Get mccown in here as qb coach at least

49 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is somehow making Howie look better.

That's the point.  Who do you think is leaking all of this?

13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

2021 will be a wasted year

It will be.  It was mostly going to be any way.   BUT... it would be a great time to get some younger players into games and help them get the reps that they so desperately need.   A new coaching staff would be beneficial, because I don't trust the people who haven't been able to develop the youth of this team in the past few years to all of a sudden figure that out now.

So, the reality is that 2021 is a wasted year... they throw a bunch of money into dead hits for 2022 as well trying to only partially deal with the 2021 mess... and they hamstring 2022 tremendously as well... making it the true 'bottoming out', rather than just starting to turn it out.

Did this meeting happen/finish yet?

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well, this ultimately is Lurie’s fault. You had big, bad Chip who alienated employees so you had to over-correct and find someone with "emotional intelligence”. And you found a guy with so much emotional intelligence he is beyond scared to fire anyone or hold anyone accountable and will just promote anyone regardless if they actually deserve it. Good work.

We won the Super Bowl.

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive been as critical of Doug as just about anyone

But the equivalent to your comparison would be:. 

You have been doing your 6 year old's physics (wow what a smart 6 yo) homework for the past few years, and then demanding to know what his/her favorite physics text book is.  He/she wouldnt know, they havent been doing physics

6 year olds understand physics.  The issue is how deep do you go with them.   

 

The problem I've run into isn't the 6 year old's understanding of physics... it's the flawed understanding of the teachers who embed their own misunderstandings into the minds of the youngsters.   Most of my time is spent undoing what previous teachers have done to students... and as my son went through the schools... he'd bring home the physics he was doing along the way and it just made me sad many flat out incorrect things were put forward to these kids as factual that were 100% incorrect.  

I did a research project one year looking at the middle school level books that were designed to help kids understand basic physics and not a single one of them accurately discussed force and motion without dropping in a misconception along the way.   It got worse when the misconception then became the foundation of the next concept they tried to delve into.    It just made me sick.

Just because Howie Roseman is the problem, doesn't mean Doug isn't a problem. He clearly is. Play calling and schemes aside, those recommendations are a total joke. He clearly doesn't get it. And if anything, if the power struggle did come down to Howie vs Doug, after Doug made those asinine recommendations, Howie could go to Lurie and say "See? Told ya he's the problem. Look at how lost he is"

It takes 2-3 years to build a young core from scratch, we started this year, we'll need two more years.

Which makes 2023 offseason the perfect time to add FAs once you know where you need to patch, and what FA bargain you should pursue.

I think Howie will approach the next couple offseasons like 2016, focus on becoming competitive instead of patching your way into the playoffs.

He's always been good at finding UDFAs, waiver wire SFAs and raiding PS squads, too bad his coaches couldn't recognize which players to keep the last few years.

I have no problem with the collaborative process with the right people, the strong GM model depends on the perfect GM, the strong HC model has the same issue, the collaborative model requires the right people as well, smart people who can work together and aren't power mad. I think AR needed to be chastened before being able to accept his limitations.

Pederson was fine coaching a veteran team that needed a light hand as long as he had Reich, Schwartz is a good DC for a good offensive team, that is, his style is more suited to playing with a lead when he can unleash the dogs of war (the DL). Pederson is the wrong coach for a rebuild and doesn't seem comfortable bringing in a strong OC.

Why even bother trying to retain Doug if you hate his initial plan? He won’t be able to attract high level candidates because he looks like a lame duck at best. 

Lurie is delusional. Just fire him if you don’t trust his recommendations. 

Clearly Doug wants to work with people he knows and he doesn't want his thoughts or ideas challenged.  He just wants "YES" guys on his staff.  So gross after the season we have.  Our QB went from and MVP top 5-10 QB to getting benched and DOUG WANTS TO GIVE THE GUY A PROMOTION???  WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK IS GOING ON !!!!!!!!!

34 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

Yea but Doug is not doing himself any favors if he REALLY wants to remain HC here. I mean when your job is potentially on the line and you come up with some in house promotions while the league is steadily changing, I mean come on. No wonder Lurie is a little taken back that Doug doesn’t seem to be exercising different avenues to help this team the best way possible. 
 

Now for Howie that’s another story and yes I feel bad for the lack of talent we have to coach but in reality if Doug wants to consider himself a good coach then you need to not be so stubborn and find sources outside of the organization. 

on the other hand though, if Doug really thinks this is his best chance for success - especially after the debacle this past season with all the voices on offense, I'd fight for what I thought was best.

 

No Lurie is now the real problem

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

We won the Super Bowl.

