2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Considering we can move back to 18-20ish and Newsome will be there... ANGER. 

 

I figure there would be. Thats the type of thinking fans have when they dont know how actual NFL teams view these players. Fans going by mocks instead of real information.

It will be funny. Thats for sure.

With Mac Jones, it's about a QB that will run their system vs future potential - I'm not that high on Jones, but I can see why Shanahan would like him.  Lance is a risk due to how raw he is and if he will pan out and at 3, it would be rich for many teams.

We are presuming that Jimmy G will staying with the Niners - there is no indication other than what they are saying. 

The real pick should be Fields, but hey, let's not go there...........

Can anyone tell me why Jamar Johnson is so hated by this game. You can literally trad down 5 times and he never comes off the board and when you finally draft him he gets a terrible  rating 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Can anyone tell me why Jamar Johnson is so hated by this game. You can literally trad down 5 times and he never comes off the board and when you finally draft him he gets a terrible  rating 

I’ve noticed that too with Johnson. I don’t get it. I’ve seen him last to the 5th round nearly routinely when i run the simulation. 

that said I’m disappointed you didn’t take a WR with pick 70. We needed a safety net in case the first two WRs didn’t pan out. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve noticed that too with Johnson. I don’t get it. I’ve seen him last to the 5th round nearly routinely when i run the simulation. 

that said I’m disappointed you didn’t take a WR with pick 70. We needed a safety net in case the first two WRs didn’t pan out. 

Weaponzzzzzz for Hurtzzzzzzzzz

This is how I feel about Julio. HOF player for sure, but he's an old 32 given in injuries and miles. His 2021 base salary is 15M and fully guaranteed. His 2022/2023 base salaries are 11.5M unguaranteed. Who is trading a 1 for that?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/04/26/2021-nfl-mock-draft-fmia-peter-king/

Wouldn't hate it if the board fell this way.  I'd rather see them take smith in this scenario, but if they get one of the two elite (and un-injured) corners or any of the top pass catchers or Sewell I think it is a win at #12.  If all of those guys are gone, I think it's a loss.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is how I feel about Julio. HOF player for sure, but he's an old 32 given in injuries and miles. His 2021 base salary is 15M and fully guaranteed. His 2022/2023 base salaries are 11.5M unguaranteed. Who is trading a 1 for that?

They wouldn’t get a first. Someone would have to overpay. If julio was coming off his 2019 campaign i think teams could try to justify it. at 32 off an injury filled season even with an uncertain draft this year which with his contract the trade couldn’t be made until June 1st so you likely wouldn’t be getting the picks for this year. 

Ridgeway and a 5th should get it done for Jones 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ridgeway and a 5th should get it done for Jones 

Probably should include JJAW they are gonna need a stud WR lined up opposite of Ridley after the trade.... 

I think Jimmy did a great job, this is spot on... especially the top of the draft.  I think he has those scenarios correct.

I do wish he identified more offensive lineman prospects later in the draft.  It seems more likely they might be able to find guys that can be developed and can eventually play at those positions in this notably "thin" draft.  Seems very unlikely late round receivers in this draft are going to be a worthy investment.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-eagles-2021-nfl-draft-board/

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Stick and pick at 12

Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama

DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama

Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama

Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina

Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon

• Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama: In Waddle's first four games before he got hurt on the opening kickoff in Game No. 5 against Tennessee, he had 25 catches for 557 yards (22.4 YPC) and 4 TDs, and was outpacing teammate DeVonta Smith. He is an explosive playmaking receiver who has been compared to Tyreek Hill, and can put points on the board in a blink. Like with Smith, there are size concerns.

• DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama: Smith had 117 catches for 1,856 yards and 23 TDs in 2020, and won the Heisman Trophy. He also had a 21.5 yards per return average on 11 punt returns, including a TD. That elite production was nothing new for him. In 2019, Smith led Alabama in receiving yards and TDs, despite playing alongside Waddle, and a pair of first round picks in Henry Ruggs and Jerry Jeudy. There are legitimate concerns about Smith's slight, 166-pound frame, but he he doesn't play small.

 

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• Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama: Surtain possesses a prototype blend of size and athleticism, to go along with legit corner polish, being the son of former 11-year pro Patrick Surtain, Sr. He is also a willing participant in the run game, and a solid tackler. Like Waddle and Smith above, he would be a slam dunk pick at 12 if he's still available.

• Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina: Like Surtain, Horn has good size, and he is a physical press corner who could match up well against the league's bigger receivers. Also like Surtain, he has NFL bloodlines, as he is the son of former NFL wide receiver Joe Horn (of cell phone celebration fame). Horn is battle tested, he's versatile, and South Carolina asked him to cover a wide variety of receivers and tight ends who will be playing in the NFL.

• Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon: Sewell at one time was considered a surefire top 5 pick. He won the Outland Trophy in 2019 for being the best lineman (offense or defense) in the country as a teenager, before opting out in 2020. For some reason, some have talked themselves out of Sewell. He'll still only be 20 years old when he's drafted, and while he is already an accomplished LT, he also has plenty of upside, at a premium position.

Draft at 12 if you can't trade back (AKA, bad scenarios)

Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan

Rashawn Slater, OT/OG, Northwestern

Alijah Vera-Tucker, OT/OG, USC

• Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan: Paye came in at No. 1 on Bruce Feldman's freaks list prior to the start of the 2020 season. While Paye has elite athletic measurables and you can very easily see him dominating matchups on film, his production in the stat sheet his first three seasons at Michigan wasn't great, as he had 11.5 sacks in 28 career games. The Eagles believe that sacks in college translate to sacks in the pros, though it's worth noting that Rashan Gary was an athletic freak with pedestrian production, and my understanding is that the Eagles had him as a potential trade-up target in the 2019 draft, when he went 12th overall to the Packers.

• Rashawn Slater, OT/OG, Northwestern: Some believe that Slater's best fit in the NFL will be at guard, which maybe would have made sense had Jason Kelce retired and Isaac Seumalo moved to center. Eagles personnel chief Andy Weidl declined to say where the Eagles view Slater in the pros. Many believe Slater is a top 10 talent in this draft, so the Eagles would have to at least consider him at 12. However, if they drafted him, would there even be a starting job waiting for him his rookie season?

• Alijah Vera-Tucker, OT/OG, USC: Vera-Tucker was a quality LG for USC before moving out to LT this season to replace 2020 first round pick Austin Jackson. The Eagles heavily value versatile offensive linemen, and with good reason, given the fact that they had an absurd number of starting OL combinations in 2020. Vera-Tucker's future in the NFL is likely at guard. He is thought of as a technician with good-not-great athleticism and strength, but who consistently simply wins his matchups.

Trade back from options from 12, or trade up options from 37

Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama

Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami

Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State

Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame

Greg Newsome, CB, Northwestern

Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech

• Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami: Phillips is a former five-star prospect (No. 1 in the nation, according to some recruiting sites) who initially enrolled at UCLA, but suffered multiple injuries, plus a moped accident that severely damaged his wrist. He actually retired at one point. Phillips would eventually transfer to Miami and return to football, missing the 2019 season. In 10 games at Miami this season, with a lot to prove, Phillips had 45 tackles (15.5 for loss), 8 sacks, 3 batted passes, and an INT. He is long, athletic, and he plays hard, and has residual injury concerns.

• Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State: Parsons is 6'3, 246 pounds, and he ran an unofficial 4.39 at Penn State's pro day. We don't know yet what Jonathan Gannon's defense will look like, but speculation is that it will look a lot like Mike Zimmer's in Minnesota. If so, the Eagles will need linebackers who are athletic in coverage, and can blitz the quarterback. Parsons can do it all. He's big, fast, he can cover, blitz, and he's solid against the run. He could make a difference in the Eagles' defense. The Eagles are not going to take him at 12, but if he somehow slid to the back end of the first round, the Eagles should should be looking to move up.

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• Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame: Owusu-Koramoah is an undersized linebacker with impressive athleticism, who made Bruce Feldman's 2020 freaks list. He could probably also play some safety if he had to. Kyle Crabbs of TheDraftNetwork described Owusu-Koramoah as "like Davion Taylor but with instincts," which I think is perfect. I think he projects as a more appealing version of Jeremy Chinn.

• Greg Newsome, CB, Northwestern: Newsome is an outside corner with good length, who had an outstanding Pro Day, running an unofficial 4.38 40, vertical jumping 40 inches, and broad jumping over 10 feet, for a relative athletic score of 9.66. His fit with the Eagles is also intriguing in that he played a lot of off coverage at Northwestern, and it is believed that corners will be asked to do the same in Jonathan Gannon's scheme in Philadelphia.

• Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech: Farley had 4 INTs and 12 pass breakups for Virginia Tech in 2019, and some believe that he would have been the best cornerback prospect in the 2021 draft, if not for significant injury concerns. If he proves to be durable, Farley has an unmatched blend of size and athleticism in this class at CB.

Stick and pick at 37

Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota

Terrace Marshall, WR, LSU

Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss

Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue

Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida

Teven Jenkins, OT/OG, Oklahoma State

Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami

Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest

Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa

Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri

Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky

Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia

• Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota: Before the start of the 2020 season, Bateman was a COVID opt out, who then opted back in and played five games for the Gophers. He was at one point not only thought of as a first-round pick, but a likely Eagles target in the first round, back when, you know, we didn't know the Eagles would go 4-11-1. Bateman's 2020 season was much like his first two seasons at Minnesota, in that he averaged just under 100 receiving yards per game. Bateman is no longer consistently being talked about as a first-round pick, and part of that is likely because he had been listed by Minnesota at 210 pounds, but as it turns out, he's only 190. So he doesn't have the good size we thought he did before. He's also not a burner, at least in comparison to some other guys in this class, but he is a good route runner who creates separation, he makes difficult body control catches, and he's a competitive runner after the catch. 

 

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• Terrace Marshall, WR, LSU: Marshall has ideal size (6'2, 205), and would probably make the most sense from a needs perspective as an X receiver to pair with Jalen Reagor as the Z. He was the third receiver in the pecking order at LSU behind Ja'Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson in LSU's offense during their championship run in 2019, but he was still productive in his own right, catching 13 touchdowns as a sophomore. In 2020, with Jefferson off to the NFL and Chase opting out for the season, Marshall had a chance to shine, which he did, catching 48 passes for 731 yards (15.2 YPC) and 10 TDs in seven games. He was averaging about seven catches for 104 yards and 1.4 TDs per game, when he too decided to opt out for the rest of the season to prepare for the NFL draft. He is a big, strong receiver with good speed for a guy his size who can beat press coverage, win contested catches, and operate both from the outside and in the slot. He also has very good hands, and rarely drops passes.

• Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss: Moore had a monster 2020 season, making 86 catches for 1,193 yards and eight TDs in just eight games. He is an explosive slot receiver who can make plays down the field, or on quick hitters as an extension of the run game. This is a loaded slot receiver draft, and the Eagles could stand to upgrade on Greg Ward, but would they take one this high?

• Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue: Moore is one of the best players in this draft from a pure "fun to watch" perspective. At 5'9, 180, he's a small receiver, but he breaks an inordinate number of tackles, and his explosiveness is obvious. In some ways he's a little reminiscent of Penn State's KJ Hamler, in that he's a small speed slot guy with durability concerns, but in my view he is a superior prospect because he has better hands. He was also incredibly productive in two years at Purdue on "per game" basis. In 20 career college games, he averaged 8.9 catches for 95.8 yards and 0.7 TDs. To note, Moore's 2019 season was cut short due to a hamstring injury.

• Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida: Toney is a former quarterback who became something of a versatile piece in the Florida offense. His numbers over his four-year career (120-1590-12 as a receiver, 66-580-2 as a runner) aren't super impressive, but he is an explosive athlete that Florida used in a variety of ways.

• Teven Jenkins, OT/OG, Oklahoma State: Jenkins has plenty of game experience both at LT and RT, and also has a couple of starts under his belt at RG. He isn't an elite athlete, but his overpowering strength has become sort of legendary in the Oklahoma State weight room. Interesting Brandon Brooks replacement candidate, with positional versatility.

• Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami: Rousseau had 15.5 sacks as a redshirt freshman in 2019, and then opted out in 2020. He's long (6'7) and gifted, but raw. He would be a high risk, high reward option. Most view Rousseau as a surefire first-round pick. We'll see. If he's there at 37, he'd probably be too enticing to pass up.

• Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest: In 2019, Basham had 57 tackles (18 for loss), 10 sacks, and three forced fumbles for Wake. He followed that up with five sacks and four(!) forced fumbles in just six games in 2020. At 6'3, 272, Basham is a thick, powerful rusher who gives off some Brandon Graham vibes, who plays on both sides, can also shift inside on obvious passing downs, and is a good run stopper. He also has a good repertoire of pass rush moves, and he's a high-energy player.

• Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa: Collins is a very intriguing player who could be a versatile piece in a creative defense at the next level, as a 6'5, 259-pound off-ball linebacker. You don't see many of those anymore, because in the NFL (and college football, for that matter) linebackers have to be able to cover more ground in the passing game than they used to. Collins is athletically gifted for his size, and he filled up the stat sheet in 2020 both as a traditional linebacker, and as a pass rusher. In 8 games, Collins had 54 tackles (7.5 for loss), 4 sacks, 4 INT (including 2 pick-sixes), 2 PBUs, and 2 forced fumbles.

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• Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri: Bolton is a good all-around linebacker prospect, who can cover and tackle well. In 2019, he filled up the stat sheet, making 103 tackles (8.5 for loss), two INTs, and seven PBUs in 12 games. In 10 games in 2020, he had 95 tackles (eight for loss), a pair of sacks, and five PBUs. Some have Bolton as a first-round prospect. I don't see that. Too many teams will be size snobs, and at 5'11, 237, Bolton could still be there at pick 37.

• Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky: Davis has great size (6'3, 234) and speed (4.47 at his pro day), who racked up 102 tackles, 1.5 sacks, and three INTs in 2020. He has been getting some first round buzz.

• Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia: Stokes is 6'1 and he ran a 4.29 40 at his pro day, so, you know, there's that. In 2020, he picked off four passes, returning two for scores. The knock on Stokes is that he is not a refined played, technique-wise, but if the Eagles like Jonathan Gannon's track record of getting defensive backs to meet their potential, then Stokes could be an interesting player worth considering because of his upside.

 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ridgeway and a 5th should get it done for Jones 

Oh come on now, it'll cost at least Ridgeway and a 4th. 😉

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I said something similar yesterday.  I'm assuming Ertz gets traded, either to move up or for an extra pick, but for the sake of it let's say he gets them a 5th.  The Eagles will have 12 pick.  This is touted as a 4 round draft.  Use those 12 picks and get 8-9 players like you mentioned.  High end starters, contributors and the future core of this team.

I don't want to hear about how amazing Howie did moving up and down rounds 5-6 adding bottom of the roster guys.

We need players who are ready to come in and either start, play significant minutes and build this team.

 

Agree we need more immediate impact players who can contribute THIS season and less depth players.  However, even though we have 11 picks, 5 of them are in the last 2 rounds.  Only pick #189 (early 6th) is really worth anything at 14.2 points on the trade value chart (yeah, it's not written in stone, just more of a guide or moving goalposts ballpark figure, but still gives a general indication of value).  The other 4 picks are all worth only 1 stinkin' point.  So if we're going to trade up back into Rounds 3 and 4 that's not enough ammo to do it.  Or if we try to trade from #37 back into the end of the 1st (BTL now has TWO picks at #27 and #31) that would probably cost us at least 1 of the 3rd rounders we have.  I don't want to give up any 2022 picks since that draft will be scouted better than this year's.  This year is an anomaly and crapshoot while next year will be better to gauge. 

What would have to happen (and this is from our POV as we have no clue who the Eagles value at this point) is that Sewell, Slater, Horn, Surtain, Waddle and Smith were all selected before our pick.  Then some team in the 14-18 range makes a good offer to move up where we at least get another 3rd Rounder.  From there players like Newsome and Moehrig are in play in that range.  Now we have some ammo to either trade back into the end of the 1st, trade back into the latter end of the 2nd, make some smaller trade ups in the 3rd to grab the player we want instead of sitting put, etc.

We have a lot of picks, but almost half of them are pretty much worthless in terms of helping us acquire another top 100-120 pick.

 

I play Fortnite and see Justin Jefferson is getting his own emote and locker bundle. Just makes me think about how much we screwed up in the draft last year lol.

8 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

I play Fortnite and see Justin Jefferson is getting his own emote and locker bundle. Just makes me think about how much we screwed up in the draft last year lol.

Did you guys hear the Eagles passed on Justin Jefferson?

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Probably should include JJAW they are gonna need a stud WR lined up opposite of Ridley after the trade.... 

And after the trade they still will

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Julio won’t bring much in a trade , he will be 33 , I don’t think he is a top 20 WO  at this point , what he have 2 TDs last year ?

