I’m guessing that 7th round is skewed because of Edelman 

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

Howie is public enemy number 1 because of his incompetence, but you know that. I don't have an issue with moving back up (depending on cost) if they really love a player, but then why not just sit at 6 and take the player if you're that fond of him? Further, I really hate the idea of presumably trading up for a WR when this team is no where close to being good, so I really hope that isn't the play here.

The only player I could see them moving back up for is a QB. If Fields or Lance falls to 9 or 10. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

It remains to be seen what Hurts will be as a passing QB in the NFL, but it is accurate to say Lamar Jackson is quite limited as a passer.  He was a 57% passer in his college years, and in 2019 he was uber-efficient because of a trio of TE targets the Ravens ran the offense through.

Both Hurts and Jackson are the same, in that if the defense closes off their running lanes as DAL did to Hurts, neither QB is ultimately going to be successful.  Jackson has better speed and mobility; Hurts is stronger.  As it stands now, I’d rate them pretty much the same in terms of my confidence in their passing abilities.

Jackson is no Rodgers or Mahomes but to say Hurts is way better is blasphemous. 

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m guessing that 7th round is skewed because of Edelman 

Only using SB champions is a tough data point for this. If you add SB appearances, the later-rounds look better (Edelman, Hill, Sanders, Woods, etc.). 

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

Only using SB champions is a tough data point for this. If you add SB appearances, the later-rounds look better (Edelman, Hill, Sanders, Woods, etc.). 

Maybe. But then in recent years you would be adding Robert Woods (2), Deebo Samuel (2), Julio Jones (1), Demariyus Thomas (1), Ginn (1)

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe. But then in recent years you would be adding Robert Woods (2), Deebo Samuel (2), Julio Jones (1), Demariyus Thomas (1), Ginn (1)

Julio Jones not having a ring is sad.

We don't talk about enough about Newton's 2015 season. His WRs were Ginn, Cotchery and Brown!

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

We don't talk about enough about Newton's 2015 season. His WRs were Ginn, Cotchery and Brown!

.... and their schedule was marshmallowy soft; one of the easiest schedules in NFL history.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Julio Jones not having a ring is sad.

We don't talk about enough about Newton's 2015 season. His WRs were Ginn, Cotchery and Brown!

They may have won if they didn't have to face that elite defense Denver had at the time

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

If Howie wants to move back to #9, it would cost him Indy's 3rd rd pick. And he still has the extra 1st rd pick in 2022.

Moving to 8th would cost Philly's own pick at #70, with maybe Carolina's 5th coming back.

I don't think he's planning to move up at all, rather, he just wants to know if Denver or Carolina might be willing to trade down if they don't want the player available at #8 or #9, and someone like Chase, Pitts or a QB they like falls unexpectedly.

Be prepared! To get a player you thought would be gone at #6 at #8 or #9 would be hitting the jackpot.

Why trade out of #6 then? Because getting an extra 1st next year is a sure thing, hoping a player drops unexpectedly is betting on a long shot. But in the draft, strange things happen at times.

 

 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I think it's just as you say -- be prepared.

The Eagles will be opportunistic. If a bunch of QBs go quickly then maybe you can make a small move back up and get the top positional player at their position. Likewise, maybe one of the QBs they like falls, and you can grab your franchise prospect while still having that leftover extra future first for a rapid rebuild.

Absolutely, just like you are prepared and when a LT falls, you jump up and take him, even if you never met with him to find out if he likes football or not... and don't have an answer to the question: "why are these other teams passing on him?"   Dillard might work out, but being prepared means just that, especially in the first round.  Do ALL your homework, not just the homework you expect that the teacher will check.

 

Hopefully they are doing all the homework that they can right now on those possibilities, unlike 2019;

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

my UDFA RB target. Loved watching this guy run it when I watched Maryland/PSU this year. Didnt know he was in the draft. I was just doing the PFN mock and for the last pick I scrolled all the way to the end of the list to check out some unknown prospects, and I found Funk.

 

Oooh... yeah!    Let's find that funk!

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m guessing that 7th round is skewed because of Edelman 

Nah.  Forget about first and second round picks.   Just load up on 7th round WRs!

