1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol maybe they should bring back the Chippah....at least he knew how to get rid of players....

Chip figured out how to get rid of Howie.  Give him that.  He lost the rematch though.

I could tolerate 1 year of Chip as HC if they could bring him back just to "Howie" Howie, "Desean" Desean, and "Foles" Wentz.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Can they trade Doug before the start of the new season? 

This is an interesting question... 

This is getting fun.

Some part of you has to feel bad for Pederson no matter what you think about him

Do they really expect him to have this huge network of coaching candidates??  They know who they hired when they brought him on.

Anyone he suggests outside of the Eagles family would just be a guess on his part. So he's probably going with who he knows, even if its less than ideal

 

Lurie needs to get a grip on this asap.  They continue to put him in positions of failure and its rolling right downhill to the team

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

His plan was to do absolutely nothing

His answer will be to have Howie do it, or suggest some low level coach from the Andy Reid tree. Fire this moron.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

If the road to change comes through Press Taylor being OC, then I'm for it.  Right now I'm not betting on 2021 being a good season for the team.  

We are going to be terrible next season unless somehow miraculously Wentz and co. recapture 2017 magic.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Can they trade Doug before the start of the new season? 

I'd imagine so.

1. He's not a player so doesn't fall under the CBA

2. Coaches get fired/hired before the league year, so why would a trade be any different as long as it doesn't include a player

3. Precedence shows Gruden trade was official in February. It's a long time ago so things may have changed since though. 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

We are going to be terrible next season unless somehow miraculously Wentz and co. recapture 2017 magic.

Which probably isn't going to happen with nearly the exact same coaching staff that oversaw his dramatic regression this past season.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Hurts wasn't a reach, he may not be a top 20 NFL QB, but he's already a top backup and potential starter, good luck finding one of these in FA for less than $10M a year.

Wow.  You do realize how much the Eagles signed Foles for before the 2017 season, right? 2 years, $11M total.
Andy Dalton just signed with Dallas - 1 year, $3M.
Ryan Fitzpatrick - 2 years, $13.8M.
Case Keenum - 3 years, $18M.
Tyrod Taylor - 2 years, $11M 

and Nick Foles just signed with the Bears for 3 years, $24M.  

All of these guys are what I would consider 'top backups' and each of them signed for a significant chunk less than $10M/year.

 

Should I keep going, or do you want to back down off your ridiculous statement?  

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Some part of you has to feel bad for Pederson no matter what you think about him

Do they really expect him to have this huge network of coaching candidates??  They know who they hired when they brought him on.

Anyone he suggests outside of the Eagles family would just be a guess on his part. So he's probably going with who he knows, even if its less than ideal

 

Lurie needs to get a grip on this asap.  They continue to put him in positions of failure and its rolling right downhill to the team

That's a great point.  When they hired Andy Reid, I remember one of the most impressive things was how AR had a huge binder with different coaches and staff alignments he wanted to work with.

It really feels like DP is just throwing darts at who's left of who he might know.

 

Doug needs to go if that is true....

16 minutes ago, wtfcares said:

Not sure if this was discussed or not, but apparently eagles were offered opportunity to coach senior bowl team and they declined. 
 

Speaks to the huge mess of the team. Usually that’s an excellent opportunity to get a huge advantage in scouting for draft. 

You have to have your HC and majority of coaches return. With everything up in the air they probably didn't have much of a choice.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Some part of you has to feel bad for Pederson no matter what you think about him

Do they really expect him to have this huge network of coaching candidates??  They know who they hired when they brought him on.

Anyone he suggests outside of the Eagles family would just be a guess on his part. So he's probably going with who he knows, even if its less than ideal

 

Lurie needs to get a grip on this asap.  They continue to put him in positions of failure and its rolling right downhill to the team

Yea but Doug is not doing himself any favors if he REALLY wants to remain HC here. I mean when your job is potentially on the line and you come up with some in house promotions while the league is steadily changing, I mean come on. No wonder Lurie is a little taken back that Doug doesn’t seem to be exercising different avenues to help this team the best way possible. 
 

Now for Howie that’s another story and yes I feel bad for the lack of talent we have to coach but in reality if Doug wants to consider himself a good coach then you need to not be so stubborn and find sources outside of the organization. 

A better question is what backup QB's are out there making more than $10M per year? Only one I know of is Taysom Hill at $10.5M

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

His plan was to do absolutely nothing

Bringing in an analyst to be QB coach? Should have fired him on the spot

"or be willing once again to allow Howie Roseman to be involved in process"

If he's referring to the OC committee then that was a horrible idea as well

Lurie needs to just grow a par and fire both. Hurry up and start the hiring process

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

A better question is what backup QB's are out there making more than $10M per year? Only one I know of is Taysom Hill at $10.5M

Brissett (15M). Alex Smith was the backup too (23M).

Some others are close. 

Mariota (8.8M), Foles (8M), Fitzpatrick (8M), Tyrod Taylor (7.5M)...

7 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

Yea but Doug is not doing himself any favors if he REALLY wants to remain HC here. I mean when your job is potentially on the line and you come up with some in house promotions while the league is steadily changing, I mean come on. No wonder Lurie is a little taken back that Doug doesn’t seem to be exercising different avenues to help this team the best way possible. 
 