He put up 771 yards, 3 TD's in 9 games and it was the first time he's missed more than 2 games in a season since 2013, he's easily an 80 - 90 catch 1100 yards 6 TD receiver if he's fit and that's more than enough to make top 20.

The thing that makes him untradeable is his contract, any team is going to suspect Atlanta is offloading a broken player and his contract is way too expensive with a $23million cap hit to take the chance on in a tight cap year. Julio and Ryan were the big hopes of Atlanta and they bet the house on them contract wise and now it's biting them in the ass.

I think they end up keeping him and cut him next year personally, the numbers still aren't great but they're a lot less ugly than this year.

Offensively I still think Atlanta could make one more run with a decent defensive draft, if they get them all back healthy their receiving corps is top 3 in the league and Gurley even on a pitch count is going to give you 7-10 TD's a year.

7 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

He put up 771 yards, 3 TD's in 9 games and it was the first time he's missed more than 2 games in a season since 2013, he's easily an 80 - 90 catch 1100 yards 6 TD receiver if he's fit and that's more than enough to make top 20.

The thing that makes him untradeable is his contract, any team is going to suspect Atlanta is offloading a broken player and his contract is way too expensive with a $23million cap hit to take the chance on in a tight cap year. Julio and Ryan were the big hopes of Atlanta and they bet the house on them contract wise and now it's biting them in the ass.

I think they end up keeping him and cut him next year personally, the numbers still aren't great but they're a lot less ugly than this year.

Offensively I still think Atlanta could make one more run with a decent defensive draft, if they get them all back healthy their receiving corps is top 3 in the league and Gurley even on a pitch count is going to give you 7-10 TD's a year.

He has no value , he is old , with a big contract , I could name 20 WOs I would rather have 

10 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

He put up 771 yards, 3 TD's in 9 games and it was the first time he's missed more than 2 games in a season since 2013, he's easily an 80 - 90 catch 1100 yards 6 TD receiver if he's fit and that's more than enough to make top 20.

The thing that makes him untradeable is his contract, any team is going to suspect Atlanta is offloading a broken player and his contract is way too expensive with a $23million cap hit to take the chance on in a tight cap year. Julio and Ryan were the big hopes of Atlanta and they bet the house on them contract wise and now it's biting them in the ass.

I think they end up keeping him and cut him next year personally, the numbers still aren't great but they're a lot less ugly than this year.

Offensively I still think Atlanta could make one more run with a decent defensive draft, if they get them all back healthy their receiving corps is top 3 in the league and Gurley even on a pitch count is going to give you 7-10 TD's a year.

I believe the team trading for him would only absorb 15 mil against the cap. Still a lot of money. 

Honestly the Falcons put themselves in the position they are with Ryan this offseason. They restructured his contract over a month ago when they could’ve dealt him and gotten out of the contract and traded him then. Especially if you were thinking about dealing julio and drafting a QB. 

i think the Falcons should trade out of 4 and stockpile picks. They need massive help in the secondary, need help along the DL and OL and could also used help at RB and LB. Unless they love fields, lance or jones i wouldn’t take a qb. And given that they restructured Ryan’s contract to be what it is next year and in 2022 seems like they weren’t all that impressed with the scouting of the QBs at the time they did that a month ago. Otherwise i don’t think they would’ve restructured his contract the way they did. 

Caplan said Ertz is going to be traded. Could be any day leading up to the draft but for sure will be traded by the end of the draft. 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Caplan said Ertz is going to be traded. Could be any day leading up to the draft but for sure will be traded by the end of the draft. 

Or sometime after the draft, or maybe never.

Just now, greend said:

Or sometime after the draft, or maybe never.

Maybe we sign Julie to have a kicker competition 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Caplan said Ertz is going to be traded. Could be any day leading up to the draft but for sure will be traded by the end of the draft. 

Ertz and 37 for the Bills pick at 30. Not sure there's a major quality difference between 30 and 37, but at least you get that 5th year option.

6 minutes ago, greend said:

Or sometime after the draft, or maybe never.

He was very definitive he won't be on the team once the draft ends so if he's wrong, he's going to be very wrong.

9 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Ertz and 37 for the Bills pick at 30. Not sure there's a major quality difference between 30 and 37, but at least you get that 5th year option.

That's a WIN trade-wise IMO. Saving the cap space is huge.