Yup.  We did.  It was a glorious day.  We are not winning another Super Bowl with the team in the disarray that we find ourselves in currently though.  So, the question is, how best to fix it.    If the response to any criticism leveled against anyone associated with that team is: But they won a Super Bowl... then we've got bigger problems.   Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl.   Trent Dilfer was a Super Bowl winning QB.  Sometimes people are just in the right place at the right time and the other pieces around them do the important stuff.  

 

My issue with Howie is two-fold... one, his drafting has sucked... and it has sucked going back quite a ways.  But two, his method of covering up for bad drafting has been to change his method.  Prior to the Super Bowl, he shopped bargain bin players, older players that were going to offer some help at a minimum salary, OR brought in higher priced mid-level free agents at reasonable salaries.  (Malcolm Jenkins was a moderately priced free agent the year he came here, as an example.  Same with Brandon Brooks.)  but, after the Super Bowl, every deal was bigger and more expensive.  He was still shopping the discount racks for the most part, but now paying premium prices.  You don't do that and expect it to not blow up in your face.

Doug, on the other hand, was surrounded by Reich, DeFilippo, and Groh.  Those 3, in their proper roles - OC, QB, and WR.... respectively offered some great collaboration.  They are all gone now and the collaborative efforts is a disaster.   It needs to be blown up to be fixed. Or we can ride this all the way to the bottom.

 

1 hour ago, metal said:

He's lucky the owner is giving him a second chance. That's pretty ludicrous and basically guarantees there will be no real change.

But he shouldn't be

If Lurie allows this plan by Doug then I agree Lurie is the problem. 

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It takes 2-3 years to build a young core from scratch, we started this year, we'll need two more years.

Which makes 2023 offseason the perfect time to add FAs once you know where you need to patch, and what FA bargain you should pursue.

I think Howie will approach the next couple offseasons like 2016, focus on becoming competitive instead of patching your way into the playoffs.

He's always been good at finding UDFAs, waiver wire SFAs and raiding PS squads, too bad his coaches couldn't recognize which players to keep the last few years.

I have no problem with the collaborative process with the right people, the strong GM model depends on the perfect GM, the strong HC model has the same issue, the collaborative model requires the right people as well, smart people who can work together and aren't power mad. I think AR needed to be chastened before being able to accept his limitations.

Pederson was fine coaching a veteran team that needed a light hand as long as he had Reich, Schwartz is a good DC for a good offensive team, that is, his style is more suited to playing with a lead when he can unleash the dogs of war (the DL). Pederson is the wrong coach for a rebuild and doesn't seem comfortable bringing in a strong OC.

I forgot that the Eagles did not have draft picks until last year.

Press Taylor was the QB coach for one of the biggest QB regressions in NFL history and Doug wants to give him a promtion???  Like he should have been fired right after the final game of the season. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  We did.  It was a glorious day.  We are not winning another Super Bowl with the team in the disarray that we find ourselves in currently though.  So, the question is, how best to fix it.    If the response to any criticism leveled against anyone associated with that team is: But they won a Super Bowl... then we've got bigger problems.   Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl.   Trent Dilfer was a Super Bowl winning QB.  Sometimes people are just in the right place at the right time and the other pieces around them do the important stuff.  

Sure.

By the idea that we made a mistake hiring Doug Pederson in the 1st place is CRAZY

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

4for4 in Early 2020- "Lurie is the real problem". 

Blog in Early 2020-  "You're crazy, Lurie is one of the best owners in the NFL".

Blog in Early 2021-  "Lurie is the real problem".

4for4 in Early 2021- 

There should be a 4for4 right again button next to like, laugh, thanks button.

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

4for4 in Early 2020- "Lurie is the real problem". 

Blog in Early 2020-  "You're crazy, Lurie is one of the best owners in the NFL".

Blog in Early 2021-  "Lurie is the real problem".

4for4 in Early 2021- 

So you admit, you are crazy

That is the worst fing plan I have ever read, literally feels like straight up troll status. 

Are we the new Cowboys?

Lurie is at fault because he oversees the entire operation.

Everyone is at fault because things are clearly broken all over the place.

But to really assign blame proportionately, you'd have to have an understanding of how all the pieces work together.  At least at this point, we don't have that.  Therefore I find it really challenging to be confident with any solution other than "clean house" and start over.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Sure.

By the idea that we made a mistake hiring Doug Pederson in the 1st place is CRAZY

Like Brett Brown for the Sixers, Doug was actually the right hire at the time.  And just like Brett, Doug is no longer the right guy for where this team is today and where it needs to go.

 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

4for4 in Early 2020- "Lurie is the real problem". 

Blog in Early 2020-  "You're crazy, Lurie is one of the best owners in the NFL".

Blog in Early 2021-  "Lurie is the real problem".

4for4 in Early 2021- 

I’ll give credit where credit’s due on this one.