 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Trading for more 2022 picks please.

Just now, RLC said:

Trading for more 2022 picks please.

That's what Howie did right. 

2 hours ago, greend said:

Keep telling yourself stuff like this.

Maybe he’ll get someone to believe it ... including himself.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's what Howie did right. 

Yup.  Rolling some 2021 capital into 2022 with the trade down was smart.  Taking the majority of the Wentz compensation in 2022 was smarter.  Any other vets on the trading block should have been exclusively for 2023 picks.  

 

I don't think the 2021 draft is thin, just unpredictable.  

- top end QB that is much better than most years.  Then you've got 4 first round quality passers after him.  

- Best receiving TE prospect in years, maybe ever according to some.

- Blindside LT prospect that is better than the top OL in most drafts, better than OL who have gone top 2 in the past, yet might not even go top 5 in this draft.  

- Multiple CBs with shut-down potential.

- Innumerable WR's with round 1-2 talent and upside.

- Elite linebacker.

- Really good depth and high end athleticism likely extending from late round 1 into round 2 at edge rusher

 

What is lacks:

- True elite edge

- True prototype WR

- Monster interior OL

- Appealing high end ball hawk safety

 

That's not a bad draft.  It's just harder to do your homework on it.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think the 2021 draft is thin, just unpredictable.  

- top end QB that is much better than most years.  Then you've got 4 first round quality passers after him.  

- Best receiving TE prospect in years, maybe ever according to some.

- Blindside LT prospect that is better than the top OL in most drafts, better than OL who have gone top 2 in the past, yet might not even go top 5 in this draft.  

- Multiple CBs with shut-down potential.

- Innumerable WR's with round 1-2 talent and upside.

- Elite linebacker.

- Really good depth and high end athleticism likely extending from late round 1 into round 2 at edge rusher

 

What is lacks:

- True elite edge

- True prototype WR

- Appealing high end ball hawk safety

 

That's not a bad draft.  It's just harder to do your homework on it.

I don’t think it’s the top 3-4 rounds that is weaker. I think it’s rounds 5-7. The numbers just aren’t there apparently. 

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think the 2021 draft is thin, just unpredictable.  

- top end QB that is much better than most years.  Then you've got 4 first round quality passers after him.  

- Best receiving TE prospect in years, maybe ever according to some.

- Blindside LT prospect that is better than the top OL in most drafts, better than OL who have gone top 2 in the past, yet might not even go top 5 in this draft.  

- Multiple CBs with shut-down potential.

- Innumerable WR's with round 1-2 talent and upside.

- Elite linebacker.

- Really good depth and high end athleticism likely extending from late round 1 into round 2 at edge rusher

 

What is lacks:

- True elite edge

- True prototype WR

- Monster interior OL

- Appealing high end ball hawk safety

 

That's not a bad draft.  It's just harder to do your homework on it.

During the season there were people that were saying the drop off from Trevor to the others is big. That still the case?

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

During the season there were people that were saying the drop off from Trevor to the others is big. That still the case?

As a prospect, Lawrence is much better than all of them. He has both a high floor and a high ceiling, which is why he's #1 overall.

But if you're giving me the field, I'd bet that at least one of Wilson-Fields-Lance-Jones has a better career than Lawrence. 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

During the season there were people that were saying the drop off from Trevor to the others is big. That still the case?

I think it’s more so Trevor just being a generational talent. Fields and Wilson can be great in the right situation. Jones can be good in the right situation. Lance seems like he could be great in the right situation but far less polished than Fields or Wilson. 

Odds are at least 3 of top 5 QBs flop , that is just the way it ends up far far more often than not .

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

 

Looks to have good patience vision through the hole,good lean as well.

He doesn't look like a burner or like he's going to make a lot of guys miss but seems he gets into high gear quick and doesn't lose that speed when changing direction.

14 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Looks to have good patience vision through the hole,good lean as well.

He doesn't look like a burner or like he's going to make a lot of guys miss but seems he gets into high gear quick and doesn't lose that speed when changing direction.

Yeah he has lots 4.4 speed and gets there quickly but seems to lose it late in a long run. 

But at 225 with that patience and lean he my big back/Howard replacement. 

He reminds me on Connor