Bwahahahahaha

13 minutes ago, phil77 said:

If Lurie allows this plan by Doug then I agree Lurie is the problem. 

IMO, Lurie has two options here: he can either blow it all up and fire Howie and Doug or bring them both back for one more year. 

So what are the chances we have an actual move made on Doug today vs. Lurie now saying, after meeting with DP, Howie and I are going to sit down and go over the best course moving forward which of course just drags this out even longer. 

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Sure.

By the idea that we made a mistake hiring Doug Pederson in the 1st place is CRAZY

It certainly worked out in the short run.  There's no debate about that.   And had they gotten the guy they wanted... Was it Gase?  How would that have turned out?  Not as good, I bet.

 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

So what are the chances we have an actual move made on Doug today vs. Lurie now saying, after meeting with DP, Howie and I are going to sit down and go over the best course moving forward which of course just drags this out even longer. 

Id say 100%

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

My issue with Howie is two-fold... one, his drafting has sucked... and it has sucked going back quite a ways.

Howie had three periods

2011-2012, in collaboration with AR who had grabbed veto power

2013, first year of Chip when he didn't have his people on board

2016 to now.

2011 was an awful draft, though he found Kelce in the 6th rd

2012 was a great draft, Cox #12, Kendricks #46, Curry #59, Foles #88, Kelly #153, Brown #229

2013, Lane #4, Ertz #35, Logan #67, Poyer #218

[2014 was awful, 2015 ok with Agholor, Rowe and Hicks]

2016:  Wentz #2, Seumalo #79, Vaitai #164, Mills #233, Walker #251

2017:  Barnett #14, Jones #43, Douglas #99, Hollins #118, Gerry #184

2018:  Goedert #49, Maddox #125, Sweat #130, Pryor #206, Mailata #233

2019:  Dillard #22, Sanders #53, JJAW #57

2020:  Reagor #21, Hurts #53, Taylor #103, Wallace #127, Driscoll #145, Hightower #168, Bradley #196, Watkins #200, Prince #210, Toohill #227

every player in this draft got some PT in the NFL this season, there's a chance it produces 3-4 starters down the road.

Most drafts land you 2 starters and maybe 1-2 solid reserves. People have an exaggerated valuation of draft picks, even when a team has a great draft it's often sandwiched between two meh drafts. A great draft lands you 3-4 starters, one of which is pro bowl caliber. 2012 and 2013 were those kinds of drafts, of course picking at #12 and #4 helps.

I don't like using rounds, there's a huge difference between say #68 their third rd this season, and #103 the "3rd rd" pick used on Taylor. Or between #6 and #21.

2018-19 were crippled by the Wentz tradeup and the Tate deal. Don't know if Pederson got more pull after the SB win.

One thing stands out, Howie does his best drafting in the later rounds when I suspect his HCs lose interest and it's him, scouts and position coaches (Stoutland) he trusts.

 

 

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Why even bother trying to retain Doug if you hate his initial plan? He won’t be able to attract high level candidates because he looks like a lame duck at best. 

Lurie is delusional. Just fire him if you don’t trust his recommendations. 

Because Lurie knows this is, in large part, his own doing. 

So firing Doug is an admission that he screwed up, and Im sure he feels guilty making Doug a fall guy when he knows he didnt put him in the best position

Caplan and Mosher killed Doug on their latest ITB episode.

Said Doug went into the meeting totally unprepared. He should have went in with multiple names at each coaching opening, but he didn't. Was very stubborn with his choices, especially Press Taylor.

Said it may sound like Lurie is being meddlesome, but they said when Doug's coaching choices have been so awful, what do you want Lurie to do?

13 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

Lurie is at fault because he oversees the entire operation.

Everyone is at fault because things are clearly broken all over the place.

But to really assign blame proportionately, you'd have to have an understanding of how all the pieces work together.  At least at this point, we don't have that.  Therefore I find it really challenging to be confident with any solution other than "clean house" and start over.

Amen.  When the dysfunction runs this deep... that's the only way.   This was a car wreck season.  The insurance company has come in and said, "it's a total loss."   So, they take the car to the junk yard, they will scrap it for parts and salvage whatever value they can to cover the measly check you get in return.  Meanwhile, you need to go out and get yourself a new whip.   

The insurance check would be akin to the #6 pick in the draft. 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan and Mosher killed Doug on their latest ITB episode.

Said Doug went into the meeting totally unprepared. He should have went in with multiple names at each coaching opening, but he didn't. Was very stubborn with his choices, especially Press Taylor.

Said it may sound like Lurie is being meddlesome, but they said when Doug's coaching choices have been so awful, what do you want Lurie to do?

Maybe he can let Doug have a season off to go intern at a fortune 500 company or whatever the hell they did with Howie

This is tracking the same

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

2020:  Reagor #21, Hurts #53, Taylor #103, Wallace #127, Driscoll #145, Hightower #168, Bradley #196, Watkins #200, Prince #210, Toohill #227

every player in this draft got some PT in the NFL this season, there's a chance it produces 3-4 starters down the road.

I'm going to ignore the Howie spin... it makes me dizzy, but please identify who these 3-4 starters for down the road are, based on what we actually saw during the their limited playing time this past year.

 

Do tell though... why not list Shareef Miller and Clayton Thorson amongst the picks when the HC loses interest and just relies on the scouts, etc.?   Or Elijah Qualls, or any others.   Howie wasn't 'hamstrung' by those trades.  Those were calculated risk in the price to land your franchise QB.  BUT... he compounded the lack of picks with poor free agent signings and poor drafting... and then hamstrung his franchise QB by giving him DRECK at the WR position, while his coach wants to throw the ball 65% of the time... 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Caplan and Mosher killed Doug on their latest ITB episode.

Said Doug went into the meeting totally unprepared. He should have went in with multiple names at each coaching opening, but he didn't. Was very stubborn with his choices, especially Press Taylor.

Said it may sound like Lurie is being meddlesome, but they said when Doug's coaching choices have been so awful, what do you want Lurie to do?

Maybe doug went in unprepared and the way he did cause doug really doesn’t want to be here anymore. Maybe he believes he can go elsewhere and get a HC job where he gets to pick his own staff and continue calling plays. 

Unless Lurie or Doug himself are saying this how does anyone know?

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Bwahahahahaha

Watson needs to get out of there. And if Culley gets a job before Bienemy, then it is really shameful.

THERE IT IS

Just now, RLC said:

 

Kind of surprised, but not really.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Unless Lurie or Doug himself are saying this how does anyone know?

No one knows anything... just lots of speculation.

Here we gooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

He's out.

Wowwww.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

No one knows anything... just lots of speculation.

Confirmed. He's gone.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

THERE IT IS

Thank God 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

THERE IT IS

But... did we get a draft pick?    

8 minutes ago, greend said:

Unless Lurie or Doug himself are saying this how does anyone know?

You don’t. But it’s easy to speculate that all this stuff about Doug having terrible ideas is groundwork to get the fan base prepared for the next move. 
 

Edit: and whoop there it is 

 

7 minutes ago, CaliEagle said:

Watson needs to get out of there. And if Culley gets a job before Bienemy, then it is really shameful.

Why?