rely on Alshon, Desean, Peters and another year of a ridiculous amount of injuries to take a "shot". 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

They weren't eliminated from the playoffs until week 15, so obviously that's a yes. 

Bahahahahahahahahaha.