Now for Howie that’s another story and yes I feel bad for the lack of talent we have to coach but in reality if Doug wants to consider himself a good coach then you need to not be so stubborn and find sources outside of the organization. 

Where should he find those individuals?  Its not like he has a ton of spare time to network

This is disturbing to me.  A) that it's being leaked by someone, no idea if its true or not and B) if it is true, they put Doug in an impossible situation

Feels like a scape goat kind of move.  Lurie owns his decision making with respect to how hes handled Doug.  He has been emasculating him for years but now all of a sudden wants

Doug to steer some grand re-organization of the coaching staff???   Come on, we may have been born at night....

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Brissett (15M). Alex Smith was the backup too (23M).

Some others are close. 

Mariota (8.8M), Foles (8M), Fitzpatrick (8M), Tyrod Taylor (7.5M)...

I wouldn’t count Smith, he was signed to be the starter and became the backup by default because they couldn’t get out of his contract after a horrific injury. 

38 minutes ago, RLC said:

This plan is insane.

2021 will be a wasted year

56 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Revisionist history. 

You would have been insane not to bring back Peters for 3 million a year and to go with an unknown rugby player to start off the season at tackle.  Not to mention the fact that Peters (according to PFF) outperformed Mailata for the first half of the season. 

Count me as insane then.   Bringing back a 39 year old oft-injured LT to play RG wasn't a great idea.  I'd have pursued Kyle Long very hard, and said so at the time.   Giving in to Peters' extortion when Dillard got hurt was even dumber.

 

And please tell me more about the PFF rankings... I never get enough of that.   

Mailata was an unknown and the team seemed unsure what he was going to do... at the start of training camp.  So, they decided to go a different direction.  Can't exactly fault them on that.  However, turning back to Peters was a HUGE mistake.  Even riding Pryor would have been a better move, imo.   Not because he was better, but because he was likely to be healthy and give you a shot at cohesion.  Peters being in the lineup was like using gum to plug up the hole in a dam.   Its not a solution... and its not even going to last very long as a temporary solution. 

Peters wore down (shock of all shocks!). And he wore down in only about 2 or maybe at most 3 games.   Once he got hurt and Mailata proved he wasn't a complete embarrassment out there, Peters should have never been put back at LT.  Mailata showed enough to warrant riding him and letting him work through his struggles.  But, the MONEY (and reputation) dictated that Peters get whatever Peters wanted.   The inmates running the asylum.  

Peters couldn't finish games in 2018 or 2019 and pulled himself out whenever he felt like it.  He struggled in 2016 to finish games, and even missed some then.  The idea that 'Peters was good when he was healthy' is all I need to hear to know that there's no answer.   Peters' health was in decline and players get LESS reliable as they age, not more reliable, due to injury.  They needed to work on a succession plan at LT far sooner than they did because while he was still serviceable when he was available... his availability started to wane and his 'dominance' was gone.  He was just an average LT starting around 2018.  He had moments where he'd look like the guy from years before... and then moments he'd look like an old man.  There's a reason he was sneaking out of his stance as quick as he possibly could... he wasn't fast enough out of his stance anymore to hold the edge reliably so he'd cheat to help himself.

39 minutes ago, RLC said:

This plan is insane.

Were these his suggestions for the first meeting or the one they had today? Either way, there's clearly an incongruous alignment with goals and strategy, and you have to move on from Doug. You can't keep giving him these homework assignments to come up with a plan/vision and he brings this to the table. It's a waste of time at this point. And if you bring him back, you're bringing back a coach who is unhappy and is not a fit with the owner's vision. This a complete mess. 

Well, this ultimately is Lurie’s fault. You had big, bad Chip who alienated employees so you had to over-correct and find someone with "emotional intelligence”. And you found a guy with so much emotional intelligence he is beyond scared to fire anyone or hold anyone accountable and will just promote anyone regardless if they actually deserve it. Good work.

39 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And our front office signed more old guys and drafted like ish.   

Absolutely... hence the need to dump them all.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I feel bad for asking my 6 year old to do physics 

I dont feel bad for a former  quarterback, whos been part of the league for 30 years  to call/design plays for a specific QB to succeed 

Ive been as critical of Doug as just about anyone

But the equivalent to your comparison would be:. 

You have been doing your 6 year old's physics (wow what a smart 6 yo) homework for the past few years, and then demanding to know what his/her favorite physics text book is.  He/she wouldnt know, they havent been doing physics

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Where should he find those individuals?  Its not like he has a ton of spare time to network

This is disturbing to me.  A) that it's being leaked by someone, no idea if its true or not and B) if it is true, they put Doug in an impossible situation

Feels like a scape goat kind of move.  Lurie owns his decision making with respect to how hes handled Doug.  He has been emasculating him for years but now all of a sudden wants

Doug to steer some grand re-organization of the coaching staff???   Come on, we may have been born at night....

I’m not saying those guys are always available but dig deep! Scout the college guys and try to find the Joe Brady’s or the Kellen Moore’s. Whether it’s college or NFL pipeline you have to take a chance, telling Lurie that your plan is to promote within doesn’t seem very promising when these are coaches who’ve been here the last 3 years when we have declined each and every year. Doug is one loyal SOB but he may be too loyal. We need better coaches across the board